Current Events > Fox News reporting >40 babies decapitated in Israel. Is this real or not?

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FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

My focus on this subject only came from the President making the statement on global TV yesterday, which to me was enough at the time.

Yeah. Until they walked it back and said, "No, he didn't see it." But nobody is going to read that. Not on the scale of the video clip of Biden saying he saw it.

The biggest microphone in the world spread the lie, and that's going to be enough for public opinion to not even care what Israel does to Palestine next.

Shadow_Don posted...

You people understand that Hamas is probably going to behead hostages and broadcast that to the entire world in the coming days?

Let them. We have intelligence agencies that can identify where and when it happened, and then eliminate any remaining Hamas in that space.

But even that wouldn't bring the same response, politically or emotionally, as the lie of 40 beheaded babies.

It didn't when terrorists beheaded Daniel Pearl. Pakistan isn't glass. We didn't justify and engage in systemic genocide because of it.

But the lie the journalist repeated that the IDF refused to confirm that the White House lied about until it didn't that got repeated on every news network across the globe? It gives Israel the cache to do things like, as asked above of the former prime minister who said he didn't care, turn off the incubators for Palestinian babies.

Too many people are willing to handwave it away, "Because other atrocities," as if they don't get how visceral the difference in the truth and lie is and what the consequences of that handwaving will do. And that needs to be addressed and corrected in the strongest and loudest language possible.

Shadow_Don posted...

Uh what? Yea when a family gets gunned down in a corner that probably implies babies getting murdered. Whats the controversy?

"real" horrors? The fuck does that mean? Yea those murdered Israeli children must have experienced fake horros instead.

You're just deliberately missing the point now.

there is no moral difference between personally killing someone with your bare hands vs drone striking them, to make the distinction with two extreme ends where one is very personal and the other is very impersonal

both are bad. hamas killing civilians is bad. the israeli military killing civilians is bad, even if it's in relatiation to their own dead civilians. I honestly can't believe grown adults can have a different opinion. we've been propagandized to absolve military actions of any moral questions for some reason. if you can't see the tragedy that's happening here and only see a just retaliation to some horrific actions rather than a horrific response to horrific actions then idk what to say. maybe there just aren't enough mirror neurons to go around in the world

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Which is funny because it only goes to strengthen our point. They're going to broadcast beheadings, but yet there is still not a single photo or video on the internet of one of these decapitated babies.

DnDer posted...

You're just deliberately missing the point now.

Theres literally no point in distinguishing between children being beheaded by a sword or by the fire of an ak47 while hiding in a corner. Holding the trigger down and pumping multiple 7.62x39mm rounds into a childs skull until it explodes like a watermelon is beheading a child.

Sorry if that offends you.

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Yea. They will. Because Hamas is a terrorist group.

You just conflated the Palestinian people with Hamas. You're the one that did that. Not me.

Shadow_Don posted...

Theres literally no point in distinguishing between children being beheaded by a sword or by the fire of an ak47 while hiding in a corner. Holding the trigger down and pumping multiple 7.62x39mm rounds into a childs skull until it explodes like a watermelon is beheading a child.

Sorry if that offends you.

Putting a sword to a babys neck is incredibly more personal than spraying an entire room with an assault rifle. They are both evil acts, but it takes a lot less restraint to fire a gun blindly than it does to hover over a baby with a sword and use it.

Shadow_Don posted...

Yea. They will. Because Hamas is a terrorist group.

You just conflated the Palestinian people with Hamas. You're the one that did that. Not me.

Literally thats all you guys have been doing with every single one of your shitposts justifying force against Palestinians for what Hamas has done.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Putting a sword to a babys neck is incredibly more personal than spraying an entire room with an assault rifle. They are both evil acts, but it takes a lot less restraint to fire a gun blindly than it does to hover over a baby with a sword and use it.

yea cool you can die on that hill you freak

Shadow_Don posted...

yea cool you can die on that hill you freak

Why the fuck do you think stab sprees in countries that banned guns are still far lower than shooting sprees in countries like ours?

