Current Events > rowling says she would hapilly do prison time over her bigotry

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She got too much money and too much free time

What about some sort of biological definition that amounts to saying that women are biologically female adult humans?

But I'm willing (and would prefer) to have a civil conversation with anyone.

you'd better be able to define what it is to be biologically female and start by leaving your 5th grade biology education at the door

you'd better be able to define what it is to be biologically female and start by leaving your 5th grade biology education at the door

not willing to have a good faith conversation though

Since no one denies their existence. But there are those who deny that trans people really are the gender they identify as, and it's important for pro-trans people to 1) engage with the debate and 2) win the debate.

There is an entire political ideology that wants to deny us our existence.

It is important to seize it and get rid of those who stand in the way.

Debating bigots has never done anything of value.

Defiance and forcing them to shut the fuck up is tried and true.

There is no trans debate,

No one has ever won their rights and legal protections through debate and talking nice.

They've won their rights by persuading the general public.

I will not be reduced to a fucking lapdog for the status quo just to appease a cisheteronormative society that wants us dead.

Even if that would work?

I'm trying to understand your priorities. Suppose enshrining trans rights required you to do something you thought was beneath you, like entertain an opposing perspective in polite dialogue. And suppose that this would actually succeed, and you'll have defeated transphobia if you do this. Would you do it?

It won't work.

There is an entire political ideology that wants to deny us our existence.

It is not important to debate our existence. It is important to seize it and get rid of those who stand in the way. Debating bigots has never done anything of value. Defiance and forcing them to shut the fuck up is tried and true.

There's nothing they can do to take away Rowlings achievements and contributions.

Must be so nice for Apologist to treat someone's civil rights and existence as a spirited debate of ideas given he has no real stake in the matter.

Since no one denies their existence. But there are those who deny that trans people really are the gender they identify as, and it's important for pro-trans people to 1) engage with the debate and 2) win the debate.

Maybe you should try living the life of the people you say haven't put in enough effort for their rights. What if you tried being ridiculed as a groomer and deviant for existing before thinking you know something they don't.

That's a great hypothetical.

Yes, we know. You just want to have a "civil debate" over whether certain people deserve rights. Like telling somebody they haven't done enough to have the right to exist can ever be "civil."

What about some sort of biological definition that amounts to saying that women are biologically female adult humans?

And that definition would be...what exactly?

I just don't think you've put enough effort in to deserve respect.

Maybe you should prove you deserve respect like you think KitKats and AncestralRecall need to prove they deserve rights. Or you can cede the argument because you believe basic respect should be assumed just like everyone other than you thinks the rights of trans individuals should be. Maybe you can do something beneath you, the same what if you demand of others.

I think you mistook them for Apologist. They weren't agreeing with Apologist, they were refuting him, saying there's realistically no point in trying to engage with conversation with hardcore bigots.