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Humble_Novice
11/15/23 12:19:18 PM
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https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-police-department-policy-ban-officers-hate-extremist-groups/

CHICAGO (CBS) -- A new policy approved by the city's civilian police oversight agency will ban Chicago police officers from participating in hate and extremist groups.

The Community Commission for Public Safety and Accountability (CCPSA) unanimously approved the new policy on Monday. The Chicago Police Department now has 60 days to respond to the policy before it officially goes into effect.

CBS 2 has reported in the past on allegations of Chicago police officers participating in right-wing anti-government extremist groups like the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys.

CPD general orders already prohibit officers from "membership in or affiliation with criminal organizations and from association with known members of criminal organizations."

The change would widen the net to preclude members and participants in criminal groups from becoming members of CPD. It would add "biased" organizations to the list too.

Such "biased" groups would include any organization that "advocates for systematic illegal prejudice, oppression, or discrimination, including disparate treatment, against an individual or group on the basis of any protected class under federal, state, and local law, including race, color, sex, gender identity, age, religion, disability, national origin, ancestry, sexual orientation, marital status, parental status, military status, source of income, credit history, criminal record, or criminal history."

It would also include any group that "commits or advocates for acts of unlawful force or violence to deny others their rights under the Constitution of the United States or the State of Illinois, or to achieve goals that are political, religious, discriminatory, or ideological in nature" or "commits or advocates for acts of terrorism or others activities which seek to overthrow, destroy, or alter the form of government of the United States by unconstitutional means."

The policy also reminds officers they are prohibited from using social media to post content "that is disparaging to a person or group based on race, color, sex, gender identity, age, religion, disability, national origin, ancestry, sexual orientation, marital status, parental status, military status, source of income, credit history, criminal record, criminal history, or any other protected class." That would include liking, following, sharing, or otherwise redistributing such content "with the intent to promote, support, or otherwise endorse a criminal or biased organization or its activities."

Cities like Washington, D.C., Dallas, and New York have similar policies on the books.

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RchHomieQuanChi
11/15/23 12:20:33 PM
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The fact that this needs to be a thing

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EmilyTheCEman
11/15/23 12:20:54 PM
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The fact that this needed to become a thing tells you the Chicago Police Department is a fucking nightmare.

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LearntoRead
11/15/23 12:21:33 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
The fact that this needs to be a thing

This is indeed another, "this wasn't already a rule?" moment.
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DipDipDiver
11/15/23 12:22:40 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
The fact that this needs to be a thing
It should be a thing, what's confusing is that it wasn't
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Southernfatman
11/15/23 12:23:14 PM
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I wonder how certain folks will say this is actually a bad thing.

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NoxObscuras
11/15/23 12:23:18 PM
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EmilyTheCEman posted...
The fact that this needed to become a thing tells you the Chicago Police Department is a fucking nightmare.
But the Chicago Police did it for the Lord, they did it for Chicago

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cjsdowg
11/15/23 12:23:26 PM
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The fact police have to be told not to join hate groups says it all

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RchHomieQuanChi
11/15/23 12:25:18 PM
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DipDipDiver posted...
It should be a thing, what's confusing is that it wasn't

Oh for sure, but it's just sad that enough law enforcers are involved with hate groups to the point where we need laws like this.

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name_unknown
11/15/23 12:25:42 PM
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Humble_Novice posted...
Cities like Washington, D.C., Dallas, and New York have similar policies on the books.

No LA? Also outside Miami. FL would never consider such a law.
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BlueAnnihilator
11/15/23 12:27:02 PM
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How tf was that not already a thing?

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11/15/23 1:02:09 PM
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PissedOffMonk
11/15/23 2:03:52 PM
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Why do they only name right wing groups? Are there no left wing hate groups or is it okay to join those while on the force?
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ItsNotA2Mer
11/15/23 2:08:29 PM
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InB4 "A few BaD aPpLeS"!

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AldousIsDead
11/15/23 2:21:36 PM
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PissedOffMonk posted...
Why do they only name right wing groups? Are there no left wing hate groups or is it okay to join those while on the force?
Cannot tell if serious or not.

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TheGoldenEel
11/15/23 2:22:51 PM
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Feels like a first amendment lawsuit waiting to happen tbh

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superbot400
11/15/23 2:24:08 PM
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What the ****

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MC_BatCommander
11/15/23 2:24:52 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Feels like a first amendment lawsuit waiting to happen tbh

First amendment doesn't protect you from being fired for being a bigot

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Murphiroth
11/15/23 2:25:19 PM
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PissedOffMonk posted...
Why do they only name right wing groups? Are there no left wing hate groups or is it okay to join those while on the force?

lmao whose alt?

darkprince in shambles at this news.
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CableZL
11/15/23 2:27:05 PM
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New policy

so if they found out they were in hate groups prior to this... they would just do nothing?

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Umbreon
11/15/23 2:28:32 PM
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Murphiroth posted...


darkprince in shambles at this news.


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UnholyMudcrab
11/15/23 2:29:04 PM
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They've already joined a hate group by being part of the Chicago PD.

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brestugo
11/15/23 2:30:43 PM
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PissedOffMonk posted...
Why do they only name right wing groups? Are there no left wing hate groups or is it okay to join those while on the force?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/dfc82eff.jpg

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TheGoldenEel
11/15/23 2:31:32 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
First amendment doesn't protect you from being fired for being a bigot
just feels super vague, especially for a government position.

what does it mean to join a group? Who is determining when the language of the group becomes hate?