I don't think anyone is disputing that hamas has killed children

the dispute is on the unconfirmed news that hamas purposely rounded up a bunch of babies and beheaded them, which invokes a very different set of emotions

the israeli military has killed and is going to keep killing even more children than hamas ever did/will. but that's different for some reason

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Literally thats all you guys have been doing with every single one of your shitposts justifying force against Palestinians for what Hamas has done.

Netanyahu is a far right fascist and he is going to potentially murder thousands or even hundreds of thousands.

Israel is solely to blame for the apartheid state conditions they enforce on the innocent people of Palestine.

Israel is not justified in their disproportionate response to these events.

Are you confused by the fact that my stance is the exact opposite of what you are saying?

I am confused then, yes, because your arguing is all over the place and makes it look like you are concern trolling. Pick a side and stick with it.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Why the fuck do you think stab sprees in countries that banned guns are still far lower than shooting sprees in countries like ours?

I don't support the economic and political situation in the US lmfao

SayHeyyShohei posted...

I am confused then, yes, because your arguing is all over the place and makes it look like you are concern trolling. Pick a side and stick with it.

I'm a leftist who is against moron leftists who are trying to excuse the actions of Hamas as legitimate revolutionary action or are very confused and trying to downplay it.

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Show me the lie.

Literally the worst mistake you can make in a bad situation is immediately responding while youre still angry.

We have 22 years of evidence that we fucked up when presented with 9/11. So much that we literally handed over the keys to Afghanistan to the same people.

divot1338 posted...

Literally the worst mistake you can make in a bad situation is immediately responding while youre still angry.

We have 22 years of evidence that we fucked up when presented with 9/11. So much that we literally handed over the keys to Afghanistan to the same people.

I have heard a lot of people literally say "would you have asked america to show restraint after 9/11?"
like uhhhh yeaaaah duhhhh lmao. didn't we see how that turned out?

Shadow_Don posted...

I'm a leftist who is against moron leftists who are trying to excuse the actions of Hamas as legitimate revolutionary action or are very confused and trying to downplay it.

Then you're looking for this other thread, where a bunch of numpties did just that. I don't see anyone here trying to excuse or downplay the horrors Hamas has committed.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80590207

Is there a way the US can stay out of this and let Israel handle their own shit? Or do we owe them?

Shadow_Don posted...

I don't support the economic and political situation in the US lmfao

Because clearly that's what I asked you. And this is why you wonder why people are confused by your concern trolling.

Shadow_Don posted...

I'm a leftist who is against moron leftists who are trying to excuse the actions of Hamas as legitimate revolutionary action or are very confused and trying to downplay it.

Who the fuck is doing this?

You being a leftist here is as believable as Tony Kojima claiming to vote democrat. This is just sad.

Tbh I think this is more of a case of Chinese whispers than an actual attempt at propaganda.

Pretty much everywhere sources this article as their claim

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1696938010-it-smells-of-death-here-surveying-the-scenes-of-atrocities-in-kfar-aza

Soldiers encounter unimaginable horrors as they remove the bodies of victims, including about 40 babies and small children some with their heads chopped off

Over time as this went through different outlets and journalists this became 40 decapitated babies. It's not even impossible that this report itself was conflating 40 bodies found with some being babies and some having their heads chopped off.

Of course it's not impossible places like Fox News and the IDF have done this on purpose. But stuff like this happens on the internet all the time for dumber shit.

Of course propaganda does exist. But generally the aim is to justify invading a country to save children. Israel most certainly does not care about the lives of Palestinian children considering how many have already died.

Regardless I don't think this specific detail changes anything about the conflict.

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I said Hamas is going to execute people. You lied and implied that I meant all Palestinian people when its fucking obvious I wasn't.

DnDer posted...

Then you're looking for this other thread, where a bunch of numpties did just that. I don't see anyone here trying to excuse or downplay the horrors Hamas has committed.

"b-but they probably didn't use a sword! that means something!" - in response to beheaded children

Shadow_Don posted...

"b-but they probably didn't use a sword! that means something!" - in response to beheaded children

FFS.

You've decided to entirely stop paying attention? Okay. Cool.

DnDer posted...

FFS.

You've decided to entirely stop paying attention? Okay. Cool.

He's concern trolling. Mark them and move on.

