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Overall, I think the biggest thing with Marvels is that it was fun. Was it deep? No. Was it essential? No. Was it a top tier MCU project? No.

However, it is what so many MCU projects failed to be this phase, that being fun. They kinda lowkey remembered that at the end of the day, superheroes are a license to have silly stories, silly characters, and nonsense in the world. Ant-Man used to be like that before Quantumania. Thor Ragnarok was silly and fun and I think it's the best Thor film.

I think it is smart for Marvel to hitch their wagon to Kamala Khan. She is a fun character who loves the idea of superheroes and loves BEING a superhero. You can have her learn the pitfalls of it along the way while also still just being a fan of the whole idea of super powers and using those powers for good. She reminds me in a lot of ways of Spider-Man which is obviously a good thing.

I liked that Brie Larson got a bit more opportunities to flex the character of Captain Marvel and again, be more fun. Her characterization in the MCU so far has been so serious and maudlin. I do like that the movie explains why she maybe became this serious character and why she maybe tries a little too hard to be... I dunno, like Captain America? Let her have character, express some fun and BE heroic, not JUST strong.

The villain was not very good. They tried to justify her actions but she is not well written nor is she even really a "threat". Realistically she is a threat only because of the fact that none of the heroes can use their powers as effectively as they would like. It's more of a convenient way to include the Skrulls and the Kree and their whole war rather than being a good foil for our heroes.

It often felt like they had maybe 70% of the film all nailed down but had no idea how to fill the other 30% to transition between the ideas, thus why it felt sometimes like the film was just a throughway from one set piece to another, because I think with rewrites and whatnot, that's exactly what happened.

Writer - "Ohhh wouldn't it be cool to have Captain Marvel explain her failure and the reason the planet was dying? Like, it would totally justify why her character became kinda surly and grim, cause even with all her power she still failed"

Writer 2 - "I love it. When do we have that happen though? Doesn't seem to make sense given all the action happening and whatnot"

Writer - "I dunno... why if they escape the battle at some point and randomly crash land on some empty planet?"

Writer 2 - "Why would that be their escape? Like, their computer likely could just send them back to the closest portal to Earth right?"

Writer - "Meh, whatever, nobody will give a shit"

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

However, it is what so many MCU projects failed to be this phase, that being fun.

People takes themselves too seriously and won't be able to do this. Suspension of disbelief is something people aren't capable of doing.

Its a fun and flawed movie. I like ms marvel but damn, marvel should not do this. Her show is the lowest viewed and her movie is about to be the lowest box office. Sadly muslim teenage girl just doesnt sell. The movie is fine. Nothing amazing but doesnt deserve the dunking its catching. I hope all 3 leads continue to be major parts of the mcu but dont necessarily need to be in a movie together as leads. Ms marvel has good goofy energy but i hope she is not in avengers 5 and in her own shows+ other teenager projects

Blue_Popo posted...

Its a fun and flawed movie. I like ms marvel but damn, marvel should not do this. Her show is the lowest viewed and her movie is about to be the lowest box office. Sadly muslim teenage girl just doesnt sell. The movie is fine. Nothing amazing but doesnt deserve the dunking its catching. I hope all 3 leads continue to be major parts of the mcu but dont necessarily need to be in a movie together as leads. Ms marvel has good goofy energy but i hope she is not in avengers 5 and in her own shows+ other teenager projects

I disagree on a couple points. I definitely think she should be involved in Avengers, even if she is coordinating ground efforts as other heroes fight Kang. I also think her being one of the big parts of a "Young Avengers" is smart. Again, she has a lot of similarities with Spider-Man and that enthusiasm can be the glue that holds a Young Avengers project together, IMO.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

I disagree on a couple points. I definitely think she should be involved in Avengers, even if she is coordinating ground efforts as other heroes fight Kang. I also think her being one of the big parts of a "Young Avengers" is smart. Again, she has a lot of similarities with Spider-Man and that enthusiasm can be the glue that holds a Young Avengers project together, IMO.

She is great and I want her to continue being a part of the mcu be it her own series, her own movie, team us or anything else but I want avengers 5 to be teenager free, lets have an avengers team of adults

Blue_Popo posted...

She is great and I want her to continue being a part of the mcu be it her own series, her own movie, team us or anything else but I want avengers 5 to be teenager free, lets have an avengers team of adults

I assume Young Avengers will help with ground level threats in uh... whichever Kang movie goes second.

Is her friend in this movie? The one who dressed like Marty McFly on the show?

