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Rharyx211 10/26/23 1:34:36 PM #1:	I can't put "" into topic titles, but that's what I'm asking about. Like Rangark, everyone says "ragna-rock" but I'm reading that it should be more like like an "ur" sound? What brought upon my curiosity is because I noticed a character in a JRPG named Hr had their name written out as /hezu in Japanese, and that made me do a double-take. I know the is pronounced more like a "th," which would be rendered in Japanese as a /zu because S- and Z- sounds are commonly used to represent "th" sounds. But the being represented by an "eh" sound in Japanese is what's tripping me up. --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 <cite>Rharyx211 posted [p:976872286] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>I can't put "" into topic titles, but that's what I'm asking about.Like Rangark, everyone says "ragna-rock" but I'm reading that it should be more like like an "ur" sound?What brought upon my curiosity is because I noticed a character in a JRPG named Hr had their name written out as /hezu in Japanese, and that made me do a double-take.I know the is pronounced more like a "th," which would be rendered in Japanese as a /zu because S- and Z- sounds are commonly used to represent "th" sounds. But the being represented by an "eh" sound in Japanese is what's tripping me up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 10/26/23 1:36:38 PM #2:	o with the umlaut --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://i.imgur.com/0EJvC4l.jpg <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:976872328] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>o with the umlaut </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teep_ 10/26/23 1:39:20 PM #3:	I'm reading on Wikipedia that it can be pronounced similarly to the German which is sort of like the French -eaux --- this lie is love and this lie is a gift to the world <cite>teep_ posted [p:976872383] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>I'm reading on Wikipedia that it can be pronounced similarly to the German which is sort of like the French -eaux </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 10/26/23 2:51:25 PM #4:	My understanding is that, in most cases, in Old Norse typography is just an Icelandic-derived replacement for or , which were pronounced as an "ah" sound. So in that case, ragnark would be pronounced pretty closely to what it is in English. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:976873486] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>My understanding is that, in most cases, in Old Norse typography is just an Icelandic-derived replacement for or , which were pronounced as an "ah" sound. So in that case, ragnark would be pronounced pretty closely to what it is in English. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlowerGimmick 10/26/23 3:07:15 PM #5:	teep_ posted... I'm reading on Wikipedia that it can be pronounced similarly to the German which is sort of like the French -eaux Yes. Or like the 'e' in 'her'. <cite>FlowerGimmick posted [p:976873729] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>teep_ posted... </cite><quote>I'm reading on Wikipedia that it can be pronounced similarly to the German which is sort of like the French -eaux</quote>Yes. Or like the 'e' in 'her'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rharyx211 10/26/23 4:19:22 PM #6:	teep_ posted... which is sort of like the French -eaux Isn't that more of an "oo" sound? Like in "boo"? --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 <cite>Rharyx211 posted [p:976874824] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>teep_ posted... </cite><quote>which is sort of like the French -eaux</quote>Isn't that more of an "oo" sound? Like in "boo"? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 10/26/23 4:26:24 PM #7:	https://youtu.be/69G6N4W6yHM?si=F603pTYCkK6OzqI5 --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:976874950] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/69G6N4W6yHM?si=F603pTYCkK6OzqI5 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rharyx211 10/26/23 4:38:05 PM #8:	Okay, so it is supposed to be more like "ragna-ruck" if pronounced more authentically? --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 <cite>Rharyx211 posted [p:976875141] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Okay, so it is supposed to be more like "ragna-ruck" if pronounced more authentically? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shishiwakamaru 10/26/23 4:40:04 PM #9:	Rharyx211 posted... Isn't that more of an "oo" sound? Like in "boo"? Thats like ber --- Accroches-toi a ton reve <cite>Shishiwakamaru posted [p:976875179] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Rharyx211 posted... </cite><quote>Isn't that more of an "oo" sound? Like in "boo"?</quote>Thats like ber </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rharyx211 10/26/23 4:50:04 PM #10:	Yeah, I meant isn't -eaux pronounced like "oo," which wouldn't be how is pronounced? --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 <cite>Rharyx211 posted [p:976875354] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I meant isn't -eaux pronounced like "oo," which wouldn't be how is pronounced? