Board 8 > DBD Mafia Topic 4 - The Board Witch Project

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This was definitely Lea joking about the previous game and playfully mocking Ulti.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80607678/976962384

This was Lea leaving it intentionally vague so scum has to WIFOM around it.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80607678/976962989

Whatever you think the conclusion is, I don't think Lea is going to come in here and give a clear answer.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I know Im town. I would be shocked if Scum Wall tried to mislynch me on day one because hes seen my full force of will town in action and knows full well hed just end up dead.

This reads like loud wrong town from him.

What i was getting at by asking the question is why you said "Even with my permission". That kind of implies that you are scum, and when thinking about a world where Wall is scum you have to add the modifier of "even with my permission". Otherwise it makes no sense that you would say that, right?

Okay so it was actually just BS, got it. Then sure I'm fine to lynch Ulti OR wallz. I think I like red and ashe better than the people on ulti though so I'm gonna lean that direction. Maybe we can have a rare scum vs scum end of day.

##Vote: Wallz

Crescent-Moon posted...

Last game he was scum who said dozens of times he was scanned for absolutely no reason and this game he is repeatedly to have been scanned for absolutely no reason.

It's just an intensely direct correlation in the behaviors, except Lea feels like she is intentionally being unhelpful in resolving the matter.

I can see the potential reason in this game at the very least. Lea struck first- she said "I know you're vanilla"

PunishedBen posted...

Why would Lea want to link herself to Ulti unprompted if they are a pair? If this was supposed to be a gambit they arent doing the best job selling it.

Lea does insane things regarding scumbuddies to the point where I put nothing past her.

A single, concise answer from Lea would have cleared everything up, and she has never given one. This is STILL a topic of discussion because she's allowed it to remain one.

EDumey posted...

This was definitely Lea joking about the previous game and playfully mocking Ulti.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80607678/976962384

This was Lea leaving it intentionally vague so scum has to WIFOM around it.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80607678/976962989

Whatever you think the conclusion is, I don't think Lea is going to come in here and give a clear answer.

If Lea is town I will only be happy with this play if she ends up drawing a bullet as vanilla. This sequence of events as an actual scanner is too risky to make. So yeah she's vanilla or not town at all (imo)

UltimaterializerX posted...

I gave scum permission to pursue a free mislynch today. Check the tape.

(typo edit)

Ahhh, gotcha. I now know what you were referring to. That answers my initial question

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Are you referring to his role PM?

Or his posts in game?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Okay so it was actually just BS, got it. Then sure I'm fine to lynch Ulti OR wallz. I think I like red and ashe better than the people on ulti though so I'm gonna lean that direction. Maybe we can have a rare scum vs scum end of day.

##Vote: Wallz

That feels a bit like fake confidence there. To try and assure town this is the right path? If you truly feel that way please explain why its so clear to you

Dumey: Lea is not going to come in here and give a clear answer.

Lea: Immediately comes in and gives a clear answer.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a8bdd3c8.jpg

You're both being deliberately chaotic and you're doing it with less than 2 hours left in day. Stop.

Side note: @red13n do you have another alt besides Leafeon? It was very annoying looking for Lea posts and finding you over and over.

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Can we just murder Lea immediately? Because nothing in this post feels like anything resembling town. The reason for calling him vanilla to begin with is both weak AND feels out of place. This "lot of text but no clear action" was claimed by Ulti significantly later than Lea said Ulti was vanilla. To try to use it as a justification is an outright lie.

##Vote: Lea

Kill the obvious scum.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You're both being deliberately chaotic and you're doing it with less than 2 hours left in day. Stop.

Side note: @red13n do you have another alt besides Leafeon? It was very annoying looking for Lea posts and finding you over and over.

Ctrl+f Town Lea
It's in her signature.

PunishedBen posted...

That feels a bit like fake confidence there. To try and assure town this is the right path? If you truly feel that way please explain why its so clear to you

It's not clear and I do not have anything resembling 100% confidence about it. But I like them both as scum and it would please me if they are both actually scum. Especially after last game where all 3 vote leaders were town day 1.

But even if only one of them is scum forcing them both into vote leading positions will force scum to either bus a scummate or take decisive action to help them out and long term that's useful activity to be able to look back on.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

It's not clear and I do not have anything resembling 100% confidence about it. But I like them both as scum and it would please me if they are both actually scum. Especially after last game where all 3 vote leaders were town day 1.

