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MuscleRobo
10/11/23 2:20:47 PM
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The way people talk about Makima makes me feel like they didn't even read the manga they're just into Chainsawman for the meme of it all.
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AceMos
10/11/23 2:22:02 PM
#52:


MuscleRobo posted...
The way people talk about Makima makes me feel like they didn't even read the manga they're just into Chainsawman for the meme of it all.
i know nothing about the character as ive ignored hte enitre series so pls share some stuff

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Unsuprised_Pika
10/11/23 2:22:55 PM
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AceMos posted...
they are WAY above any of those

the top tiers of sailor moon would curb stomp anything in dragon ball

Except Zeno cuz he can erase entire universes effortlessly. The whole multiverse even.

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A_Good_Boy
10/11/23 2:29:45 PM
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AceMos posted...
and yet hercule can see goku fighting kid buu just fine

there is no proof the Z cast are moving 100000X faster than light

in fact the granloah arc gives proof that they are not that much faster than light
I can't attest to AT's skill as a writer or any subsequent inconsistencies that occur in the series, because that particular issue has long been known and discussed. All I know is that that there are several instances that occur within the show that reinforce the fact that DB character are fast af. Like, Goku vs Jiren where Goku is punching so quickly it looks like he's just merely hunched over and not moving.

https://youtu.be/TZNfI_9JrDU?si=1PSF8K7O2XK1FSFT

Or Goku fighting Jeice, Burter, and Recoome while moving so quickly it looks like he's just standing still.

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Priere
10/11/23 2:49:14 PM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
Except Zeno cuz he can erase entire universes effortlessly. The whole multiverse even.
Sailor Moon has acuasality and ignores existence erasure

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AceMos
10/11/23 2:50:58 PM
#56:


Priere posted...
Sailor Moon has acuasality and ignores existence erasure
and she can regenerate from nothingness

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AceMos
10/11/23 2:57:23 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
I can't attest to AT's skill as a writer or any subsequent inconsistencies that occur in the series, because that particular issue has long been known and discussed. All I know is that that there are several instances that occur within the show that reinforce the fact that DB character are fast af. Like, Goku vs Jiren where Goku is punching so quickly it looks like he's just merely hunched over and not moving.


A_Good_Boy posted...


Or Goku fighting Jeice, Burter, and Recoome while moving so quickly it looks like he's just standing still.


probelm with both of these is they dont really mean anything

we have no comparison to make

it would be like saying "a cheetah is faster than a the color purple"

goku being faster than X dont mean anything as X has no speed to give us context

we fallow the bread crumbs all the way back to roshi vs krillin

as you said no one could see their movements

then later when goku and roshi are fighting at a higher speed

ppl can see it just fine

its all meaningless we have no numbers

dragon ball just says things to sound cool and then ignores it as soon as it becomes a mild inconvenience

lets take thos universe shock waves for example ooh wow it makes goku look so strong

ok but when he is in a stronger form fighting frieza ( a character with no ki control at all) those shock waves dont happen

or when facing rage monster brolly no shock waves

or in super heros where cell max has no brain at all no shock waves

the only way to reconcile this massive plot hole is if goku never had anything to do with the shock waves and its just a result of beerus fighting

goku is alot stronger we are told but we have no idea by how much

the fights are doing less damage to the environment than what we use to get in Z

but but ki control i just debunked the ki control thing with characters that have none

goku still cant even survive in space (this is made very very clear multiple times)

he cant fly between planets or anything


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A_Good_Boy
10/11/23 3:15:11 PM
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Ace, I think you're thinking about the story and the resultant feats way more than AT ever did. He could barely fit a cohesive story together without heavy involvement from an editor and now you insist he shows you the work on his math too? The story is supposed to be cool and that's all that really matters in the end. If the story consistently shows Goku and his friends and his foes moving faster than light, or human perception, or whatever, then just take it at face value because it's a normal occurrence in the show.

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Ratchetrockon
10/11/23 3:18:47 PM
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ill say that i still dont believe the main cast are above 3 dimensional

lately ive seen people say krillin is a 4 dimensional being and that goku is like 6 dimensional. im not sure where this scaling is coming from but its soooo crazy. i refuse to believe it.