Sariana21 posted...

Is her friend in this movie? The one who dressed like Marty McFly on the show?

Nah

How are you defining "essential" in this context? I agree with most of your points ITT, but just curious.

CableZL posted...

How are you defining "essential" in this context? I agree with most of your points ITT, but just curious.

If you were to miss this completely, I don't think you would be lost for any other MCU projects. Maybe with the stinger POTENTIALLY, but however that comes back up they will recap it at that point.

It is not essential at all.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

If you were to miss this completely, I don't think you would be lost for any other MCU projects. Maybe with the stinger POTENTIALLY, but however that comes back up they will recap it at that point.

It is not essential at all.

I think that's fair. I think (or hope) Marvel is starting to realize the amount of homework they were requiring of the audience for these movies is piling up. I feel they did a good job in this movie recapping the stories of each character. Some important things happened in this movie, but hopefully they'll continue doing the recap in future movies.

Yep, that was the same thing a lot of reviewers said. That it had some flaws (villain, some over the top silliness) but overall it was a ton of fun and they enjoyed it.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

I think it is smart for Marvel to hitch their wagon to Kamala Khan. She is a fun character who loves the idea of superheroes and loves BEING a superhero. You can have her learn the pitfalls of it along the way while also still just being a fan of the whole idea of super powers and using those powers for good. She reminds me in a lot of ways of Spider-Man which is obviously a good thing.

Everything she's in seems to bomb horrifically so I don't know if Disney shares your enthusiasm. Whenever I see people talk about her on CE she always gets glowing reviews so the disconnect is jarring.

CableZL posted...

I think that's fair. I think (or hope) Marvel is starting to realize the amount of homework they were requiring of the audience for these movies is piling up. I feel they did a good job in this movie recapping the stories of each character. Some important things happened in this movie, but hopefully they'll continue doing the recap in future movies.

I think its more in forum dweller's heads than in reality. My gf watched guardians 3 and thr marvels with only having seen avengers iw, avengers endgame, caprain marvel and enjoyed both of them

TheDurinator posted...

Everything she's in seems to bomb horrifically so I don't know if Disney shares your enthusiasm. Whenever I see people talk about her on CE she always gets glowing reviews so the disconnect is jarring.

The disconnect is real. She is good but no one wants to admit it but muslim teen girl is a hard sell. I think she needs to continue but in lower budget stuff or appearances with guaranteed sellers

Blue_Popo posted...

I think its more in forum dweller's heads than in reality. My gf watched guardians 3 and thr marvels with only having seen avengers iw, avengers endgame, caprain marvel and enjoyed both of them

Yeah, that's fair.

Blue_Popo posted...

The disconnect is real. She is good but no one wants to admit it but muslim teen girl is a hard sell. I think she needs to continue but in lower budget stuff or appearances with guaranteed sellers

Wow. "We should ostracize this actor to B level because bigots hate Muslims" is quite a take.

TheDurinator posted...

Everything she's in seems to bomb horrifically so I don't know if Disney shares your enthusiasm. Whenever I see people talk about her on CE she always gets glowing reviews so the disconnect is jarring.

Realistically anything that is Disney Plus is kinda a moot point. You can't say "Her Disney Plus show didn't create substantial new viewer retention" when the market is in huge Flux. Prices are changing dramatically, the number of streaming services are increasing, etc.

As for Marvel's itself not doing well here the first weekend, anything close to Christmas time has increased legs if there isn't a huge Christmas feature coming. Aquaman 2 is coming but that could lead theaters to air a cool little double feature.

There is also just super hero fatigue and all numbers for all projects are trending downward. Guardians 3 did worse than 2, Wakanda Forever did worse than BP1, Quantumania did worse than Antman 2, etc.

Captain Marvel did 426m in 2019. Dunno if Marvel's will do even 350 worldwide, but it could. None of that has to do with Kamala Khan though.

I don't think the general public will latch onto Ms Marvel

Theres a reason she has the lowest viewed D+ show, if you're going for the young superhero angle spiderman already has that covered

It's interesting to me that people have overall been having this same opinion. I haven't even seen many of the Anti-Brie Brigade shitting around. I think phase 4 and 5 have been consistently really good, and this is right in the middle of that, but a lot of people still can't shut up about how phase 4 killed their dog. Now this movie comes out, with the baggage of being a sequel to a movie no one liked and also having a following of internet jackasses but the resounding opinion has been "it's pretty good". Glad to see it.