But even if only one of them is scum forcing them both into vote leading positions will force scum to either bus a scummate or take decisive action to help them out and long term that's useful activity to be able to look back on.

Join me on Lea.

EDumey posted...

Ctrl+f Town Lea
It's in her signature.

That's actually incredibly helpful lol. Especially because "clear" and "learn" kept coming up so much too!

Crescent-Moon posted...

Join me on Lea.

I'd rather not. She might be scum but I can still see this as vanilla trying to eat lead which is honestly a fine thing to do if it weren't also causing so much annoyance by enabling ulti to behave in that way he does.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I'd rather not. She might be scum but I can still see this as vanilla trying to eat lead which is honestly a fine thing to do if it weren't also causing so much annoyance by enabling ulti to behave in that way he does.

Lea just justified her actions with a fact that wasn't established until several hours after she committed them. She's scum trying to cover up what she did.

And there's a zero percent chance you are getting me to lynch anyone other than her. She's actually caught scum, as far as I'm concerned.

Not probable scum.

Caught scum.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Are you referring to his role PM?

Or his posts in game?

I'm still waiting for Lea to respond to my follow up question.

Crescent-Moon posted...

And there's a zero percent chance you are getting me to lynch anyone other than her. She's actually caught scum, as far as I'm concerned.

Not probable scum.

Caught scum.

In which case she is executing a ploy with scummate Ulti? Or you think there is a version of this where Lea is Scum and Ulti is Town? Because if it's a scum/scum only read and you're confident in her you should be just as confident in him. Right?

Crescent-Moon posted...

Can we just murder Lea immediately? Because nothing in this post feels like anything resembling town. The reason for calling him vanilla to begin with is both weak AND feels out of place. This "lot of text but no clear action" was claimed by Ulti significantly later than Lea said Ulti was vanilla. To try to use it as a justification is an outright lie.

##Vote: Lea

Kill the obvious scum.

You had me excited to lynch Lea for a minute but i had to look this up to see if it was true. These are all the Ulti posts related to his role that Ulti posted before Lea said he was vanilla.

UltimaterializerX posted...

SBell, Crescent, IGCD, and probably Red are all lock town because I too had the same reaction. Am I a survivor or what? WTF does my role even do?

And town is far, far more willing to have those types of vibes off the cuff than scum is. Scum would wait and check reactions before jumping in and asking wtf is going on. Being able to green check SBell early especially is always nice.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh, and important note for everyone on town.

Isquen writes way too much for his own good and pretty much every role can be safely ignored since that insane psychic shit. This game needs to be solved on vibes and scum hunting, not power roles. Thank me later.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Yes. Please lynch me since I reread my role PM and whatever the opening posts were and still dont understand jack shit about my role.

I dont think I have a night action? Maybe?

That last one is enough for me to think Lea could have assumed vanilla based off the post

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I'm still waiting for Lea to respond to my follow up question.

FD. Ulti only claimed he had "A lot of text but no clear action" several hours after Lea called him a vanilla.

She cannot give you an answer here that doesn't stack more obvious lies to the ones she's already told.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

In which case she is executing a ploy with scummate Ulti? Or you think there is a version of this where Lea is Scum and Ulti is Town? Because if it's a scum/scum only read and you're confident in her you should be just as confident in him. Right?

Ulti could be town. Lea isn't.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oof.

Do I have to increase my list to six??

Why did you accept Lea's vanilla "scan" when at that point you were still very unsure if you did or did not have passive powers?

Crescent-Moon posted...

FD. Ulti only claimed he had "A lot of text but no clear action" several hours after Lea called him a vanilla.

She cannot give you an answer here that doesn't stack more obvious lies to the ones she's already told.

Yes, but i was waiting for HER to say that.

PunishedBen posted...

You had me excited to lynch Lea for a minute but i had to look this up to see if it was true. These are all the Ulti posts related to his role that Ulti posted before Lea said he was vanilla.

That last one is enough for me to think Lea could have assumed vanilla based off the post

The actual madness revolving around Ulti's claim didn't happen at that point, it happened much later Ulti just made an overt comment. Lea would have been basing her claim on effectively nothing, unless she actually knew Ulti was town, or this was a ploy between the two.

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And his misunderstanding had you convinced of vanilla of all things?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

And his misunderstanding had you convinced of vanilla of all things?