Jfc you can jusy say wtf the government of Israel lied to us about that. Well I cant support that part

and then go on with your life as it was before you heard a bunch of bullshit about beheaded babies. This was literally a get out of jail free card and you fucked it up.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Because clearly that's what I asked you. And this is why you wonder why people are confused by your concern trolling.

I'm not concern trolling. Yea I'm heated right now but I seriously just did not understand your question.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Why the fuck do you think stab sprees in countries that banned guns are still far lower than shooting sprees in countries like ours?

The political and economic situation is probably the explanation for this and I don't support the political and economic situation of the US. I would want to enact left-leaning policies that I believe would alleviate the problem of mass shootings.

Shadow_Don posted...

The political and economic situation is probably the explanation for this and I don't support the political and economic situation of the US. I would want to enact left-leaning policies that I believe would alleviate the problem of mass shootings.

It has been studied for over a century and demonstrably proven that homicides involving a gun and homicides involving a blade are very much different. The psychology alone is completely different in the minds of the killers, and the statistics have backed up that murders involving guns versus murders involving knives in countries where the majority of which dictate their homicides have a significant difference in occurrence. In other words, countries with guns dominating their homicides versus countries with knives or other type weapins dominating their homicides, the murders per capita involving the guns are always higher than the latter.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

It has been studied for over a century and demonstrably proven that homicides involving a gun and homicides involving a blade are very much different.

This is a very fair point and I agree.

But your typically gun violence that we see in America (excluding mass shooting scenarios) is not the same as the attack on Israel where families where gunned down in homes.

Botched robberies and gang violence are different than crimes of passion where knives are involved. But gunning down children in homes is also very different that botched robberies.

divot1338 posted...

Literally the worst mistake you can make in a bad situation is immediately responding while youre still angry.

We have 22 years of evidence that we fucked up when presented with 9/11. So much that we literally handed over the keys to Afghanistan to the same people.

Heres the problem with your response as it pertains to this situation. This is the equivalent of someone walking up to you and giving you the 1-2 suckerpunch and then kicking you while are down, and the expectation is for you to just sit there until they are done assuming you live through it, only to see that their actions go unpunished.

Now I get that Hamas makes the exact same argument about Israel, I really do. The cycle of violence idea is not lost on me. And I am not suggesting that you come back with a baseball bat and cave his skull in two, but you arent going to simply say oh well and walk away.

Now in said scenario, both the Palestinians and Israelis actually have common ground. Because they both feel that their oppressor is hiding behind their rich daddies whose lawyers keep bailing the criminals out from facing justice. And one thing we know from history, people generally want to make sure justice occurs when they are wronged.

I just dont know how you handle that when one side is literally hiding behind human shields. I dont think walking away is a reasonable option for Israel. Its not fair to the victims and their families, and it invites future events.

Shadow_Don posted...

This is a very fair point and I agree.

But your typically gun violence that we see in America (excluding mass shooting scenarios) is not the same as the attack on Israel where families where gunned down in homes.

Botched robberies and gang violence are different than crimes of passion where knives are involved. But gunning down children in homes is also very different that botched robberies.

Again, the studied psychology of homicide has shown that spraying an entire room filled with innocents takes a lot less restraint than someone putting a sword to a baby's neck. At least when it comes to the act of homicide.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Heres the problem with your response as it pertains to this situation. This is the equivalent of someone walking up to you and giving you the 1-2 suckerpunch and then kicking you while are down, and the expectation is for you to just sit there until they are done assuming you live through it, only to see that their actions go unpunished.

No one is suggesting that Israel just sit there and take it. Certainly not me.

Im very clearly saying that acting while youre still angry and emotional is guaranteed to make things much worse.

This would be more like if

you come back with a baseball bat and cave his skull in two, but you arent going to simply say oh well and walk away.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Again, the studied psychology of homicide has shown that spraying an entire room filled with innocents takes a lot less restraint than someone putting a sword to a baby's neck. At least when it comes to the act of homicide.

the mistake you are making is comparing war crimes and terrorism with the typical homicide/murder

Shadow_Don posted...

the mistake you are making is comparing war crimes and terrorism with the typical homicide/murder

Do you know why it was easier to convince Nazi soldiers to gas jews than it was to shoot them in a firing squad? It's the same damn concept.