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 10/26/23 4:54:03 PM #11:	Rharyx211 posted... Okay, so it is supposed to be more like "ragna-ruck" if pronounced more authentically? That pronunciation is Icelandic. The vowel sound in the Norse pronunciation would be more or less the same as the English one, but a bit shorter. Edit: Because there's so much confusion, the Norse is pronounced as the [] sound, which is the sound that occurs in English words like "cot" or "bother" --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:976875418] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Rharyx211 posted... </cite><quote>Okay, so it is supposed to be more like "ragna-ruck" if pronounced more authentically?</quote>That pronunciation is Icelandic. The vowel sound in the Norse pronunciation would be more or less the same as the English one, but a bit shorter.Edit: Because there's so much confusion, the Norse is pronounced as the [] sound, which is the sound that occurs in English words like "cot" or "bother" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sfcalimari 10/26/23 4:56:15 PM #12:	Pretty sure -eaux in french is more like a long English o, like the o in home. Eaux, Bordeaux, Thibodeaux. O, Bordo, Tibodo. --- "Tether even a roasted chicken." - Yamamoto Tsunetomo <cite>sfcalimari posted [p:976875462] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Pretty sure -eaux in french is more like a long English o, like the o in home. Eaux, Bordeaux, Thibodeaux. O, Bordo, Tibodo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garabandal 10/26/23 4:57:21 PM #13:	How do you pronounce Th Wll f Scrific --- Two centuries... A mere blink upon the face of eternity... <cite>Garabandal posted [p:976875479] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>How do you pronounce Th Wll f Scrific </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 10/26/23 4:57:53 PM #14:	Y'all got some weird ideas about how sounds are pronounced, I gotta say --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:976875489] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Y'all got some weird ideas about how sounds are pronounced, I gotta say </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rharyx211 10/26/23 5:01:57 PM #15:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Y'all got some weird ideas about how sounds are pronounced, I gotta say I feel like I'm more confused than when I made the topic lol So, why is being approximated in Japanese with "e" sounds...? --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 <cite>Rharyx211 posted [p:976875551] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>Y'all got some weird ideas about how sounds are pronounced, I gotta say</quote>I feel like I'm more confused than when I made the topic lolSo, why is being approximated in Japanese with "e" sounds...? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sfcalimari 10/27/23 6:04:12 PM #16:	Rharyx211 posted... I feel like I'm more confused than when I made the topic lol So, why is being approximated in Japanese with "e" sounds...? Vowels in Japanese are very basic. Trying to do Scandinavian words in Japanese is just asking for trouble. --- "Tether even a roasted chicken." - Yamamoto Tsunetomo <cite>sfcalimari posted [p:976893927] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Rharyx211 posted... </cite><quote>I feel like I'm more confused than when I made the topic lolSo, why is being approximated in Japanese with "e" sounds...?</quote>Vowels in Japanese are very basic. Trying to do Scandinavian words in Japanese is just asking for trouble. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
indica 10/27/23 6:29:35 PM #17:	Rharyx211 posted... Yeah, I meant isn't -eaux pronounced like "oo," which wouldn't be how is pronounced? I think it's closer to "oh" --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. <cite>indica posted [p:976894262] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Rharyx211 posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, I meant isn't -eaux pronounced like "oo," which wouldn't be how is pronounced?</quote>I think it's closer to "oh" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rharyx211 10/27/23 6:50:31 PM #18:	sfcalimari posted... Vowels in Japanese are very basic. Trying to do Scandinavian words in Japanese is just asking for trouble. Yeah, that's fair. Sounds like /hazu might've been a closer approximation to get the sound, since "ha" in Japanese would be more like "huh" in English. But it seems impossible to get the exact sound either way. --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 <cite>Rharyx211 posted [p:976894625] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>sfcalimari posted... </cite><quote>Vowels in Japanese are very basic. Trying to do Scandinavian words in Japanese is just asking for trouble.</quote>Yeah, that's fair.Sounds like /hazu might've been a closer approximation to get the sound, since "ha" in Japanese would be more like "huh" in English. But it seems impossible to get the exact sound either way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BurmesePenguin 10/27/23 6:58:13 PM #19:	My name has an () in it and I find English speakers get it approx right if I tell them its pronounced like the e in fern. As for if thats applicable to old norse I don't actually know because in modern danish Ragnarok just spelled and pronounced with an o instead of an /. --- Sigful User Logic <cite>BurmesePenguin posted [p:976894722] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>My name has an () in it and I find English speakers get it approx right if I tell them its pronounced like the e in fern. As for if thats applicable to old norse I don't actually know because in modern danish Ragnarok just spelled and pronounced with an o instead of an /. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadowLake 10/27/23 6:59:52 PM #20:	The Scandinavian languages are some of the vowel richest ones in the world. So difficult for other languages to copy. --- Teehee! ^.