This is where the problem is. The things that would make you think Ulti might be vanilla was when he was claiming all sorts of random powers out of his ass he wasn't sure he had, not when he said he had too much roletext. I don't see anything that should immediately "Ulti is town vanilla" from this point in the game.

##unvote
##vote: lea
im convinced
Ulti tomorrow

UltimateBrohan posted...

##unvote
##vote: lea
im convinced
Ulti tomorrow

What convinced you exactly?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Thought it made sense of a weird pm that I frankly still dont understand.

I refuse to believe that you still can't parse your role PM.

You are simultaneously maintaining that you

-Have multiple traits
-Neither of the treats specify active/powers in their descriptions
-Somehow you believed you might have been unlynchable or PGO
-But you were still willing to trust a claimed vanilla scan
-And we have someone else claiming that they have one of your traits and it is NOT vanilla

If you have passive or active powers your PM will have said as much. Clearly.
If it does not then anything else is purely for flavor.

Even if there is 10 pages of pure flavor I don't see how it could be confusing because it can all be grouped as "not a detailed passive/active ability" and disregarded.

Crescent-Moon posted...

This is where the problem is. The things that would make you think Ulti might be vanilla was when he was claiming all sorts of random powers out of his ass he wasn't sure he had, not when he said he had too much roletext. I don't see anything that should immediately "Ulti is town vanilla" from this point in the game.

He didn't mention the unlynchable or PGO junk until the next day so that doesn't factor in to the time frame of her calling him vanilla.

undefined posted... ULTI POST #273

Yes. Please lynch me since I reread my role PM and whatever the opening posts were and still dont understand jack shit about my role.

I dont think I have a night action? Maybe?

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

clear that Ulti doesnt have a night action and is before Ulti asked Lea. Doesnt mean I think Lea is town at all but it isnt the hard evidence we are looking for

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I refuse to believe that you still can't parse your role PM.

You are simultaneously maintaining that you

-Have multiple traits
-Neither of the treats specify active/powers in their descriptions
-Somehow you believed you might have been unlynchable or PGO
-But you were still willing to trust a claimed vanilla scan
-And we have someone else claiming that they have one of your traits and it is NOT vanilla

If you have passive or active powers your PM will have said as much. Clearly.
If it does not then anything else is purely for flavor.

Even if there is 10 pages of pure flavor I don't see how it could be confusing because it can all be grouped as "not a detailed passive/active ability" and disregarded.

And this sums up why Ulti's claim has always made no sense as town for me. I have a very well defined flavor, role, and power. It's hard for me to image someone actually having a PM that makes them think they might have all sorts of random not explicitly stated powers.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Im a bit biased given I really am town vanilla here, but Lea as either alignment would have a pretty hard time guessing my exact role based on nonsense.

Like I really truly thought she scanned me.

Except you wouldn't REALLY be vanilla.

You would be "ambivalent baker" or whatever the hell your traits are. In your case I guess that means "Inhuman Graceful Feline"?

Why would you assume that she would read that and know it means "doesn't have passive of active powers"? You said yourself the word "vanilla" does NOT occur (and I would be shocked if it had)

I just don't get why Ulti would claim he thinks Lea truly scanned him as Vanilla, if his trait was confusing enough to not immediately key him in to being a Vanilla. Like if he eventually got to the idea of being a French Vanilla whatever, but him believing Lea claiming to have role scanned him just doesn't make sense there, right? Because whatever his trait is, it's not actually called Vanilla? Or else he wouldn't have been confused?

EDumey posted...

I just don't get why Ulti would claim he thinks Lea truly scanned him as Vanilla, if his trait was confusing enough to not immediately key him in to being a Vanilla. Like if he eventually got to the idea of being a French Vanilla whatever, but him believing Lea claiming to have role scanned him just doesn't make sense there, right? Because whatever his trait is, it's not actually called Vanilla? Or else he wouldn't have been confused?

Boom. Ninja'd

PunishedBen posted...

ULTI POST #273

POST #318

Again, to shut down this argument. This post does make it pretty clear that Ulti doesnt have a night action and is before Ulti asked Lea. Doesnt mean I think Lea is town at all but it isnt the hard evidence we are looking for

I don't see town Lea making that comment on Ulti on such a wishy washy statement from Ulti and then kind of sort of pretending to scan him for 30 hours. The town vanilla part to begin with feels like a perspective slip.