Board 8 > Dead by Daylight Topic 7: Or rather, Se7en.

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Obellisk posted...

With how much Isquen loves to write I find it hard to believe he didn't provide you with information regarding your automatic trait and it potentially being used against you

Rereading it it says I eat them? So I don't think I can eat myself lol

Probably should have just read the rules before I did that test up there
Oh well

Corrik7 posted...

I don't think anyone is lynching Ashe today. Your scan kinda clears him.

Now this I dont follow.

htaeD posted...

Oh it may just be because of this, Sbell

would no self voting = no self killing.

oh I see, Sultan will automatically have a vote placed at a tie, not just eliminate ties and have someone die.

so since he can't vote himself, he auto gladiates (kills) any opponent.

I don't love it, but I can't deny it makes a little more sense.

htaeD posted...

Now this I dont follow.

He scanned actions on FD. FD was poisoned.

2 entire days prior Ashe said he is a ninja. Thus, Ashe's actions wouldn't show up on FD.

Him seeing a poison on FD means scum went to FD and that Ashe also went to FD as well. Ashe had zero reason to claim being a ninja day 1 as scum unless he just actually was ninja. He wouldn't claim something that could make him easier to catch in a lie. It's highly unlikely scum Ashe went to FD IN ADDITION to the poisoner. Thus, it is highly likely Ashe is town and the scan actually absolves Ashe of being scum and doesn't make him scum at all.

I get the part about him claiming ninja, since thats just weird to do if you are actually a scum ninja.

But we have no proof that Ashe actually went to FD night1 other than Ashe's word.

Think I'm already on Ashe but if he is town I'll eat my hat..

htaeD posted...

I get the part about him claiming ninja, since thats just weird to do if you are actually a scum ninja.

But we have no proof that Ashe actually went to FD night1 other than Ashe's word.

So you are saying Ashe as scum went to someone else but just for giggles lied and said he went to the poisoned person? What's the point? Did he know someone was gonna get this scan on FD to confirm he was a ninja and then the other scum being on him would absolve him?

That's so convoluted. The easiest answer is usually the right answer.

I'm not voting Ashe. Screams town and it's telling that the openly claimed survivor wants to vote Ashe instead of connect the dots here on why he is probably town.

Brohan had my good will at the beginning of the game but he has slowly eroded that to nothing. No idea how he is skating by.

Corrik7 posted...

So you are saying Ashe as scum went to someone else but just for giggles lied and said he went to the poisoned person? What's the point? Did he know someone was gonna get this scan on FD to confirm he was a ninja and then the other scum being on him would absolve him?

That's so convoluted. The easiest answer is usually the right answer.

Well he may have just wanted to make up a target whose scan would reveal nothing to us.
Actually I need to check something first.

EDumey posted...

IGCD, next time you're in topic, please give a time you will be available to claim with SBell.

Sultan, next time you're in topic, either claim or tell us if you're waiting to claim for some specific reason.

Brohan. Claim. If you're town and don't have the availability to keep up with the topic, just give us your info so we can try and game solve.

Right now.

Or in about an hour.

hey wanna claim?

htaeD posted...

Well he may have just wanted to make up a target whose scan would reveal nothing to us.
Actually I need to check something first.

I may have turned my shit purple and now it smells like rainbow sherbert too.

I mean, he literally could have just said he was straight vanilla and had no powers than a ninja, give a target, who happens to have been poisoned, who didn't flip due to a box, and who would just conveniently corroborate his story later.

You got like 6 steps to this being scum here. And 1 to being town.

Can you stay in topic? I'm getting loaded and then once I'm weighed I can pull over once I get out of the pit.

Like I am telling you Ashe is basically confirmed scum. His claim of Killer first is scum. Scum is killers first then they are survivors second.

Corrik did you roleblock FD N1/D2?

I was waiting to let you reveal at your own discretion. But you'll remember the other thing I saw on FD. He was roleblocked at the start of D2.