I dont see how this can be enforced at all

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hmnut7
11/15/23 2:34:31 PM
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The Chicago Police department was founded in 1835. So for almost 200 years, even after the Civil War, Civil Rights and a Black President (from Chicago)... it was just this week they said "you know, maybe our officers shouldn't join hate groups"

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ItsNotA2Mer
11/15/23 2:34:46 PM
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PissedOffMonk posted...
Why do they only name right wing groups? Are there no left wing hate groups

Is this going to be another one of those times where I feel completely stupid for not knowing if something is sarcasm without the /s?
I just can't tell any more.

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MC_BatCommander
11/15/23 2:35:25 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
just feels super vague, especially for a government position.

what does it mean to join a group? Who is determining when the language of the group becomes hate?

I dont see how this can be enforced at all

There is a wealth of information on hate groups in the US, and members are usually outed by attending public events or on social media. Also some hate groups just have member rosters.

There is a non profit org dedicated to documenting hate groups

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_designated_by_the_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_as_hate_groups

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wackyteen
11/15/23 2:39:51 PM
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If it doesn't come with firing, loss of allowances and benefits, fines, and jail time for violation of the policy, it means nothing

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hmnut7
11/15/23 2:43:31 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
just feels super vague, especially for a government position.

what does it mean to join a group? Who is determining when the language of the group becomes hate?

I dont see how this can be enforced at all
The question of when "a group" should officially classified as "hate group" can be debated.

But cities, states and federal organizations largely in conjunction with the southern poverty law center (the primary experts on hate groups) have very detailed listing of "existing" hate groups.

So if a police officer joins a bowling team and they sit around telling jokes about how mexicans don't bowl well and suck at math is that a hate group? Probably not. If however a Police Officer joins "the Proud Boys" a recognized hate group from Illinois or "We are Change" a recognized hate group in Chicago, it's not a real debate.

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brestugo
11/15/23 2:43:54 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
just feels super vague, especially for a government position.

what does it mean to join a group? Who is determining when the language of the group becomes hate?

I dont see how this can be enforced at all

Association, affiliation and membership can be established by texts, emails, documents, phone calls, paraphernalia (including tattoos) and other ways, including cell phone GPS data. Law enforcement does this all the time with gangs and the mafia.

If the FBI & DHS consider a group a hate group, the other levels of government do too, for purposes of prosecution and sentence enhancement.

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NoxObscuras
11/15/23 2:45:14 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
just feels super vague, especially for a government position.

what does it mean to join a group? Who is determining when the language of the group becomes hate?

I dont see how this can be enforced at all
Most hate groups are on law enforcement's radar though. So like an officer being part the Proud Boys, that would be a no go now for Chicago PD.

This is just an extension of what was announced in October:

https://news.wttw.com/2023/10/24/top-cop-vows-rid-chicago-police-department-officers-tied-proud-boys-oath-keepers

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EmilyTheCEman
11/15/23 2:47:39 PM
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PissedOffMonk posted...
Why do they only name right wing groups? Are there no left wing hate groups or is it okay to join those while on the force?

Dont left wing hate groups usually hate just shitty people based on their beliefs and actions?

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AnsestralRecall
11/15/23 2:49:41 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
They've already joined a hate group by being part of the Chicago PD.

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deanshow
11/15/23 2:51:10 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
The fact that this needs to be a thing


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ToteAll
11/15/23 2:51:58 PM
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PissedOffMonk posted...
Why do they only name right wing groups? Are there no left wing hate groups or is it okay to join those while on the force?

There's definetly left leaning hate groups, but the radical left is nearly non existant in the US. Well, the left entirely.
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A_Good_Boy
11/15/23 2:54:51 PM
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Radical right wing hate group: "we need to arm up and protect our nation from minorities"

Radical left wing hate group: "We need to arm up and protect ourselves from radical right wing hate groups."

Chuds: "Both just want the same thing. How can you even tell which is which?"

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hmnut7
11/15/23 4:31:22 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Radical right wing hate group: "we need to arm up and protect our nation from minorities"

Radical left wing hate group: "We need to arm up and protect ourselves from radical right wing hate groups."

Chuds: "Both just want the same thing. How can you even tell which is which?"
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ToteAll
11/15/23 7:24:01 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Radical left wing hate group: "We need to arm up and protect ourselves from radical right wing hate groups."

That wouldn't be a radical left wing hate group, no.
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DnDer
11/15/23 7:33:15 PM
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DnDer
11/15/23 7:43:28 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Feels like a first amendment lawsuit waiting to happen tbh

It's my understanding there are rules at the federal level that prevent federal employees from having certain kinds of speech or organizational ties that would normally be considered a constraint on their free speech, if they were any other citizens. But even a counter monkey at the USPS is a "government actor," and that puts them in a position where they're not allowed to have those associations or that speech because it could look like the government was endorsing it.

I would guess states have (or should have) a similar set of restrictions.

Someone who's worked at the state level would need to correct or confirm me on this, though.

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Forty_Niners
11/15/23 8:02:26 PM
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Republicans are incensed.

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MTRodaba2468
11/15/23 8:06:19 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
The fact that this needs to be a thing
This.

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Raiden2909
11/15/23 8:07:04 PM
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Can... They expand this nation wide
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ItsNotA2Mer
11/15/23 8:34:39 PM
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Forty_Niners posted...
Republicans are incensed.

Only woke hippies use incense, obviously.
/s

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