Current Events > How the fuck is this ok? (Palestine protesters)

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https://x.com/clownworld_/status/1723402577105322157?s=46&t=zide-xMmO1Jfbehl1xCCdw

Did someone say it was "okay"?

What does "okay" even mean to you?

Definitely not clicking a link to a twitter called clown world, thats a megaphone not a dog whistle.

People aren't protesting to support Hamas. They're protesting to condemn Israel's massacring of civilians and the general treatment of Palestinians by Israel. The only reason for him to be there with that sign is as a thinly veiled (if that) show of support for Israel's actions, and that's why he got attacked.

Not saying it was right of them to attack him with anything beyond words, but it's still a clear case of FAFO. People are sick of Israel shills and you'd have to be living under a rock to not realize that.

That account is not great to put it lightly

Is what ok?

Looks like the demonstration was policing itself and dealing with anyone who got out of hand.

Meanwhile, extreme right wing counter-protestors were being arrested for assaulting the police.

That was as tame as a physical confrontation could get. It could have been a lot worse given the tensions, but all they did was scuffle a bit, tried to take his sign, and ran him off.

The world was changed by these actions

How the fuck can anyone still support Israel? Unless they're right-wing pieces of shit who are OK with a apartheid country committing war crimes and genocide?

That was a demonstration of 300,000 people, and the worst thing you can find is a very minor scuffle over a sign, with protesters stepping in to calm it down. How sad for you.

Where is Clownworld's footage of EDL bastards attacking the police and making antisemitic chants?

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It's not ok. People need to stop being so aggressive.

Trumble posted...

People aren't protesting to support Hamas. They're protesting to condemn Israel's massacring of civilians and the general treatment of Palestinians by Israel. The only reason for him to be there with that sign is as a thinly veiled (if that) show of support for Israel's actions, and that's why he got attacked.

Not saying it was right of them to attack him with anything beyond words, but it's still a clear case of FAFO. People are sick of Israel shills and you'd have to be living under a rock to not realize that.

Did the sign say anything about Palestine? It compared Hamas to ISIS and called October 7th a genocidal event (which it was.)

If Pro Palestinian protestors want to be differentiated from Hamas supporters, this is the exact thing they should probably avoid.

But you are seeing it all over the place.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

called October 7th a genocidal event (which it was.)

No it wasn't.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

But you are seeing it all over the place.

Are we though?

Don't really care? The protestors or even the Palestinians themselves could be total assholes across the board but it wouldn't matter. Human rights don't need to be earned.

lderivedx posted...

No it wasn't.

No, it would have likely been if Hamas had the means to make it one.

The issue is not that he's wrong about the attack; it's that it's irrelevant. The protest he's attending and holding that sign up at is not about being pro-Hamas; it's about opposing Israel's atrocities. Nothing about Hamas justifies Israel's actions since said attack. Hamas and their terrorist attack is simply something Israel and their shills are using to justify Israel attempting their own genocide. And THAT is the problem here.

So how many counter protestors have been arrested compared to the... none, was it? For those supporting Palestine and against Israel?

Will Braverman apologise, resign or be fired for whipping these idiots into a frenzy? Of course not.

But remember, it's those who didn't go to the cenotaph who are the bad guys, not the ones committing violence around it!

It's very not okay for people to post x links

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Did the sign say anything about Palestine? It compared Hamas to ISIS and called October 7th a genocidal event (which it was.)

If Hamas = ISIL, then should the politicians who helped prop up Hamas be held accountable? Oops

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/

Chuds frothing at the mouth 'cause their definitely of peaceful got them well deserved consequences.

Funkydog posted...

So how many counter protestors have been arrested compared to the... none, was it? For those supporting Palestine and against Israel?

Will Braverman apologise, resign or be fired for whipping these idiots into a frenzy? Of course not.

But remember, it's those who didn't go to the cenotaph who are the bad guys, not the ones committing violence around it!

At this point, I'm starting to think there is merit in the accusations that Braverman is trying to get fired.

Trumble posted...

People aren't protesting to support Hamas. They're protesting to condemn Israel's massacring of civilians and the general treatment of Palestinians by Israel. The only reason for him to be there with that sign is as a thinly veiled (if that) show of support for Israel's actions, and that's why he got attacked.