None of our three claimed roleblocks have claimed that yet, meaning it was likely a scum action. Because of the timing, scum either has a N1 ability that role blocks town, but o ly starting the following day. Or they have a D2 ability, that they were able to use at the start of day to make sure FD didn't get any day actions off.

You keep saying there's no reason that scum would have visited FD twice with the poison, but it seems to me that they poisoned AND roleblocked him. Why would they poison and roleblock the same person instead of spreading out their actions unless they thought maybe FD had something worth killing?

Here's my BIG BRAIN (read: tin foil and 95% chance of being wrong) theory. We have had confirmations every day about day actions. But no claimed day actions. What if scum day scanned FD, and knew he was a big threat and put ALL those resources into discretely getting rid of him? The only way for that to work would be for Ashe to be a Ninja day scanner, which is only one step away from what he actually claimed.

But that's just me trying to figure out why the hell they would poison and roleblock FD. Please tell me you're the one responsible for his roleblock and I can take my crazy pills.

I am here. I am going to type out a quick claim for ya'll and i'll have it on call whenever you want me to post it,.

Obellisk posted...

I am here. I am going to type out a quick claim for ya'll and i'll have it on call whenever you want me to post it,.

Sounds good, I got mine ready too.

EDumey posted...

Corrik did you roleblock FD N1/D2?

I was waiting to let you reveal at your own discretion. But you'll remember the other thing I saw on FD. He was roleblocked at the start of D2.

None of our three claimed roleblocks have claimed that yet, meaning it was likely a scum action. Because of the timing, scum either has a N1 ability that role blocks town, but o ly starting the following day. Or they have a D2 ability, that they were able to use at the start of day to make sure FD didn't get any day actions off.

You keep saying there's no reason that scum would have visited FD twice with the poison, but it seems to me that they poisoned AND roleblocked him. Why would they poison and roleblock the same person instead of spreading out their actions unless they thought maybe FD had something worth killing?

Here's my BIG BRAIN (read: tin foil and 95% chance of being wrong) theory. We have had confirmations every day about day actions. But no claimed day actions. What if scum day scanned FD, and knew he was a big threat and put ALL those resources into discretely getting rid of him? The only way for that to work would be for Ashe to be a Ninja day scanner, which is only one step away from what he actually claimed.

But that's just me trying to figure out why the hell they would poison and roleblock FD. Please tell me you're the one responsible for his roleblock and I can take my crazy pills.

I did not visit FD night 1.

So again, I KNOW scum sent at least two people to FD. I just dont know if the roleblock was actually initiated before or after the role swap. I know it took effect at the start of D2. And I can see both of those actions. The only question is why?

Maybe me getting hung up on ninja scanner is way way too convenient, and they just chose to neutralize FD on a whim. But that's my crazy theory.

FD was roleblocked by the chain hung btw.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Like I am telling you Ashe is basically confirmed scum. His claim of Killer first is scum. Scum is killers first then they are survivors second.

Sultan he already took that back. At least stay up to date.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Can you stay in topic? I'm getting loaded and then once I'm weighed I can pull over once I get out of the pit.

Geez Whats even the context for this.

So your theory edumey is just wrong and you need to back off of it. You are overlooking why FD was actually roleblocked. It's leading you down a bad path here.

my claim is typed I just need to post it

Even more confident edumey is town due to his error here in how he looked at things. Ashe is very likely town also. People are skating by here that are scum for sure while town argues with itself.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Sounds good, I got mine ready too.

Obellisk posted...

my claim is typed I just need to post it

*insert Shia meme here*

Ok im ready

igcd. hiw about 12:20

1020?

ya

Test

original role:
Feng Min, Solo Queue, Loud Multifaceted.

Loud - if i visit you, you'll know, just not what i do.

Multifaceted - If i am cop-type scanned it is random what you'll see. Will always be a live player. May be scum info, may be town info. NEVER my own.

Second role:
The Legion, Solo Queue, Multifaceted

Loud is gone.

Multifaceted - now this means the Entity has merged all my personalities into 1 body and once per day I can tell the host which personality I want to be when/if i am scanned. Frank, Susie, Julie or Joey.

