Current Events > What would be an example of a utopia? Is it even possible?

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Unless there's some type of "altruism" genotype that mutates over the course of several thousands of years and we freely give of our resources without trying to profit, I don't think it's possible. I can't imagine what type of society that would create? Would we all end up dying because we lack the capacity to be selfish in terms of survival?

What the heck is a perfect society anyway? Maybe being hard wired to be selfish is what's causing all this destruction in this world.

I thought the concept was created specifically to describe something thats impossible to achieve.

A world ruled by me would be a utopia.

Some people have defended selfishness as leading to innovation and creativity, most notably the author Ayn Rand, with her philosophy named objectivism

Infinite space energy food and love

Ivynn posted...

A world ruled by me would be a utopia.

It would be a utopia but not a metopia.

Skankhair posted...

It would be a utopia but not a metopia.

Pokemon gotopia

I doubt it's possible. There's always someone who wants to start shit. Hell, if things were too peaceful and clean, that might end up being me.

Japan, aka my homeland

would a classless, stateless society like in communism be a utopia?

No mental illness no physical suffering no misunderstandings no trolling
a supernatural being would have to provide that and many video games

No, utopia is impossible because of entropy. A utopia would mean immortality, no disease, nothing ever dies. But that's not how reality works.

TyVulpine posted...

No, utopia is impossible because of entropy. A utopia would mean immortality, no disease, nothing ever dies. But that's not how reality works.

But wouldn't accepting the fact that we all eventually die be part of that utopic system?

Utopias are impossible by the very definition of the word.

A society where no animals are ever abused.

The Chaz

lilORANG posted...

The Chaz

The place where people got laptops stolen and then were told that they should deal with it and treat it as "unplanned donation"? And then someone got shot and they wouldn't let the medics inside because they wanted to be escorted by cops for protection? >_> That chaotic shit was wild to witness lol

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to be fair, 3/5 shootings were started outside the Chaz and drove into it after the fact. And sadly, even if it was 5 shootings, thats actually not any more than standard shootings in the area.

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Yeah. Having a utopian like society would probably depend on being a post scarcity society. In which the basics truly are taken care of due to an overabundance of material goods.

There'd still be issues of course, just different

emblem-man posted...

Yeah. Having a utopian like society would probably depend on being a post scarcity society. In which the basics truly are taken care of due to an overabundance of material goods.

There'd still be issues of course, just different

What I find confusing is that we have enough resources to evenly allocate throughout the world's population, yet we put rules on an economic system that should be arbitrary and call it scarcity because people want to be selfish and withhold for profit. We don't have an abundance of goods in the world, but there's enough resources so that everybody doesn't have to suffer. So in that sense, we are sort of living in a post scarcity society or have the potential to.

Iamdepressed posted...

What I find confusing is that we have enough resources to evenly allocate throughout the world's population, yet we put rules on an economic system that should be arbitrary and call it scarcity because people want to be selfish and withhold for profit. We don't have an abundance of goods in the world, but there's enough resources so that everybody doesn't have to suffer. So in that sense, we are sort of living in a post scarcity society or have the potential to.

We're definitely living in a post scarcity world compared to like a hundred years ago or decades ago.

But yeah, I think we can and should be better about distribution of the goods we have, specifically money. Giving people money works really good to actually reduce poverty (increase in child tax credit during COVID significantly lowered child poverty rates).
But...politics you know

Iamdepressed posted...

What I find confusing is that we have enough resources to evenly allocate throughout the world's population, yet we put rules on an economic system that should be arbitrary and call it scarcity because people want to be selfish and withhold for profit. We don't have an abundance of goods in the world, but there's enough resources so that everybody doesn't have to suffer. So in that sense, we are sort of living in a post scarcity society or have the potential to.

