Current Events > We (Sweden) still aren't a NATO member.

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ShadowLake
11/13/23 3:43:43 PM
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It has been 18 months since our former (!) PM submitted the papers and nothing seems to be happening. Turkey and Hungary still havent approved us.

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leafsRULE
11/13/23 3:44:19 PM
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gubmint move slow

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Charged151
11/13/23 3:46:58 PM
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Best of luck Sweden!

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MabusIncarnate
11/13/23 3:47:11 PM
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Give it about 10 days and you won't have to worry about the turkey anymore.

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ShadowLake
11/13/23 5:01:02 PM
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leafsRULE posted...
gubmint move slow
Delibarate obstruction.

Charged151 posted...
Best of luck Sweden!
Thanks!

MabusIncarnate posted...
Give it about 10 days and you won't have to worry about the turkey anymore.
lol

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Kradek
11/13/23 5:03:52 PM
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leafsRULE posted...
gubmint move slow

In this case it's specifically Turkey preventing it from happening. I thought I heard not too long ago that they decided to stop getting in the way, however it seems that's not the case.

I respect the EU for having an "all or nothing" mentality because it means every voice is valued, the unfortunate consequences is any one asshole with a personal grudge can also stop something that the rest of the group agrees with.


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Zwijn
11/13/23 5:08:00 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7a2edf46.jpg
I looked out of my hotel window in Sweden and saw this weird cat. Are all your cats this weird?
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Kradek
11/13/23 5:12:12 PM
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Zwijn posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7a2edf46.jpg
I looked out of my hotel window in Sweden and saw this weird cat. Are all your cats this weird?

That mailbox is far weirder than that cat

/American

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rodu_jr
11/13/23 5:20:05 PM
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Zwijn posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7a2edf46.jpg
I looked out of my hotel window in Sweden and saw this weird cat. Are all your cats this weird?
looks like a normal tabby
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Zwijn
11/13/23 5:20:56 PM
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rodu_jr posted...
looks like a normal tabby
Why is it waiting for the bus?
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rodu_jr
11/13/23 5:30:00 PM
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Zwijn posted...
Why is it waiting for the bus?
can't afford a car?
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Trumble
11/13/23 5:31:23 PM
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Kradek posted...
In this case it's specifically Turkey preventing it from happening. I thought I heard not too long ago that they decided to stop getting in the way, however it seems that's not the case.

I respect the EU for having an "all or nothing" mentality because it means every voice is valued, the unfortunate consequences is any one asshole with a personal grudge can also stop something that the rest of the group agrees with.
Seems like the kind of case that could be addressed by requiring a significant supermajority (80%? 90%? Maybe even "one against at most"?) without needing outright 100%.

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Solar_Crimson
11/13/23 5:31:59 PM
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Zwijn posted...
Why is it waiting for the bus?
Because unlike here in the States, the EU actually bolsters its public transportation.

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Kradek
11/13/23 5:49:05 PM
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Trumble posted...
Seems like the kind of case that could be addressed by requiring a significant supermajority (80%? 90%? Maybe even "one against at most"?) without needing outright 100%.

That is the logical conclusion, however we circle back to the EU's mission being that every member agrees on something before moving forward, which is the ultimate form of having a valued voice.

Not trying to be difficult or needlessly repetitive, just saying it's the best idea that can be thwarted by the worst actors very easily. Very conflicting.

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vycebrand2
11/13/23 5:53:23 PM
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I find it odd Sweden isnt already in NATO. Should have happened decades ago. They qualify just by location

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Bat178
11/13/23 6:04:58 PM
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Finland are, and you guys don't have a land border with Russia.

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Alteres
11/13/23 6:08:01 PM
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why the fuck are people talking about the eu?

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Kradek
11/13/23 6:11:04 PM
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Alteres posted...
why the fuck are people talking about the eu?

Damn, that's my bad on that.


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Zwijn
11/14/23 12:56:03 AM
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rodu_jr posted...
can't afford a car?
Everyone was driving electric cars like Tesla and Polestar there, it could afford one. It just chooses to rely on others like the asshole it is.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a6433b9a.jpg
Here was another cat on that same street, who chose to walk instead of bolstering their economy by buying a car. Doomed nation.

Also your icecream industry is racist af.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3bc4965a.jpg
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ModernPost
11/14/23 12:56:56 AM
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Consider yourself lucky.