Not saying it was right of them to attack him with anything beyond words, but it's still a clear case of FAFO. People are sick of Israel shills and you'd have to be living under a rock to not realize that.

lol, Im not saying its right but Im gonna justify it anyway. Dude shut the fuck up

Solid_Snake07 posted...

lol, Im not saying its right but Im gonna justify it anyway. Dude shut the fuck up

You can think something should not have happened while also understanding exactly why it did.

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^ RationalWiki is not exactly a source that should be taken seriously either, to be fair.

lderivedx posted...

No it wasn't.

You have a different word that describes completely emptying entire towns and a music festival of their inhabitants through mass murder and kidnapping?

CyrusV posted...

Are we though?

Seems like every day I get articles through
my newsbreak apps about how Jews are being harrassed particularly at college campuses for supporting Israel.

This is the latest one.
https://nypost.com/2023/11/10/news/jewish-students-at-mit-blocked-from-attending-classes-by-hostile-anti-israel-protesters/amp/

And by the way, the problem is that these Pro Palestinian protests want a ceasefire without any mention of concern regarding the welfare of the hostages.

I do not want to live in Clownworld. And you cannot make me!

*hurls clown memorabilia*

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

It compared Hamas to ISIS and called October 7th a genocidal event (which it was.)

It was terrorism. It was an atrocity.

It was not genocidal.

Genocide usually requires some kind of instutional leverage, and a scale of force that needs to be brought to bear against a whole group of people. Something systemic.

You've been in every other I/P thread. You should know this by now.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Seems like every day I get articles through
my newsbreak apps about how Jews are being harrassed particularly at college campuses for supporting Israel.

If only they could avoid it by, oh I dunno, maybe not supporting Israel's atrocities?

Also we both know damn well that it's anyone who supports Israel who's being (rightfully) called out for it, and you're just specifically talking about Jews because you want to tie criticism of Israel to anti-Semitism as a way to try and dismiss it as invalid.

DnDer posted...

It was terrorism. It was an atrocity.

It was not genocidal.

Genocide usually requires some kind of instutional leverage, and a scale of force that needs to be brought to bear against a whole group of people. Something systemic.

You've been in every other I/P thread. You should know this by now.

And you should know that a Hamas spokesperson already said its supposed to be the first with the intent of eradicating the state of Israel.

Last time I checked - this is the definition of genocide.

the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. Oxford Dictionary

Hamas supporters at a Palestine protest...Im shocked.

The bitter irony is that people using 'clownworld', like those who counter-protested this march, are rabidly antisemitic.

The just happen to be Islamophobic as well.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

You have a different word that describes completely emptying entire towns and a music festival of their inhabitants through mass murder and kidnapping?

Killing soldiers isn't "genocidal." For the rest, take it up with the IDF. They killed a ton of their own citizens.

Also it's very weird in that between Israel and Hamas, one is actually committing genocide, accompanied by statements as much from their politicians, but that's not the one y'all are upset about.

DnDer posted...

It was terrorism. It was an atrocity.

It was not genocidal.

Genocide usually requires some kind of instutional leverage, and a scale of force that needs to be brought to bear against a whole group of people. Something systemic.

You've been in every other I/P thread. You should know this by now.

Hamas would absolutely kill every Jew in Israel if they were capable of doing so. Gtfo of here with this shit. Palestinian leadership for the past 80 years has made it abundantly clear the only compromise theyre interested in is the complete expulsion of the Jewish population. I believe the famous quote is something along the lines of theyll either be pushed into the sea or well be pushed into the desert. Which is an awfully pretty way of saying their only interest is to kill any Jew that doesnt flee.

lderivedx posted...

Killing soldiers isn't "genocidal." For the rest, take it up with the IDF. They killed a ton of their own citizens.

Are you blatantly ignoring facts because you dont like Israel?

If I get modded for this, I dont care.

Does this look like an attack on military bases to you?
https://youtu.be/T4XiTRkg9s8?si=ZoC3huH8HZXF4R3J

lderivedx posted...

Killing soldiers isn't "genocidal." For the rest, take it up with the IDF. They killed a ton of their own citizens.

Hamas definitely killed (and captured) a lot of civilians; even if it is true that IDF killed a lot of Israeli civilians too.

You can criticize Israel without defending Hamas.

That wasn't exactly right, but that was pretty tame. Idk why we are giving this the time of day

Solid_Snake07 posted...