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AceMos
10/11/23 3:20:30 PM
#60:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Ace, I think you're thinking about the story and the resultant feats way more than AT ever did. He could barely fit a cohesive story together without heavy involvement from an editor and now you insist he shows you the work on his math too? The story is supposed to be cool and that's all that really matters in the end. If the story consistently shows Goku and his friends and his foes moving faster than light, or human perception, or whatever, then just take it at face value because it's a normal occurrence in the show.
the story constantly shows they are NOT that fast

and if thats how dragon ball is to you why even bother giving it a story

just release nothing but images of ppl punching eachtoehr no names no plot nothing but empty punching

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Uta
10/11/23 3:24:20 PM
#61:


AceMos posted...
i know nothing about the character as ive ignored hte enitre series so pls share some stuff
Major Chainsawman Manga Spoilers. she has absolute power of control over anything and everyone she believes to be beneath her. Any Death Battle against Makima must assume she fears or respects her opponent enough to not auto win. Beyond that, her greatest feat of strength is chaining the power of 10 odd devils together to instantly kill the Gun Devil. She's also functionally immortal.

Even Bigger Spoilers. She is defeated due to Chainsaw's unique ability to permanently erase the concept of any Devil he eats. Also, she fears Chainsaw Devil, due to that power, so she couldn't insta kill him.

Gojo's power of Infinity means any conventional attack cannot work. So that's the "interest" for our death battle. I expect the fight to go something along the lines of Makima attacking Gojo with everything she has and him shrugging it off. He eventually gets the kill, but shocker she comes back and reveals she was just wasting time before bypassing infinity through the power of control. She was looking down on him the whole time. Then Turns him into paste.

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A_Good_Boy
10/11/23 3:25:01 PM
#62:


AceMos posted...
the story constantly shows they are NOT that fast
Except for the several points in the story where it shows that they are lol

AceMos posted...
and if thats how dragon ball is to you why even bother giving it a story

just release nothing but images of ppl punching eachtoehr no names no plot nothing but empty punching
This just reminds me of how Dragon Ball AF was blowing people's minds with just a few still pics.

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A_Good_Boy
10/11/23 3:27:45 PM
#63:


Uta posted...
Even Bigger Spoilers. She is defeated due to Chainsaw's unique ability to permanently erase the concept of any Devil he eats. Also, she fears Chainsaw Devil, due to that power, so she couldn't insta kill him.
I thought she was defeated due to Denji's twisted psyche and convincing himself that he was hurting her out of love and obsession rather than out of malice.

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BroodRyu
10/11/23 3:27:55 PM
#64:


Does death battle still have that one really annoying dude with the grainy voice?
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Uta
10/11/23 3:31:38 PM
#65:


A_Good_Boy posted...
I thought she was defeated due to Denji's twisted psyche and convincing himself that he was hurting her out of love and obsession rather than out of malice.
Kind of? He eats her, one way or another.

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AceMos
10/11/23 3:32:34 PM
#66:


BroodRyu posted...
Does death battle still have that one really annoying dude with the grainy voice?
ok lets not going making fun of ppl for their voice ok

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MorganTJ
10/11/23 3:53:20 PM
#67:


A_Good_Boy posted...
I thought she was defeated due to Denji's twisted psyche and convincing himself that he was hurting her out of love and obsession rather than out of malice.
One of Makimas other abilities is that *Chainsaw Man spoilers* a random Japanese citizen dies in her stead anytime she would die, per her contract with the Japanese government. So realistically, assuming Gojos a Japanese citizen himself, he would eventually end up winning that lottery if he keeps killing her. I dont think he would do that, but Death Battle doesnt make much sense anymore anyways.

Honestly its a weird time to be doing that fight since both characters would have big manga spoilers involved.
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SpiritSephiroth
10/11/23 4:10:43 PM
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So now this topic has turned into a general power creep discussion of various characters lol

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MuscleRobo
10/11/23 4:13:13 PM
#69:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
So now this topic has turned into a general power creep discussion of various characters lol
I feel like all long running battle series have incredible level feats eventually so stuff like Sailor Moon vs Goku vs Power Rangers have no point. What's the difference between tanking a Black Hole or a Blazar? They're all just invincible at that point.
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AceMos
10/11/23 4:24:39 PM
#70:


MuscleRobo posted...
I feel like all long running battle series have incredible level feats eventually so stuff like Sailor Moon vs Goku vs Power Rangers have no point. What's the difference between tanking a Black Hole or a Blazar? They're all just invincible at that point.
power rangers is actually fairly grounded

and as for sailor moon its hte manga version thats stupidly OP

who typically fights eldrich horrors so yea she is fighting things that required that level of power