^ <cite>ShadowLake posted [p:976894743] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>The Scandinavian languages are some of the vowel richest ones in the world. So difficult for other languages to copy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rharyx211 10/27/23 8:36:28 PM #21:	Oh, as a follow-up question, are the "r"s at the end of words like Hermr, or Urr, or Baldr silent? Because I'm seeing conflicting answers. --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 <cite>Rharyx211 posted [p:976896261] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Oh, as a follow-up question, are the "r"s at the end of words like Hermr, or Urr, or Baldr silent? Because I'm seeing conflicting answers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/27/23 8:47:04 PM #22:	Were_Wyrm posted... o with the umlaut "Ragnar- o with the umlaut - k" is a very unwieldy phrase. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:976896438] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Were_Wyrm posted... </cite><quote>o with the umlaut</quote>"Ragnar- o with the umlaut - k" is a very unwieldy phrase. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom_Joad 10/27/23 8:51:23 PM #23:	Mtly Crw sy tht prd, "Mw!" --- "History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man. Go go Godzilla!" Godzilla - Blue Oyster Cult <cite>Tom_Joad posted [p:976896502] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Mtly Crw sy tht prd, "Mw!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 10/27/23 9:21:32 PM #24:	Rharyx211 posted... Oh, as a follow-up question, are the "r"s at the end of words like Hermr, or Urr, or Baldr silent? Because I'm seeing conflicting answers. It's a short tapped 'r' Since you mentioned Hr earlier in the topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:H%C3%B6%C3%B0r_(RP).ogg --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:976896861] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Rharyx211 posted... </cite><quote>Oh, as a follow-up question, are the "r"s at the end of words like Hermr, or Urr, or Baldr silent? Because I'm seeing conflicting answers.</quote>It's a short tapped 'r'Since you mentioned Hr earlier in the topic:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:H%C3%B6%C3%B0r_(RP).ogg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rharyx211 10/27/23 10:37:51 PM #25:	UnholyMudcrab posted... It's a short tapped 'r' Since you mentioned Hr earlier in the topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:H%C3%B6%C3%B0r_(RP).ogg By short tapped, it's like a quick flick of the tongue? I've heard the wiki example there, but is that Hr or Hr, since it seems the O letter is different there? --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 <cite>Rharyx211 posted [p:976897849] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>It's a short tapped 'r'Since you mentioned Hr earlier in the topic:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:H%C3%B6%C3%B0r_(RP).ogg</quote>By short tapped, it's like a quick flick of the tongue?I've heard the wiki example there, but is that Hr or Hr, since it seems the O letter is different there? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 10/28/23 1:58:38 AM #26:	Rharyx211 posted... By short tapped, it's like a quick flick of the tongue? I've heard the wiki example there, but is that Hr or Hr, since it seems the O letter is different there? It's the same thing. is the older vowel, and is what it eventually merged into in Old Icelandic. I prefer when writing it out because can give an inaccurate impression of what the pronunciation is supposed to be. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:976899888] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Rharyx211 posted... </cite><quote>By short tapped, it's like a quick flick of the tongue?I've heard the wiki example there, but is that Hr or Hr, since it seems the O letter is different there?</quote>It's the same thing. is the older vowel, and is what it eventually merged into in Old Icelandic. I prefer when writing it out because can give an inaccurate impression of what the pronunciation is supposed to be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rharyx211 10/28/23 1:15:56 PM #27:	Gotcha. So let me see if I got this correct: became , and the Norse pronunciation is more like "ah" -- so something like ragnarok is indeed "ragna-rock." However, the Icelandic pronunciation is "uh." --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 <cite>Rharyx211 posted [p:976905879] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Gotcha. So let me see if I got this correct: became , and the Norse pronunciation is more like "ah" -- so something like ragnarok is indeed "ragna-rock."However, the Icelandic pronunciation is "uh." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlowerGimmick 10/28/23 2:22:45 PM #28:	Rharyx211 posted... the Norse pronunciation is more like "ah" -- so something like ragnarok is indeed "ragna-rock." More like "ragna-ruhk". <cite>FlowerGimmick posted [p:976906794] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>Rharyx211 posted... </cite><quote>the Norse pronunciation is more like "ah" -- so something like ragnarok is indeed "ragna-rock."</quote>More like "ragna-ruhk".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 10/28/23 2:24:18 PM #29:	like a canadian ghost --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:976906817] in How do you... [t:80603615]...</cite> <quote>like a canadian ghost </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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