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brestugo
10/09/23 11:33:06 AM
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https://apnews.com/article/rfk-jr-presidential-campaign-independent-2024-30d940109c4956de9c81f332ec418463

Anti-vaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is expected to announce Monday that he will drop his Democratic bid for president and run as an independent or third-party candidate, adding a new wrinkle to a 2024 race currently heading toward a rematch between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump.

Kennedys campaign has teased the announcement in the days leading up to a Monday afternoon speech in Philadelphia. In a recent video, Kennedy said there is corruption in the leadership of both political parties and said he wants to rewrite the assumptions and change the habits of American politics.

The video came shortly after Mediaite reported he planned to launch an independent bid.

A member of one of Americas most famous Democratic families, the 69-year-old Kennedy was running a long-shot Democratic primary bid but has better favorability ratings among Republicans. Its unclear whether GOP support would translate to a general election when Kennedy would also be running against Trump, the early front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination.

Allies of both Biden, a Democrat, and Trump have at times questioned whether Kennedy would be a spoiler against their candidate.

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Questionmarktarius
10/09/23 11:48:05 AM
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Could we actually see a 3rd-party candidate that sucks up votes from both sides?
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Humble_Novice
10/09/23 11:52:38 AM
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2023/10/07/heres-why-trumps-team-appears-worried-about-rfk-jrs-presidential-bid/?sh=674399d4317d
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4242763-an-rfk-jr-third-party-run-would-hurt-trump-while-building-upon-his-2016-success/
https://themessenger.com/politics/could-an-independent-bid-by-rfk-jr-spoil-a-donald-trump-candidacy

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s0nicfan
10/09/23 11:54:31 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/8/AABJX0AAE6m-.jpg

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creativerealms
10/09/23 11:54:53 AM
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Good. He will only help Biden this way.

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brestugo
10/09/23 11:58:07 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Could we actually see a 3rd-party candidate that sucks up votes from both sides?

IMO, Cornel West will draw more left votes.

The interesting thing is, apparently some (most?) states only allow a person to sign a petition for one person per cycle to get on the ballot.

RFK Jr running independent and West running independent puts them in direct competition for ballot access in some states.

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Humble_Novice
10/09/23 12:04:40 PM
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https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/cornel-west-rfk-jr-biden-democrats/

Joe Biden has finally caught a break. Since the messy end of the American occupation of Afghanistan in 2021, both his presidency and his reelection chances have seemed dangerously fragile. Although the American public long ago lost its appetite for continued intervention in Afghanistan, the ugly images of the triumphant Taliban and fleeing refugees undermined faith in Bidens competence.

The impression of a presidency that had lost control was deepened by persistent inflation, media attention to Bidens ageat 77, Trump is only three years youngerand division in the party (particularly the sabotaging of Bidens agenda by conservative Democrats like Joe Manchin, who is threatening to leave the party, and Kyrsten Sinema, who has already left the party). Bidens attempt to reanimate his base with student debt relief was undermined by the Supreme Court. No wonder his approval ratings are anemic (hovering between 38 percent and 44 percent since the fall of 2021). A CNN poll last month also showed that 67 percent of voters who are Democrats or Democrat-leaning would prefer that someone other than Biden serve as the partys nominee.

Biden has two things going for him that ensure hell be the nomineeand also, despite everything, still has a decent shot at reelection. The first is that mainstream Democratic elected officials, ranging from Bernie Sanders on the left to Joe Manchin on the right, have consolidated around him (although Manchin might still run in the presidential race as an independent candidate for No Labels, a centrist spoiler movement). The only challenges to Biden have come from long-shot insurgents: the best-selling author Marianne Williamson and the lawyer-activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. In addition to these two Democratic rivals, the academic-activist Cornel West has launched a presidential campaign to run as a third-party candidate.

The second factor Biden has going for him is that, far from harvesting anti-Biden sentiment, two of these insurgent campaigns are heading into the political wilderness. West is having a hard time settling on a political party to serve as a vehicle for his ambitions to reenergize the left. He started off as a candidate for the minuscule Peoples Party (which had little or no ability to get a presidential candidate on the ballot), then moved to the Green Party (which has had a record of being able to secure ballot access in a critical mass of states), and finally, on Thursday, announced that he is simply running as an independent. Over the last few weeks, Robert Kennedy has also been indicating an intent to run as an independent, while also flirting with the idea of running as a candidate with the Libertarian Party.

Both West and Kennedy are retreating from the one path they have to really influence national power: showing that there is a vibrant left opposition to Biden inside the Democratic Party. Williamson is still in the fightbut so far she has failed to gain any traction. Her poll numbers among Democratic primary voters have, to date, plateaued at 4 percent. Kennedy had three times that support; still low, but a stronger beachhead. As Kennedy leaves the field, Williamson has another opportunity to make her pitch.

The latest moves of West and Kennedy, for better or worse, strengthen Bidens stranglehold on left-of-center American politics. While we can welcome the fact that Biden now has a stronger shot at winning reelection, needed internal debate within the Democratic Party will now be stifled.