Hamas would absolutely kill every Jew in Israel if they were capable of doing so. Gtfo of here with this shit. Palestinian leadership for the past 80 years has made it abundantly clear the only compromise theyre interested in is the complete expulsion of the Jewish population. I believe the famous quote is something along the lines of theyll either be pushed into the sea or well be pushed into the desert. Which is an awfully pretty way of saying their only interest is to kill any Jew that doesnt flee.

So are the 9/11 attacks "genocidal", since al-Qaeda would love to kill as much Americans as possible?

LSGW_Zephyra posted...

That wasn't exactly right, but that was pretty tame. Idk why we are giving this the time of day

Because the Israel shills are desperate for anything they can use to make their critics look bad.

Trumble posted...

Hamas definitely killed (and captured) a lot of civilians; even if it is true that IDF killed a lot of Israeli civilians too.

They did. However, that does not make Oct 7 genocidal, as was the initial claim. It is not reasonable to roll up the deaths of citizen killed by Israel and the deaths of Israeli soldiers/police with those civilians kidnapped/killed by Hamas.

I just question his intention to have that in the middle of a protest. Is it even necessary?

Isn't it the same guy (Iranian dude)?

lderivedx posted...

They did. However, that does not make Oct 7 genocidal, as was the initial claim. It is not reasonable to roll up the deaths of citizen killed by Israel and the deaths of Israeli soldiers/police with those civilians kidnapped/killed by Hamas.

It really depends if you're thinking more about the actual impacts, or the underlying intent. Hamas wanting to commit genocide of Israelis is pretty well established; as is Israel (as in the govt / military, not citizens) wanting to do the same of Palestinians. If Hamas had the means to go bigger on Oct 7th, anyone who thinks they wouldn't have done so is delusional.

The issue is not whether Oct 7th is being accurately described; but whether it's even relevant to the protest at hand (as opposed to just being used as a convenient excuse by Israel shills to support Israel's actions).

Fenriswolf posted...

So are the 9/11 attacks "genocidal", since al-Qaeda would love to kill as much Americans as possible?

im not the one throwing around the word genocide like its the new buzzword like a fucking moron

Trumble posted...

It really depends if you're thinking more about the actual impacts, or the underlying intent. Hamas wanting to commit genocide of Israelis is pretty well established; as is Israel (as in the govt / military, not citizens) wanting to do the same of Palestinians. If Hamas had the means to go bigger on Oct 7th, anyone who thinks they wouldn't have done so is delusional.

I'm not interested in arguing hypothetical situations that require wildly different material conditions. There's no point in saying "well yeah if instead Hamas had the air force and army and nukes and international support and... then I'm confident it would have been the other way around."

Solid_Snake07 posted...

Hamas would absolutely kill every Jew in Israel if they were capable of doing so.

If they were capable. They're not.

At scale, hamas is not capable of fulfilling a genocide. They instead employ terrorism and terrorists to harm Israel at every opportunity.

But it's not going to amount to genocide unless some major shift in political and military power occurs.

Solid_Snake07 posted...

Palestinian leadership for the past 80 years has made it abundantly clear the only compromise theyre interested in is the complete expulsion of the Jewish population.

Current leadership in hamas, at least according to wiki (a couple weeks back, when this all started), has said they'd accept the '67 borders.

And they've walked back the language from their original charter saying it's a historical artifact, and they're not for the absolute and total extermination of the Jews anymore.

Both of which seem to be more generous (and almost "progressive") compared to what Israel has been saying in the last month about them.

lderivedx posted...

They did. However, that does not make Oct 7 genocidal, as was the initial claim. It is not reasonable to roll up the deaths of citizen killed by Israel and the deaths of Israeli soldiers/police with those civilians kidnapped/killed by Hamas.

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/holocaust-genocide-scholars-condemn-oct-7-hamas-massacre

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/press-release/mccaul-declares-hamas-committed-acts-of-genocide-crimes-against-humanity-war-crimes-calls-upon-state-department-to-determine-same/

I call your opinion and raise you genocidewatch.org and the white house.

lderivedx posted...

I'm not interested in arguing hypothetical situations that require wildly different material conditions. There's no point in saying "well yeah if instead Hamas had the air force and army and nukes and international support and... then I'm confident it would have been the other way around."

You seem very interested in ignoring the more important point in the post you quoted though.