War crimes are not immune to any shred of of self imposed empathy from the attacker's perspective. You are literally arguing with centuries of studied psychology.

hyperpowder posted...

If the terrorist left the babies laying there to die, that would still be super fucked up. But that extra step and effort to behead someone is what elevates it beyond just evil.

"Beyond just evil" is such a pointless distinction.

People have now been spending days trying to argue which evil is not quite as evil as the other evil, how not all murder of innocent adults and children is equally as bad and deplorable. We've lost our fucking minds.

And this is why misinformation propaganda is so effective.

First you got someone outraged because of something of horribly bad.
Then after the facts comes out and things weren't as bad as it initially reported, people who already outraged won't backed down and choose to double down instead because they won't admit that they're given wrong information.

Shadow_Don posted...

Theres literally no point in distinguishing between children being beheaded by a sword or by the fire of an ak47 while hiding in a corner.

Or shutting off power so those in ICUs die. Or leveling entire neighborhoods and killing dozens of children in a matter of seconds. No difference between these circumstances. Barbarism is barbarism.

Love that a bunch of people ITT crapped on the Grayzone but no one refuted the coverage. CNN, Biden, congressmen, the rest of the media media, all repeated the claim with zero evidence.

Now it's clear that it came from the IDF, who lie routinely about the horrors they commit and spread racist narratives about Palestinians in order to dehumanize them and get excused for their actions.

Which is exactly what they did and it worked. Everyone heard Biden say he say pictures of beheaded babies, no one heard the white house clarifying afterwards. People are still spreading this lie and using it to justify ethnic cleansing.

Classic, really.

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Totally clears Hamas, thank you!

Are the babies less murdered because there's no proof they were beheaded?

McMarbles posted...

Totally clears Hamas, thank you!

Are the babies less murdered because there's no proof they were beheaded?

The point is beheading is a deliberate act that promotes a specific emotional response, and that's why it was put forward in connection with every effort to excuse Israel for what they're doing/about to do. In reality yes, killing babies is the worst thing you can do, no matter how you do it, but there's been a long history of people reacting genocidally to allegations that the other side bayoneted babies, took them out of incubators, smashed them on the floor etc. People universally react differently to those kind of things and you know that.

This is not to clear Hamas. What interest does anyone here have in supporting a terrorist group? My interest here is in accurate information, thinking rationally, and not supporting a genocide in progress based on unsourced, unconfirmed allegations.

You are reacting in a hysterical post 9/11 mindset, where you view anyone who calls for rationality, caution, humanity, or even just accurate info is called a terrorist sympathizer.

legendary_zell posted...

The point is beheading is a deliberate act that promotes a specific emotional response, and that's why it was put forward in connection with every effort to excuse Israel for what they're doing/about to do. In reality yes, killing babies is the worst thing you can do, no matter how you do it, but there's been a long history of people reacting genocidally to allegations that the other side bayoneted babies, took them out of incubators, smashed them on the floor etc. People universally react differently to those kind of things and you know that.

This is not to clear Hamas. What interest does anyone here have in supporting a terrorist group? My interest here is in accurate information, thinking rationally, and not supporting a genocide in progress based on unsourced, unconfirmed allegations.

You are reacting in a hysterical post 9/11 mindset, where you view anyone who calls for rationality, caution, humanity, or even just accurate info is called a terrorist sympathizer.

Well put

legendary_zell posted...

The point is beheading is a deliberate act that promotes a specific emotional response, and that's why it was put forward in connection with every effort to excuse Israel for what they're doing/about to do. In reality yes, killing babies is the worst thing you can do, no matter how you do it, but there's been a long history of people reacting genocidally to allegations that the other side bayoneted babies, took them out of incubators, smashed them on the floor etc. People universally react differently to those kind of things and you know that.

This is not to clear Hamas. What interest does anyone here have in supporting a terrorist group? My interest here is in accurate information, thinking rationally, and not supporting a genocide in progress based on unsourced, unconfirmed allegations.

You are reacting in a hysterical post 9/11 mindset, where you view anyone who calls for rationality, caution, humanity, or even just accurate info is called a terrorist sympathizer.

Yep. People might be more open to falling for this shit if we didn't already get swept up by the hysteria once with 9/11. Most of us grew up during that. Fool me once etc