Current Events > Israel/Palestine War: Live Thread 5 (Gaza Invaded)

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AltAccount3
11/06/23 7:07:16 PM
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Reposted for visibility
By me:
  • UN says 88 staffers killed in war. The highest in UN history https://m.timesofindia.com/world/middle-east/88-united-nations-staffers-killed-in-gaza-marks-highest-death-toll-in-single- war/articleshow/105000232.cms
  • "Jordan said on Monday it was leaving "all options" open in its response to what it called Israel's failure to discriminate between military and civilian targets in its intensifying bombardment and invasion of the Gaza Strip." https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/jordan-says-all-options-open-gaza-conflict-intensifies-2023-11-06
By Sahel:
Sahel posted...
Palestine as well as Oman who's sitting by in it's own corner is calling for the International Criminal Court to arrest people, giving them the Vladimir Putin treatment.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/oman-calls-for-international-court-to-investigate-war-crimes-by-israel-in-gaza/3043632
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/palestine-urges-icc-to-issue-arrest-warrants-for-israeli-officials-over-gaza-conflict/3045316

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The number of Palestinians killed in Gaza since Hamas attacked Israel on October 7 has surpassed 10,000, the Hamas-controlled Ministry of Health in Gaza announced Monday.
Ashraf Al Qudra, spokesperson for the ministry, said 10,022 Palestinians in the enclave had been killed by Israeli strikes, including 4,104 children, 2,641 women and 611 elderly people. Those numbers suggest about three-quarters of the dead are from vulnerable populations.
The ministry reported another 25,408 people have been injured.
It's unclear how many combatants are included in the total. CNN cannot independently verify the numbers released by the ministry in Gaza, which is sealed off by Israel and mostly sealed by Egypt.
Some background: Israel declared war on Hamas after the Islamist militant group launched a brutal attack on October 7, killing 1,400 in Israel and kidnapping more than 240. Israel retaliated by launching an air and ground offensive on Gaza, vowing to eliminate the militant group.
Thousands more Palestinians have been killed in Gaza in the last month than those who died in conflicts with Israel spanning over the last 15 years.
The United Nations Human Rights Office said the attacks last week on Gazas largest refugee camp could amount to war crimes given the scale of casualties and destruction.


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AltAccount3
11/06/23 7:19:06 PM
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BBC Verify: Where do the Gaza death figures come from?
The ongoing death toll in Gaza is released by the enclave's health ministry, which is run by Hamas.

The ministry says that when a death occurs as a result of an Israeli strike or attack, a hospital registers the details into a computer. The details logged include full name, age, ID number and sex.

This information is transferred daily from individual hospitals into a central computer system and compiled by the ministry. Once processed, the data is provided to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS).

The PCBS told the BBC the figures only cover those who have died in hospital - it does not account for those killed under buildings or who cannot be identified.

A specific cause of death is normally logged but this is currently not happening due to the extremely high numbers being processed, PCBS president Ola Awak-Shakshir told the BBC.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has said that any information provided by a terrorist organisation should be viewed with caution.

But World Health Organization spokesman Richard Brennan said last week he believed the figures were trustworthy, adding: Were confident that the information management systems that the ministry of health has put in place over the years stand up to analysis. The data over the years has been quite solid.
-BBC

The WHO thinks the death tolls can be trusted. It's not said in this article but, the UN also thinks the tolls can be trusted. That's good enough for me.

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AltAccount3
11/07/23 12:19:46 AM
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Watching the Gaza livestream and it's so awful how the place looks now. It's just completely destroyed. Looks like a nuke hit it or something

https://www.youtube.com/live/4_m1Ewmi76A?feature=shared
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1d7f09ea.jpg

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name_unknown
11/07/23 1:58:49 AM
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Israel will have "overall security responsibility" for Gaza for "indefinite period," Netanyahu claims
From CNN's Kareem El Damanhoury and Mitchell McCluskey
Israel will have the "overall security responsibility" in Gaza for an "indefinite period" after the war with Hamas ends, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu claimed in an interview that aired on ABC News Monday.
Gaza should be governed by those who dont want to continue the way of Hamas," Netanyahu said, adding: "I think Israel will, for an indefinite period, will have the overall security responsibility because weve seen what happens when we dont have it.
The prime minister also repeated that Israel will not allow a general ceasefire until all hostages are released by Hamas.
However, Netanyahu said he was open to short pauses to take place.
"As far as tactical little pauses, an hour here, an hour there. We've had them before, I suppose, we'll check the circumstances in order to enable goods, humanitarian goods to come in, or our hostages, individual hostages to leave. But I don't think there's going to be a general ceasefire," he said.
Netanyahu also addressed the role of Iran and Tehran-backed militant group Hezbollah in the conflict, cautioning them from becoming more involved.
"I think they've understood that if they enter the war in a significant way, the response will be very, very powerful and I hope they don't make that mistake," Netanyahu told ABC.
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Zikten
11/07/23 2:15:27 AM
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it blows my mind that a country can kill a shit ton of UN workers and face no consequences
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Yo_D_oY
11/07/23 2:51:01 AM
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Such an insanely unfortunate war for the innocent. Without the iron dome, there'd be thousands more lost on the other side. And there's been enough evidence of Hamas killing their own citizens for attempting to flee. Whenever I see the numbers it makes me feel like it could just stop, but I know there's no peace when you have terrorists for neighbors who are willing to cause another Oct 7 whenever possible for them so they have to be eradicated. And it's even more complicated as this could easily become a full-blown regional war of Iran (via proxies) vs Israel.

