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epik_fail1
11/13/23 5:57:52 PM
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Discuss

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Irony
11/13/23 5:58:13 PM
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No because turn-based and action have been around for the exact same amount of time

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R1masher
11/13/23 5:58:40 PM
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Is chess outdated?

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Trumble
11/13/23 5:58:52 PM
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No; I much prefer it to action RPGs.

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UnholyMudcrab
11/13/23 5:58:58 PM
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Bruh, the biggest RPG of the year is turn-based

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DepreceV2
11/13/23 5:59:11 PM
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No. There is still a strong audience for it which means its not outdated. Its that simple. Sure it can be innovated on like anything but if people keep playing it, then its not outdated.

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archizzy
11/13/23 5:59:15 PM
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Not at all. Its still my preferred RPG. its what I grew up on and fell in love with. Dont get me wrong I enjoy action as well. But turn based will always be my first love.

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LSGW_Zephyra
11/13/23 5:59:48 PM
#8:


R1masher posted...
Is chess outdated?

Yes but that's beside the point

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trivialbeing
11/13/23 6:00:01 PM
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depends on how its done IMO

three or four characters standing in a horizontal line facing three or four enemies also just standing directly in front of them in a horizontal line definitely is outdated
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Cruciferous
11/13/23 6:00:34 PM
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Good reminder that Dragon Quest is still the king of RPGs in Japan and it's battle system has not changed much since the first game (basically)

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a-c-a-b
11/13/23 6:00:39 PM
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Fuck no.

I still love playing turn-based RPGs and always will.

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Illuminoius
11/13/23 6:03:08 PM
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not at all, and the notion that they are is pretty stupid
most of them are too simple and too easy, and just throwing in action commands or some convoluted "hit the weakness" system doesn't really do much to make them more complex or anything, despite what people will say

i just want these games to have encounters dangerous enough to justify using and experimenting with the options in my toolkit. grandia has a great battle system but there's very little decision-making when you can just do the same stuff every time. mario rpgs have timing as a mechanic and while it can be fun, there isn't enough variety to the attacks you dodge and sometimes the games can feel like they drag on a bit due to them
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ablegator
11/13/23 6:03:43 PM
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R1masher posted...
Is chess outdated?
Truth hurts.

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epik_fail1
11/13/23 6:04:32 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Bruh, the biggest RPG of the year is turn-based

I know, but I keep hearing people say that. Not to mention Sea of Stars being popular and Mario rpg's remake coming soon

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Cemith
11/13/23 6:05:29 PM
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Not at all.

It can be modulated like with SMT Press Turn and Persona One More's.

Pokemon is also just as fun now as it was 20 years ago for better or worse

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Shishiwakamaru
11/13/23 6:07:36 PM
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Not necessarily

The turn based battles are a lot of fun in Paper Mario

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epik_fail1
11/13/23 6:07:57 PM
#18:


Illuminoius posted...
not at all, and the notion that they are is pretty stupid
most of them are too simple and too easy, and just throwing in action commands or some convoluted "hit the weakness" system doesn't really do much to make them more complex or anything, despite what people will say

i just want these games to have encounters dangerous enough to justify using and experimenting with the options in my toolkit. grandia has a great battle system but there's very little decision-making when you can just do the same stuff every time. mario rpgs have timing as a mechanic and while it can be fun, there isn't enough variety to the attacks you dodge and sometimes the games can feel like they drag on a bit due to them

I think Persona and smt is great when it comes to weaknesses and resistances

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StephenYap3
11/13/23 6:08:10 PM
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No, but I do wish some of its traditional elements (random encounters, Mana pretty much not restorable without relying on inns, etc.) were addressed to in this day and age.

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boxoto
11/13/23 6:08:19 PM
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I think it depends on implementation.

like, if it's your average turn-based RPG, that makes no consideration for stuff like placement, distance, terrain, etc., and all you do is scroll down a menu, then it can feel antiquated.

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ChocoboMogALT
11/13/23 6:09:15 PM
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Pokemon is plenty deep enough to stay relevant while still being incredibly basic.

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Roachmeat
11/13/23 6:12:04 PM
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'No'

If anything, because of games like 'Wasteland 2'. I'd love to see other franchises take at least one shot at making a turn-based game that utilizes height or cover.

trivialbeing posted...
three or four characters standing in a horizontal line facing three or four enemies..is outdated

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Illuminoius
11/13/23 6:35:50 PM
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epik_fail1 posted...
I think Persona and smt is great when it comes to weaknesses and resistances
they're probably the worst at it and it's a main reason why they're both so easy
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Ivynn
11/13/23 6:36:18 PM
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No. It can be done right and be fun.

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GunmaN1905
11/13/23 6:37:23 PM
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It's a perfectly fine genre, not for everyone.

I personally don't like it, for example back in the day FFXII's gambit system was great.
I wish more RPGs used something similar.

If X, then Y with priority order of those commands.
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R1masher
11/13/23 6:41:01 PM
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LSGW_Zephyra posted...
Yes but that's beside the point

its not outdated, also its a turn based game role playing war

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BignutzisBack
11/13/23 6:41:50 PM
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A turn-based game is about to win game of the year lol

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harley2280
11/13/23 6:42:04 PM
#28:


StephenYap3 posted...
No, but I do wish some of its traditional elements (random encounters, Mana pretty much not restorable without relying on inns, etc.) were addressed to in this day and age.
Neither of those are an issue in this day and age.

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The_Popo
11/13/23 6:43:16 PM
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Not outdated. Just an alternative RPG style at this point, rather than the de facto.

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FlyEaglesFly24
11/13/23 6:57:49 PM
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Baldurs Gate 3 is fantastic, as was Xcom 2.