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ShadowLake
11/14/23 10:56:46 AM
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Zwijn posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7a2edf46.jpg
I looked out of my hotel window in Sweden and saw this weird cat. Are all your cats this weird?
Our cats are polite and clever. Waiting for the bus like a good boy/girl.

Also your icecream industry is racist af.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3bc4965a.jpg

^ You should have heard the debate when they released a liquorice version which added Black to the name.

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Zwijn
11/14/23 11:08:03 AM
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ShadowLake posted...
Our cats are polite and clever. Waiting for the bus like a good boy/girl.

Also your icecream industry is racist af.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3bc4965a.jpg

^ You should have heard the debate when they released a liquorice version which added Black to the name.
Didnt see that one but man this one was delicious
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bae30353.jpg
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TurtleInFreedom
11/14/23 11:12:36 AM
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I mean if its been filed it'll probably pass once powers change in these countries or if they feel like they milked enough political capital from the approval process.
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Funkydog
11/14/23 11:18:03 AM
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I thought Turkey had ceased its opposition to Sweden joining, or have they found 'new' problems? Or just being intentionally slow.

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Sahel
11/14/23 11:22:44 AM
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vycebrand2 posted...
I find it odd Sweden isnt already in NATO. Should have happened decades ago. They qualify just by location
Sweden has been stubbornly neutral to almost everything for 200 years. Even toward World War II.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_neutrality
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/sweden-ends-200-years-of-military-neutrality-joins-finland-in-seeking-nato-membership

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Foppe
11/14/23 11:30:42 AM
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Sweden have always helped NATO, even when it resulted in Swedish deaths.
Like the Catalina affair.

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ShadowLake
11/14/23 1:06:46 PM
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Zwijn posted...
Didnt see that one but man this one was delicious
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bae30353.jpg
They eventually removed it. Glad you found yummy ice-cream tho. Which city/cities did you visit?

Funkydog posted...
I thought Turkey had ceased its opposition to Sweden joining, or have they found 'new' problems? Or just being intentionally slow.
Now they seem to be down to being intentionally slow.

Foppe posted...
Sweden have always helped NATO, even when it resulted in Swedish deaths.
Like the Catalina affair.
Yeah, so it is time for them to let us in.

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MrMojoRising
11/14/23 1:07:47 PM
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Why would you want to be? It sucks

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Foppe
11/16/23 2:53:01 AM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
Give it about 10 days and you won't have to worry about the turkey anymore.
Hungary is the big NATO-blocker now.

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boomgetchopped3
11/16/23 3:05:57 AM
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I find this topic to be informative, cute, and entertaining all at once
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Zwijn
11/16/23 3:11:22 AM
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ShadowLake posted...
They eventually removed it. Glad you found yummy ice-cream tho. Which city/cities did you visit?
I did a Canoetrip in the lakes around Gustavsfors. Took a boat from Germany to Denmark, drove to Oslo where I stayed for two days and then drove on to Sweden. After a week of mosquito hell on the water then spent a day in Trollhttan and a day in Malm. Nice cities, nice food and nice nature, especially if youre used to Dutch environments. Will go again, and Im not just saying that because of your Norrlands Guld beer and Estrella chips.
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majin_nemesis
11/16/23 4:24:58 AM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
Give it about 10 days and you won't have to worry about the turkey anymore.
why? what's going on with Turkey?
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spikethedevil
11/16/23 4:51:57 AM
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majin_nemesis posted...
why? what's going on with Turkey?

Woooooshhh.

Think what month it is and then think about American holidays.

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Karovorak
11/16/23 5:01:19 AM
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Foppe posted...
Hungary is the big NATO-blocker now.

Hungary is just trying to take most out of it, because Turkey is also trying to profit from a simple "yes".

They are pure opportunists, but they don't want to be the last, because they know that they don't have the value of Turkey, and are in a much weaker position.

You can be sure that as soon as Turkey is approving it for real (in a legal sense), Hungary is going to hurry up to approve it a bit before them.

They are just the brat who cries around "if he gets something, I also want something", act as if this were some "negotiation", and hope to get some crumbs so they shut up.

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majin_nemesis
11/16/23 5:05:14 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Woooooshhh.

Think what month it is and then think about American holidays.
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oh you are talking about Turkey the animal not the country oh okay
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spikethedevil
11/16/23 5:14:22 AM
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majin_nemesis posted...
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oh you are talking about Turkey the animal not the country oh okay

Hence him saying THE Turkey. Also I didnt make the joke, I was just explaining it.

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Foppe
11/16/23 10:47:28 AM
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And Turkey decided to delay anything related to it for a week.

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