Just saw Hamas was using a youth center as a weapon storage facility and rocket launch site.

https://v.redd.it/d6vipc6qiryb1

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Hornezz
11/07/23 3:07:26 AM
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London hospital takes down artwork by Gaza schoolchildren after complaint

A display of artwork by Palestinian children at Chelsea and Westminster hospital in London has been removed after a complaint by a pro-Israel organisation, which said it made Jewish patients feel vulnerable, harassed and victimised.

The display of decorated plates, designed by children at two United Nations schools in Gaza and accompanied by brief explanations, was on show at the entrance to the childrens outpatients department.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/886bae29.jpg

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/27/artwork-gaza-schoolchildren-removed-chelsea-and-westminster-hospital

edit: I should mention this is from february this year. Nonetheless, I feel it's relevant to show how the west is easily persuaded in going along with this sort of treatment.

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Humble_Novice
11/07/23 3:10:32 AM
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Hornezz posted...
London hospital takes down artwork by Gaza schoolchildren after complaint

A display of artwork by Palestinian children at Chelsea and Westminster hospital in London has been removed after a complaint by a pro-Israel organisation, which said it made Jewish patients feel vulnerable, harassed and victimised.

The display of decorated plates, designed by children at two United Nations schools in Gaza and accompanied by brief explanations, was on show at the entrance to the childrens outpatients department.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/886bae29.jpg

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/27/artwork-gaza-schoolchildren-removed-chelsea-and-westminster-hospital
This is just too much. What could be so offensive about these lovely artworks made to honor the Palestinian victims?

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Kai_Laguna
11/07/23 3:14:26 AM
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AltAccount3 posted...
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has said that any information provided by a terrorist organisation should be viewed with caution.
Pretty ironic coming from Isreal.
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Foppe
11/07/23 3:17:10 AM
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Humble_Novice posted...
This is just too much. What could be so offensive about these lovely artworks made to honor the Palestinian victims?
Because it helped humanize Palestinians.

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Zikten
11/07/23 3:41:25 AM
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Poor poor grown adults, who feel feel threatened by children's artwork....
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ZechtAurion
11/07/23 10:46:21 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/17pdv5b/angry_mob_demands_homeowner_take_down_palestinian/

In New York.
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Zikten
11/07/23 10:50:45 AM
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I just turned on CNN and caught the tail end of some relatives of people kidnapped to Gaza, speaking on Capital Hill, and telling America about the atrocities of Hamas but not mention what their own government is doing to normal Palestinians. I'm sorry Israelies got killed and kidnapped. But Palestinians have already endured way more suffering than the initial terrorist attack killed, in just 1 month

Maybe I'd listen to these guys at capital hill if they at least admitted to the Gazan suffering. If they admitted that normal Gaza citizens are not Hamas

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ZechtAurion
11/07/23 10:53:58 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk7iWgCk14U
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Foppe
11/07/23 11:07:06 AM
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Israel is fighting on the streets near the al-Quds-hospital, which they claim contains Hamas biggest command center.

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Starks
11/07/23 11:10:03 AM
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I thought al-Shifa hospital was the command center. I can't even keep track of Hamas depravity.

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Foppe
11/07/23 11:12:53 AM
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Starks posted...
I thought al-Shifa hospital was the command center. I can't even keep track of Hamas depravity.
I think they believe that all hospitals are command centers, but al-Quds is supposed to be the biggest one.

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IceCreamOnStero
11/07/23 3:12:53 PM
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Any other sources corroborating this?

https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1721940876811727065?t=TJbbbgFzj3cbN1Ovb_5cpA&s=19

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AltAccount3
11/07/23 3:41:29 PM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Any other sources corroborating this?

https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1721940876811727065?t=TJbbbgFzj3cbN1Ovb_5cpA&s=19
Hard to say. Al Jazeera has shown a bias for Palestine at points. I can't just take what they say as truth right away... Just like the IDF

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Trumble
11/07/23 3:57:12 PM
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AltAccount3 posted...
Hard to say. Al Jazeera has shown a bias for Palestine at points. I can't just take what they say as truth right away... Just like the IDF
Given Israel's track record of lying about this kind of thing, I'd be willing to believe it in the absence of a neutral source stating the contrary, but if such a source is out there then it would be reasonable to start questioning AJ here.