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DrizztLink
11/13/23 7:23:37 PM
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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Baldurs Gate 3 is fantastic, as was Xcom 2.
Turn based needs some depth to it to get me these days.

Like Divinity, BG3, Solasta, they all do turn based but with something more in positioning and environment and whatnot.

XCOM as well but I haven't actually played that one.

Meanwhile, turn based that's just "my four dudes wait on this line to stand and deliver to your four dudes waiting on that line" is gonna need a lot to be as interesting.

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NoxObscuras
11/13/23 7:25:44 PM
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No, but it needs more modern elements. I love IPs that manage to put a fun new spin on classic turn based fighting systems. Because who says turn based RPG's have to stay the same?

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ArsGoetia
11/13/23 7:26:35 PM
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turn based was never good
it just held you hostage if you grew up in the 90s and wanted to play big name RPGs
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Revisited
11/13/23 7:28:00 PM
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Persona 5 was still super fun, so the problem lies with those other games. Maybe don't be boring like dq with a bland as possible turn based system and actually have some style like persona.

Because just simply making action rpg isn't the answer. SE's garbage games like ff 15/16 and the 7 remake travesty are some of the worst action rpgs I've ever tried, so it's not the system it's how you use it.
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StephenYap3
11/13/23 10:55:36 PM
#36:


harley2280 posted...
Neither of those are an issue in this day and age.
To each their own.

I do wish all RPGs forward would let me see enemies so that I can choose to engage battle against them or avoid them, the latter especially if my party about to kick the bucket and risk losing all of my hours-load of progress on a Game Over.

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PraetorXyn
11/13/23 11:05:07 PM
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No. I prefer turn based combat when Im controlling a party, and action based combat when Im controlling a single character.

I would also add that Id like to see a game with a toggle that switches between on screen encounters and random ones. On screen encounters are ideal in every situation besides grinding, in which case they suck. Its vastly preferable to just be able to walk back and forth in a line to spawn more enemies for grinding than it is to have to waste time exiting the area and re-entering it to respawn the small number of fixed encounters you probably actually care about.

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harley2280
11/16/23 3:21:24 PM
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StephenYap3 posted...
To each their own.

I do wish all RPGs forward would let me see enemies so that I can choose to engage battle against them or avoid them, the latter especially if my party about to kick the bucket and risk losing all of my hours-load of progress on a Game Over.
I'm not saying it wasn't an issue; I'm saying most turn based RPGs stopped doing that stuff.

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harley2280
11/16/23 3:23:03 PM
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PraetorXyn posted...
No. I prefer turn based combat when Im controlling a party, and action based combat when Im controlling a single character.

I would also add that Id like to see a game with a toggle that switches between on screen encounters and random ones. On screen encounters are ideal in every situation besides grinding, in which case they suck. Its vastly preferable to just be able to walk back and forth in a line to spawn more enemies for grinding than it is to have to waste time exiting the area and re-entering it to respawn the small number of fixed encounters you probably actually care about.
Dragon Quest 11 does something close to this. The 2D mode has random encounters, but the 3D model doesn't.

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Jupiter
11/16/23 3:23:41 PM
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a-c-a-b posted...
Fuck no.

I still love playing turn-based RPGs and always will.


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Rai_Jin
11/16/23 3:41:46 PM
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most could take inspiration from Path of Exile for example, needs more depth.

Getting an extra turn for hitting weakness is not exactly depth either.

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Solo_Wing
11/16/23 3:47:05 PM
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I've always thought it was stupid ever since psx days. Like, why would you and the enemy stand there and wait for one another to punch each other in the face? At least with srpgs your positioning, elevation and environment played a big role on how fights go

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Zelduh
11/16/23 3:49:48 PM
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Turn-based RPGs are some of the only games still enjoyable to play these days
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supervaan
11/16/23 3:58:53 PM
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outdated? nah, but I think some of the jrpgs could have better mechanics for fights (have enemies use the mechanics you can use) and struggle with balancing in the mid to late game with bosses.

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Cobra1010
11/16/23 4:07:21 PM
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When done right, turn based is more fun than the average hack and slash damage sponge.

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PraetorXyn
11/16/23 5:24:20 PM
#47:


harley2280 posted...
Dragon Quest 11 does something close to this. The 2D mode has random encounters, but the 3D model doesn't.
Im aware, but the way that works is kind of iffy. My understanding is that you basically travel back in time to a certain checkpoint when you switch and then you can basically play through the game to get back to where you were. This can be repeated infinitely to dupe stuff, etc. For now at least, Im trying to avoid that as I dont want the chests I opened already to be closed again.

Im doing a Full Draconian playthrough of it, almost at the end of act 1. I farmed 99 of every seed because the games hard with Full Draconian, and I thought I might need them in Act 2. So Im just taking a break before I figure out what I want to duplicate before I talk to the old man in Arboria and continue the game.

In DQ specifically, you only really want to grind metal enemies, and DQXI gives you a way to infinitely spawn them with Electro Light, so there would be little point to random battle grinding there anyway.

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HannibalBarca3
11/16/23 5:31:34 PM
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Depends on what type of turn based you're talking about. BG3 is turn based but it differs greatly from the traditional Final Fantasy combat of four guys standing in a row taking turns whacking each other. Likewise that differs from the style of combat in the original fallouts and even games like Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous.

While I don't mind the old school FF style of combat I think games like BG3 and the DoS series are the future of turn based combat.

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harley2280
11/16/23 5:36:14 PM
#49:


PraetorXyn posted...
Im aware, but the way that works is kind of iffy.
It is fairly wonky, but it was the only example I could think of.

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ItsNotA2Mer
11/16/23 5:36:27 PM
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Considering Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth is my most anticipated title for 2024, no. Turn based is still great.

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