In a cogent July 6 editorial for The Nation, editor D.D. Guttenplan and magazine president Bhaskar Sunkara made the case that West should take over the mantle of Bernie Sanders as the left opposition within the Democratic presidential primary. The logic was clear: West is a visionary thinker, a compelling orator, and has a sharp critique of Biden-style centrism. West was in good position to raise the salience of all the issues Biden prefers to paper over or ignore.

The editorial argued, Instead of taking his bat and ball and retreating to the margins, we believe West should seek out the truly national stage that running as a Democrat would bring. Instead of letting Robert F. Kennedy Jr. leverage his family nameand his following as an anti-vaccine crusaderinto an ersatz challenge from the left, West should mount a real one, offering the radical solutions hes always championed, including on war and peace, and which we believe this country desperately needs.

Unfortunately, politicians rarely heed sensible editorial advice, and West, in addition to all the other hats he wears, is now a politician. Hes also well on the road toward further marginalization. Running as an independent candidate without a party, West faces an impossibly steep path to gain relevance. The American political system is already rigged against third parties, let alone candidates running without a party. Its quite possible that West will fail to be on any ballots at all. His presidential run feels increasingly Quixotic and confused. Its a sad turn for an activist who, if he tried to mobilize the voters in the Democratic Party who want a change, could still have a massive impact on national politics.

Liberals who worried that West might be a spoiler, along the supposed lines of previous Green Party candidates Ralph Nader in 2000 and Jill Stein in 2016, can rest easier.

But the great liberal fear of spoiler candidates was always overblown. The effect of third-party left-wing candidates is complicated and ambiguous. There is no decisive proof that Stein cost Hillary Clinton the 2016 election, and Democrats would be far better served by working to activate demobilized voters rather than complaining about spoilers.

Indeed, one could just as plausibly argue that, rather than stealing votes from the Democratic candidates, radical challengers mobilize alienated nonvoters, whom Democrats then have a chance to win over if they make the effort (as Biden did in 2020 by partially adopting Sanderss pledge to forgive student loan debt).

One problem with the liberal spoiler narrative is that it ignores the fact that both Republicans and Democrats often face third-party rivals. The size of Bill Clintons Electoral College victories in 1992 and 1996 was surely due to Ross Perots Reform Party run. The libertarians have been a persistent splinter force on the right for decades.

If Kennedy does run on the Libertarian Party line, theres a real chance that hell siphon off votes from Trump rather than Biden. In The Washington Post, Aaron Blake observed that, while Kennedy is a lifelong Democrat from the countrys preeminent Democratic family, there is plenty of reason to believe that a third-party bid could hurt Donald Trump more than Biden. This is because Kennedy, despite his longtime environmentalist activism, is now much more associated with his anti-vaxxing position, which resonates more with GOP voters.

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Humble_Novice
10/09/23 12:05:46 PM
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Blake notes that Republicans like Kennedy a heck of a lot more than Democrats do. That was true pretty shortly after he launched his campaign in April, and the gap has now grown into a chasm. The latest polling from Quinnipiac University shows that Republicans like Kennedy by a 30-point margin, 48 percent favorable to 18 percent unfavorable.

Democrats, meanwhile, have developed an overwhelming distaste. The Quinnipiac poll shows just 14 percent have a favorable opinion of him, compared with 57 percent who have an unfavorable one.

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steve_madsci
10/09/23 12:10:03 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Could we actually see a 3rd-party candidate that sucks up votes from both sides?
Do you not remember Perot?
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Questionmarktarius
10/09/23 12:13:19 PM
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steve_madsci posted...
Do you not remember Perot?
Perot sucked votes from GHWB way more than Clinton.
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Kradek
10/09/23 12:16:18 PM
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So is West

https://apnews.com/article/cornel-west-president-independent-green-party-2024-57dd7dbc0bccc10ea866005663398823

Questionmarktarius posted...
Could we actually see a 3rd-party candidate that sucks up votes from both sides?

Dem support for RFK is like 14%, so some, sure, however he was only polling so well because of Repub voters and right-wing media boosting him.

Very likely he takes far more from Trump.

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brestugo
10/09/23 12:17:47 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Perot sucked votes from GHWB way more than Clinton.

He kind of energized some people that were just "out there" too. I don't know what they could be called.

Populism, but nothing like the MAGA thing. More like "just run everything like a corporation". That was a weird movement.

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Tyranthraxus
10/09/23 12:18:12 PM
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brestugo posted...
IMO, Cornel West will draw more left votes.
The only votes Cornel will draw are with crayon on his pre school "I'm the president!" Coloring book.

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steve_madsci
10/09/23 12:23:49 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Perot sucked votes from GHWB way more than Clinton.
Which votes? The economic conservatives that were furious at Bush for raising taxes and were never going to vote for him in a million years? Perot also was to the left of Bush on most social issues; this was the nineties, democratic voters were "economic conservative/socially liberal" which is where Perot was.