We definitely are living in a man-made "scarcity" because of capitalism and greed.

ban the conservative party
restrict guns
tax the rich
regulate businesses
regulate the police
implement universal healthcare
implement universal basic income
implement public infrastructure (including public transport)
provide public education far more funding
derecognise religion

that will get you extremely far in the direction of a utopia

Rika_Furude posted...

ban the conservative party
restrict guns
tax the rich
regulate businesses
regulate the police
implement universal healthcare
implement universal basic income
implement public infrastructure (including public transport)
provide public education far more funding
derecognise religion

that will get you extremely far in the direction of a utopia

In terms of taxing the rich, we should do like Finland does, fine amounts are tied to income level so the rich cant cant just break laws and pay relatively petty fines.

A utopia is unachievable by human means.

DKBananaSlamma posted...

The place where people got laptops stolen and then were told that they should deal with it and treat it as "unplanned donation"? And then someone got shot and they wouldn't let the medics inside because they wanted to be escorted by cops for protection? >_> That chaotic shit was wild to witness lol

Everyone involved with CHOP should have been given lengthy prison sentences.

Rika_Furude posted...

ban the conservative party
restrict guns
tax the rich
regulate businesses
regulate the police
implement universal healthcare
implement universal basic income
implement public infrastructure (including public transport)
provide public education far more funding
derecognise religion

that will get you extremely far in the direction of a utopia

Gotta tax everyone more to be honest, not just the rich

less demand, overabundance of supply
less for you, more for me

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Rika_Furude posted...

ban the conservative party
restrict guns
tax the rich
regulate businesses
regulate the police
implement universal healthcare
implement universal basic income
implement public infrastructure (including public transport)
provide public education far more funding
derecognise religion

that will get you extremely far in the direction of a utopia

lol

No. One person's "utopia" is another person's nightmare.

Much like the concept of perfection in general, it's not something meant to be attained, just to be theorized about and reached toward.

Rika_Furude posted...

ban the conservative party

The backlash from the mere attempt would be hilarious. No, the goal should be to push further left so that the center moves along with it.

Perfected fusion energy, whole world goes green, no more pollution.

Fail safe robots to do all our manual labour, farming and factory work.

Everyone has free education and healthcare.

Guide posted...

The backlash from the mere attempt would be hilarious. No, the goal should be to push further left so that the center moves along with it.

i understand a utopia is not realistic. half measures dont matter in the long run, society will collapse due to climate change anyway

Rika_Furude posted...

i understand a utopia is not realistic. half measures dont matter in the long run, society will collapse due to climate change anyway

I mean if you believe this, why keep caring? Put some garish clown makeup on, do crime and also drugs.

Guide posted...

I mean if you believe this, why keep caring?

i dont

variasuite posted...

lol

Whats wrong with anything they said?

the internet before smartphones

Dark_Arbron posted...

Whats wrong with anything they said?

none of it is likely to ever happen IMO

Rika_Furude posted...

none of it is likely to ever happen IMO

Definitely not, were just talking hypotheticals. Though to be fair many countries do already have some of those things (universal healthcare; somewhat regulated police and business; restricted guns).

Deus EX Invisible war had probably the most realistic (but sci-fi) version of Utopia

MAJOR SPOILERS

One of the endings was that an incredibly powerful AI had merged with a human conciousness. Then that AI that understood humanity took control over the Internet and most technology, then linked with every single human being on Earth

It doesn't mind control them. It just comprehends what every single person on the planet wants/needs and controls society to faciliate the best possible world for the largest amount of people.

About the closest thing I've seen to a techno God.

And yes it's supposed to be somewhat disturbing.

Iain Banks' Culture novels are a relatively grounded take on a sci fi post-scarcity Utopia.

In that they acknowledge that such a state must be maintained, sometimes through war, dirty tricks, and ceding control to machines. And also that it does not suit everyone.

Utopias don't have to be perfect, after all. They just have to be a 'good place'.

I think there's a hunger in man that will never be sated. That constant urge for more, more, more.
You can change the practicalities of society, but how people think and feel? That's a far deeper issue, and one far harder to change.

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I remember they asked for donations for food and explicitly asked to have "vegan options."