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MuscleRobo
10/11/23 4:27:24 PM
#71:


AceMos posted...
power rangers is actually fairly grounded

and as for sailor moon its hte manga version thats stupidly OP

who typically fights eldrich horrors so yea she is fighting things that required that level of power

I "graduated" from Power Rangers to Super Sentai but they literally tank black holes and alternate universes collapsing in that; if they kept that in the Power Ranger adaptations I don't know.
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UnfairRepresent
10/11/23 4:31:21 PM
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Anyone who calls Megatron a tactical mastermind has never seen the OG cartoon XD

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A_Good_Boy
10/11/23 4:31:34 PM
#73:


MuscleRobo posted...
I "graduated" from Power Rangers to Super Sentai but they literally tank black holes and alternate universes collapsing in that; if they kept that in the Power Ranger adaptations I don't know.
At least Stupid Rangers is a little more grounded

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AceMos
10/11/23 4:37:04 PM
#74:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Anyone who calls Megatron a tactical mastermind has never seen the OG cartoon XD
see hasbro has been trying to force later incarnations of megatron on to G1 megatron

in particular they love to try and make G1 megatron the tatical genius beast wars megatron was

even thoe G1 megatron was a incompetent baffoon do to his status as a 80s villain

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Ratchetrockon
10/11/23 4:46:44 PM
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i prefer street-level character battles since they seem less tainted by that dimensional scaling stuff, but even they are tainted by people scaling characters too high. For instance, Geralt is wanked massively across all stats and it seems to be a result of some fans misinterpreting the novels.

For ex: certain fans believe this passage is proof that he moves faster than sound. particularly the "two metallic clangs merging into one" portion. They believe that he blocked both attacks before "sound could travel". To me, the author was just showing that Geralt blocked both attacks in a fast enough time span that the sounds of the sword clashes resonated with each other. Like im pretty sure you can replicate this sound effect by banging on two metal containers at relatively the same time and this doesn't involve faster-than-sound movement. Am I not reading it correctly? I feel like i'm being gaslighted to believe certain things sometimes and it makes my head hurt. Idk what do you guys think? this has been bothering me for a while now and this seems like a good opportunity to finally bring it up.

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A_Good_Boy
10/11/23 4:51:30 PM
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It sounds like he parried both swords quickly. I don't see anything that suggests he's moving faster than sound.

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Rika_Furude
10/11/23 5:03:09 PM
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Metal vibration noises last multiple seconds. He could parry one attack, and then 5 seconds later parry the second and you would still hear both
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Ratchetrockon
10/11/23 5:37:36 PM
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ok thanks for the replies guys I just had to be sure i wasn't reading it wrong. i also think he's moving superhumanly fast but of course not breaking the sound barrier. =]


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008Zulu
10/11/23 5:42:28 PM
#82:


Ratchetrockon posted...
Ain't no way way frieza is this fast wtf!!!.
DB has always had a poor relation with physics.

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potdnewb
10/11/23 5:42:48 PM
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no rapping much disappoint

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Tyranthraxus
10/11/23 5:48:11 PM
#84:


008Zulu posted...
DB has always had a poor relation with physics.
If anyone in Dragon ball was as fast as Death battle said they were there would be no need for projectile attacks. You could literally cross the distance between you and whoever no matter where they are and punch them faster.

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A_Good_Boy
10/11/23 6:24:47 PM
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Death Battle was also being fairly modest with its description of Frieza's strength too. It brought up how he was rag dolled by Broly for an hour, but in the latest chapters he should be stronger than the Broly that beat his ass. Broly was capable of punching so hard it broke holes through reality, and Black Frieza should be capable of doing the same since he's even stronger. So Frieza moving faster than light is just child's play by now.

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BroodRyu
10/11/23 8:15:19 PM
#86:


AceMos posted...
ok lets not going making fun of ppl for their voice ok
Hes not annoying because of his gritty voice. He tries too hard and becomes annoying.
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008Zulu
10/12/23 12:12:14 AM
#87:


Tyranthraxus posted...
If anyone in Dragon ball was as fast as Death battle said they were there would be no need for projectile attacks. You could literally cross the distance between you and whoever no matter where they are and punch them faster.
Most of them are faster than projectiles these days, yet they still use them.

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Priere
10/12/23 8:58:39 AM
#88:


AceMos posted...
ok lets not going making fun of ppl for their voice ok
His pretend voice that he uses for the character?

Thats fair game all day, every day.

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