If Perot didn't run those votes weren't going to Bush, Clinton would have just beat Bush even harder
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Humble_Novice
10/09/23 1:21:09 PM
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https://twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/status/1711425808806342737

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Tyranthraxus
10/09/23 1:25:29 PM
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Really looking forward to seeing a Biden, Kennedy, and Trump 3 way debate

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brestugo
10/09/23 1:38:09 PM
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Humble_Novice posted...
https://twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/status/1711425808806342737

SHOOK

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Kradek
10/09/23 1:53:54 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Really looking forward to seeing a Biden, Kennedy, and Trump 3 way debate

I predict it would just be RFK and Trump teaming up on Biden.

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ClayGuida
10/09/23 1:57:56 PM
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https://twitter.com/LucasHoltz__/status/1711438845516939473?t=8YAS-BJUc1eQ627hQ1MzAw&s=19

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CoyoteTheGreat
10/09/23 1:59:23 PM
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brestugo posted...
IMO, Cornel West will draw more left votes.

The interesting thing is, apparently some (most?) states only allow a person to sign a petition for one person per cycle to get on the ballot.

RFK Jr running independent and West running independent puts them in direct competition for ballot access in some states.

Cornel West has some respectability as one of the most prominent black intellectuals of our time (a time without that many prominent intellectuals to begin with). RFK Jr is a failson of an awful political dynasty that has most of its worshippers already dead of old age. But the media is giving him far too much oxygen.

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mystic_belmont
10/09/23 2:17:11 PM
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RFK was obviously prodded into running, with the thought he'd pull Democrats voters.

I'm loving that the exact opposite is occurring.

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loafy013
10/09/23 2:20:44 PM
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Humble_Novice posted...
https://twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/status/1711425808806342737
So does that mean they're dropping his speaking spot at CPAC?

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masterpug53
10/09/23 2:23:15 PM
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Ah yes, the 'radical Democrat' known mostly for being a post-Covid anti-vaxxer. Good luck getting that to stick.

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brestugo
10/09/23 2:34:21 PM
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CoyoteTheGreat posted...
Cornel West has some respectability as one of the most prominent black intellectuals of our time (a time without that many prominent intellectuals to begin with). RFK Jr is a failson of an awful political dynasty that has most of its worshippers already dead of old age. But the media is giving him far too much oxygen.

Yeah, not sure what happened with Cornel. There was a period between like 1995-2000 where he was a major academic whose opinion was sought on almost everything related to domestic politics. Had some very forward thinking and very progressive ideas.

IMO, he changed after Obama was elected. I hear he wanted some kind of "upper middle" position in the Obama Administration, and when that wasn't going to happen, he started down this current path. Also heard he was disappointed about his seating at the Inauguration.

He had some personal scandals with at least one grad student getting pregnant (which wrecked his marriage) and other shit around that time too.

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BewmHedshot
10/09/23 2:45:19 PM
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Isn't it curious how we only hear about these wacko independent candidates when a Democratic President is the incumbent?
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Kradek
10/09/23 3:56:20 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
Ah yes, the 'radical Democrat' known mostly for being a post-Covid anti-vaxxer. Good luck getting that to stick.

Who spouts Putin/Russia propaganda. Can't forget that aspect of him.

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littlebro07
10/09/23 4:05:21 PM
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Read that as RDJ Jr and got very confused

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Thermador446
10/09/23 4:06:23 PM
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He's running as a POS

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Tyranthraxus
10/09/23 4:07:34 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
Read that as RDJ Jr and got very confused
Robert Downey Junior Junior

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Heineken14
10/09/23 4:10:35 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Really looking forward to seeing a Biden, Kennedy, and Trump 3 way debate


If Donnie even decides to show up.

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BewmHedshot
10/09/23 4:28:02 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
If Donnie even decides to show up.
And Kennedy even qualifies
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brestugo
10/09/23 4:53:05 PM
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BewmHedshot posted...
And Kennedy even qualifies

Yeah, I'm sure there will be some kind of threshold he'll have to meet.

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mystic_belmont
10/10/23 9:48:21 AM
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brestugo posted...
Yeah, I'm sure there will be some kind of threshold he'll have to meet.

I think it's 15%.

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brestugo
10/10/23 10:18:09 AM
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mystic_belmont posted...
I think it's 15%.

That's kind of steep for basically a single issue candidate. If he gets those numbers, they will come directly from Trump, which others have pointed out.

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Patriotwolf
10/10/23 10:27:11 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/8/AABJX0AAE6m-.jpg

This is why the world laughs at us. Sheep are content with only the two options

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Pitbuller_26
10/10/23 10:34:48 AM
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CoyoteTheGreat posted...
Cornel West has some respectability as one of the most prominent black intellectuals of our time (a time without that many prominent intellectuals to begin with). RFK Jr is a failson of an awful political dynasty that has most of its worshippers already dead of old age. But the media is giving him far too much oxygen.

Cornel West's momentum, if he had any, was permanently stopped when it was revealed he owed a crapton of money in back taxes and unpaid child support.

RFK Jr. keeps getting roasted by his own family and the Kennedy's still hold some political sway. Not as much in the past but enough to sink one of their own.
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