At no point do i have an action. I am just a noisy randomly miller vanilla (since my scans can show scum info), my role PM implies that there are Framers around since I have no action but if i am sent to someone, that person would know, I do not understand the Frank, Susie, Julie or Joey thing., i dunno if that means i know longer have the change to give "scum" info.

THIS is why i said i would be a nuissance to the game. However no one did anything with me so, yeah.
I also questioned Red's miller claim to see if he was miller on multiple days or just odd. Two town players with the ability to scan as scum on Odd Days is ODD. I'd think it should be 1 for odd and 1 for even.

DWIGHT FAIRFIELD, SOLO QUEUE Cowardly

THE DREDGE, SOLO QUEUE Horse-faced Eldritch Being

I got hit with the flooding thing

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I got hit with the flooding thing

as soon as you posted your test i knew that was gonna happen but wasn't worried about a 10 second differential

My first role is vanilla I think, and my second role tells me if I get visited. I have yet to be visited.

1. Ashethan. - Almost assuredly Town
2. Corrik7 / Corrik - Hundo Town
3. EDumey / Dumey - Almost assuredly Town
4. htaeD / Death - directly in poe and seems to look opportunistic with Ashe.
5. IfGodCouldDie / IGCD - had early game reasoning in his favor. Could be flawed letting him skate by. Weird votes end of day 3. But weird votes are normal for him too.
6. BlueCrystalTear / BCT (replaces Lea) - feels town with the counter claim.
7. Obellisk / Sbell - had the early game in his favor. This could be flawed and causing him to skate by.
8. red13n / Leafeon13n - miller... ehhhh... seems confused on Ashes role so if scum he is basically an inactive one and not lurking.
9. TheSultanofSlam / Sultan - openly claimed 3p survivor. Sigh.
10. UltimateBrohan / Brohan - looking like scum now sadly.
11. wallmasterz / Wallz - debatable. Town response to my role but very scummy elsewhere. Counter claimed but is this a trap?

Corrik7 posted...

FD was roleblocked by the chain hung btw.

,........................................

Goddammit.

Hmmm Red vs Sbell huh
But wait, why not claim that right away Sbell?

So im guessing Sultan tossed the flag up to scum and wants to try and push this Ashe mislynch through so they can win tomorrow. = /

htaeD posted...

Hmmm Red vs Sbell huh
But wait, why not claim that right away Sbell?

Didn't feel like it needed to be me vs. Red. at the time of Reds claim i only knew that i had a chance to give faulty info. he was claiming full miller.

Red and Sultan as scum makes so much sense tobme

Also, never in my mafia history have i ever won a counter claim. I always lose one way or the other.

But i also just claimed with traits that no one has seen yet while the rest of you all keep duplicating information.

So i feel like we need to start sorting through those who are using the same trait names with different actual traits.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Red and Sultan as scum makes so much sense tobme

Sultan wouldn't have claimed survivor as scum. So they aren't aligned as both scum. Sultan isn't a good boy though.

I still think Ashethan is scum btw, but just for the reasons I did D3. I fear that my bungling of analyzing things is just providing him cover now. Please don't misconstrue my dumb actions as town confirming Ashe. The only thing I've confirmed is that he's a Ninja as claimed. Also that I'm an idiot, which is why I asked Corrik and/or Red to carry my at the start of day. :P

##Unvote

At least until I can screw my head on straight and recontextualize things.

EDumey posted...

I still think Ashethan is scum btw, but just for the reasons I did D3. I fear that my bungling of analyzing things is just providing him cover now. Please don't misconstrue my dumb actions as town confirming Ashe. The only thing I've confirmed is that he's a Ninja as claimed. Also that I'm an idiot, which is why I asked Corrik and/or Red to carry my at the start of day. :P

##Unvote

At least until I can screw my head on straight and recontextualize things.

All you have done is convince me he is town.

I dont think there's a useful pattern to the traits myself.

And I really think that while its not a direct counterclaim, it is something that you should claim on your own regardless.