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punkfanalways
11/07/23 3:58:37 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6d3bfed3.jpg
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Lonestar2000
11/07/23 4:13:13 PM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Any other sources corroborating this?

https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1721940876811727065?t=TJbbbgFzj3cbN1Ovb_5cpA&s=19
Seems odd if it was a tunnel entrance it would be so exposed. Also, Israel was claiming water tanks on buildings in Gaza contained aircraft early warning systems to justify destroying them.

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Zikten
11/07/23 4:16:24 PM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
Seems odd if it was a tunnel entrance it would be so exposed. Also, Israel was claiming water tanks on buildings in Gaza contained aircraft early warning systems.
It really seems like Israel never has any evidence of these claims. They just either lie or have vivid imaginations
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Lonestar2000
11/07/23 4:17:13 PM
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punkfanalways posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6d3bfed3.jpg
What the fuck does this have to with the Israel/Palestine war?


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Trumble
11/07/23 4:33:29 PM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
What the fuck does this have to with the Israel/Palestine war?
Note that it was posted by someone who always tries to dismiss and detract from Israel's actions. As such he's trying to derail the topic - now let's not talk about it any further ITT so that he doesn't succeed.

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FlyEaglesFly24
11/07/23 4:36:40 PM
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Starks posted...
I thought al-Shifa hospital was the command center. I can't even keep track of Hamas depravity.

They kidnapped a 9 month old and 240
others, and murdered 1400 more.

That should be enough about Hamas. Israel deserves condemnation for its response - for sure. But lets not forget that.

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punkfanalways
11/07/23 4:50:21 PM
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Lonestar2000 posted...
What the fuck does this have to with the Israel/Palestine war?

Wrong topic sorry.
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punkfanalways
11/07/23 4:50:46 PM
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Trumble posted...
Note that it was posted by someone who always tries to dismiss and detract from Israel's actions. As such he's trying to derail the topic - now let's not talk about it any further ITT so that he doesn't succeed.

LMAO if you really believe this.
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LaLeyenda
11/07/23 5:01:13 PM
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https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/


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AltAccount3
11/07/23 6:01:42 PM
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  • 10,328 Palestinians dead in Gaza, 25,956 injured. (WaPo) https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/07/israel-war-news-hamas-gaza-palestine/
  • 155 Palestinians dead in West Bank (NPR)
  • 6,900 Israelis injured (ABC) https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/israel-gaza-hamas/?id=104617602
  • 34 IDF soldiers dead from Gaza combat. 348 total since Oct. 7th. (TheJC) https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/idf-death-toll-reaches-34-as-second-week-of-gaza-ground-operation-begins-3kXq93WRvIMA6LhmbFYyAE#:~:text=The%20IDF%20has%20so%20far,first%20day%20of%20the%20war.
  • [Unconfirmed] Lebanese are saying the Israeli strikes are now harder than ever. https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1721975073001644060
  • Civilians using white flags while evacuating through a safety corridor. https://www.ynetnews.com/article/ryidfcpq6

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darkace77450
11/07/23 6:09:20 PM
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AltAccount3 posted...
Watching the Gaza livestream and it's so awful how the place looks now. It's just completely destroyed. Looks like a nuke hit it or something

Are we going to use seized Russian assets to fund the rebuilding of Gaza, or are these people just irreparably fucked?

The question was rhetorical.
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11/08/23 1:02:11 AM
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AltAccount3
11/08/23 1:48:04 AM
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"Under Scrutiny Over Gaza, Israel Points to Civilian Toll of U.S. Wars"
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f3e55c02.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/734ab589.jpghttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/72722888.png
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/72722888.png

Lmao

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Dark_Arbron
11/08/23 2:13:26 AM
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The US and Israel. The perfect pair of fascist warmongers.

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Foppe
11/08/23 2:17:24 AM
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We got any statistic of how many adult males it exist in Gaza?
Would be interesting to see how close that number is to 30,000.

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punkfanalways
11/08/23 6:48:49 AM
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Trumble posted...
Note that it was posted by someone who always tries to dismiss and detract from Israel's actions. As such he's trying to derail the topic - now let's not talk about it any further ITT so that he doesn't succeed.

You know you don't get to accuse me of being something I'm not and then create a narrative where you don't give me the chance to defend myself. I've posted proof what you said it objectively wrong and you've not responded so I'll take that as you knowing your full of it.
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Unsuprised_Pika
11/08/23 6:52:22 AM
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AltAccount3 posted...
"Under Scrutiny Over Gaza, Israel Points to Civilian Toll of U.S. Wars" (NYT)
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f3e55c02.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/734ab589.jpghttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/72722888.png
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/72722888.png

Lmao

"Give us weapons to kill gazan babies with pretty please. Also fuck you we are deflecting from our genocide to your fuck ups."

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TheHorus
11/08/23 7:51:51 AM
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AltAccount3 posted...
"Under Scrutiny Over Gaza, Israel Points to Civilian Toll of U.S. Wars" (NYT)
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f3e55c02.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/734ab589.jpghttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/72722888.png
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/72722888.png

Lmao
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ZechtAurion
11/08/23 10:26:02 AM
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https://www.globalvillagespace.com/israeli-prime-ministers-psychiatrist-commits-suicide/


Dr. Moshe Yatom, a renowned Israeli psychiatrist celebrated for his work in curing severe mental illnesses, was discovered dead in his Tel Aviv home. The tragedy, marked by a self-inflicted gunshot wound, was accompanied by a devastating suicide note that implicated Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as the source of Yatoms despair. The note painted a grim picture of a man who had tried for nine years to penetrate the enigmatic mind of Netanyahu, only to be defeated by what he called a waterfall of lies. In a series of diary entries, Yatom documented the disintegration of his own once invincible personality while treating the Prime Minister, whose thought process he likened to a black hole of self-contradiction.


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Zikten
11/08/23 10:38:31 AM
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ZechtAurion posted...
https://www.globalvillagespace.com/israeli-prime-ministers-psychiatrist-commits-suicide/
Damn. Netanyahu drove his own psychiatrist to suicide
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Agent_Stroud
11/08/23 10:38:59 AM
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ZechtAurion posted...
https://www.globalvillagespace.com/israeli-prime-ministers-psychiatrist-commits-suicide/

Oh, snap! Thats the kinda danger that Nietzsche warned us all about, just sayin.

My condolences to his family and friends by the way since thats never an easy situation to deal with especially if they didnt know until it was far too late that he was struggling with his own personal demons all this time.

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TheHorus
11/08/23 10:46:42 AM
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ZechtAurion posted...
https://www.globalvillagespace.com/israeli-prime-ministers-psychiatrist-commits-suicide/
Send Netanyahu to the bedlam immediately! Also, tie him up in a straitjacket.

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Treasure
11/08/23 10:50:39 AM
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ZechtAurion posted...
https://www.globalvillagespace.com/israeli-prime-ministers-psychiatrist-commits-suicide/

Gonna need another source on this one.

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AltAccount3
11/08/23 10:50:46 AM
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ZechtAurion posted...
https://www.globalvillagespace.com/israeli-prime-ministers-psychiatrist-commits-suicide/
Wooooah

Edit: Misinformation. This happened in 2010.

http://www.miftah.org/display.cfm?DocId=22267&CategoryId=5

https://en.amwalalghad.com/netanyahus-psychiatrist-commits-suicide-over-pms-satanic-lies-in-2010/.

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ZechtAurion
11/08/23 11:02:29 AM
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Yep, looking through it I also stumbled on that, it did happen but it was 13 years ago.

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ZechtAurion
11/08/23 2:01:35 PM
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https://twitter.com/PostOpinions/status/1721583965587325015

What lessons from the past 20 years.
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punkfanalways
11/08/23 2:13:58 PM
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Thats a pretty racist cartoon tbf.
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AltAccount3
11/08/23 2:43:30 PM
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The "human shield" narrative keeps getting tossed around constantly but I have yet to see anything from verified sources showing or describing Hamas actually using babies as human shields. Only random people getting killed without Hamas even being in the area.

The IDF says there are 30,000 Hamas in Gaza. There are roughly 2.3M people in total. That's 1.3% of the population who are Hamas. Gaza is 140.9 sq mi in size, or 365 sq km. Meaning there are at least 213 Hamas members per square mile/82 per square kilometer at any given moment throughout the entirety of Gaza.

All that laid out means actually hitting ANY Hamas member per sq mi/km is actually pretty damn unlikely, compared to a citizen.

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Zikten
11/08/23 2:46:17 PM
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AltAccount3 posted...
The "human shield" narrative keeps getting tossed around constantly but I have yet to see anything from verified sources showing or describing Hamas actually using babies as human shields. Only random people getting killed without Hamas even being in the area.

The IDF says there are 30,000 Hamas in Gaza. There are roughly 2.3M people in total. That's 1.3% of the population who are Hamas. Gaza is 140.9 sq mi in size, or 365 sq km. Meaning there are at least 213 Hamas members per square mile/82 per square kilometer at any given moment throughout the entirety of Gaza.

All that laid out means actually hitting ANY Hamas member per sq mi/km is actually pretty damn unlikely, compared to a citizen.
Not only that, some survivors of October 7th, claim the IDF who responded initially, shot indiscriminately and killed many Israelis, while fighting the Hamas soldiers
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