Board 8 > Most Evil Fictional Character: Homelander vs. Yawgmoth

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Welcome to the 2023 edition of Most Evil Fictional Character, a single-elimination tournament to determine the most evil fictional character of all time!

Here's the bracket:

https://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=477621&tclass=

And here's the discussion topic:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80568652

And here are the rules:

-First and foremost, YOU MUST BOLD YOUR VOTE FOR IT TO COUNT. The reason for this is that these topics encourage a lot of discussion and debate, and it helps me to distinguish a vote from simple discussion if all votes are bolded. So, I state again, ALL VOTES MUST BE BOLDED FOR THEM TO COUNT. I reserve the right to be lenient in early topics if people just aren't getting it, but for the most part, IF YOUR VOTE ISN'T BOLDED, IT WON'T COUNT.

-You must vote for which of the two characters you honestly believe to be the more evil of the two. You can determine this via any method you like, use your own morals and judgement, read all the arguments made to determine your choice, or however you choose to make your pick, but you must only vote for the one you truly believe is the most evil. This isn't a death battle, or a popularity contest. You're voting ONLY for the most evil character out of the two choices presented.

-While on that subject, remember that because this isn't a death battle or a fighting tournament, do your absolute best to consider the two characters as if their power levels were equal (either the weaker character brought up to the level of the strongest, or vice versa, or both if you want to consider both possibilities). Therefore, just because, for example, one of the characters blew up a planet and the other one merely kicked a puppy, doesn't necessarily mean the planet killer is more evil than the puppy kicker. Consider the characters as if they have the exact same capabilities and what they might do in that scenario.

-You can make any arguments, debates, etc. you want in this topic. Discussion is STRONGLY encouraged, a fun debate about which of the two characters is most evil is exactly what these topics are for. Just don't make it personal, no insults or flaming, keep things civil even if you disagree. Also, no vote rallying, if you want to encourage people to vote for your character you need to at least make some semblance of an argument as to why, even if it's just "Character X did (really dastardly thing), I can't believe no one's voting for them!"

-Voting will continue for exactly 24 hours after the post is made. If there's a tie, there will be a new 24 hour topic. This will continue indefinitely until a winner is determined.

-YOU MUST BOLD YOUR VOTE FOR IT TO COUNT.

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The following write-ups will contain untagged SPOILERS for The Boys and Magic: The Gathering. Proceed at your own risk!

HOMELANDER

Homelander is a major antagonist in the comic book and television series The Boys.

The Homelander is a patriotic superhero who leads the superhero team, The Seven, and the most powerful superhuman created by Vought-American. The company's cover story for the Homelander is that he is an alien who landed in the United States as an infant, much like Superman. In reality, he was grown in a secret laboratory, the progeny of genetic material taken from Stormfront, who was injected with Compound V while still a member of the Hitler Youth. As interpreted within the television series, Homelander is possessive, paranoid, vindictive, insensitive, reckless with his powers, and incapable of accepting the possibility of any flaw in his person or decision-making. Unlike in the comic series, Homelander coerced Butcher's wife into having sex with him after she had been assigned as his assistant. After Starlight denounces Homelander and Vought and abandons her persona as Starlight via a livestream, Homelander says that he dumped her and accuses her of engaging in human trafficking via her charitable foundation, the Starlight House. After learning that Queen Maeve not only acted as an informant for the Boys but also slept with their leader Billy Butcher, Homelander has her detained at Seven Tower with the intention of harvesting her eggs. Homelander would later learn of his connection with Soldier Boy after receiving a call from him. After confirming this connection with Black Noir, Homelander savagely murders the latter. He later picks up Ryan from Mallory's house after intimidating her. When Homelander attempts to connect with Soldier Boy by introducing him to Ryan and saying that all three of them could be a family, Soldier Boy disowns him as a weak, damaged, attention-seeking disappointment and attempts to kill or depower him (as part of his deal with Butcher). Homelander turns against Soldier Boy after the latter strikes Ryan, but is forced to reluctantly fight Queen Maeve. He later introduces his son Ryan to his and Stormfronts supporters at Vought Tower. There, a pro-Starlight protestor hits Ryan in the face with a soft drink can, provoking Homelander to kill him. The Homelander's powers and sense of entitlement have led him to exhibit extreme megalomania, causing him to commit crimes against innocent people, including acts of rape and mass murder, out of the idea that he can do anything he wants because of who he is.

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YAWGMOTH

Yawgmoth is a major antagonist in the Magic: The Gathering franchise.

Yawgmoth was the god and perfector of the Phyrexian race. Originally human, in his early life, he was a medical genius of the ancient Thran Empire known for his highly controversial solutions to medical ailments. Yawgmoth was born in the last century of the ancient Thran Empire, during a highly politicized conflict between the artificer-aligned elite imperialists and the eugenicist-aligned republican rabble. Due to his fascination with the human body and his view that it was a marvelous machine, Yawgmoth became a champion of the eugenicist faction. During his exile , Yawgmoth journeyed the globe, visiting many different civilizations in his ruthless, cold-hearted pursuit of knowledge. During this time, he committed many atrocities, of which the following are known: he set the Black Cough upon the dwarves of Oryn Deeps, inciting a workers' rebellion that nearly killed the dwarven king and ended 1,000 years of dwarven rule, he turned the Creeping Mold of Argoth into a virulent plague that ate away the elves there, he also kidnapped their priest Elyssendril Lademmdrith and her healers, ordering the elves to pay ransom for their leader and the cure she had developed for the plague. When the elves paid, he delivered to them only sweetened water and 12 dead healers. He set the White Death upon the minotaurs of Talruum, just to study its effects, he infected the leaders of the cat people nations with rabies, after which they tore each other to pieces, he poisoned the human tribes of Gulatto Meisha, and he pithed and vivisected the Bey of the Shivan Viashino. Yawgmoth's exile would be revoked and he returned to Thran, which started a massive war between Thran and the civilizations Yawgmoth had experimented on during his exile. He would eventually trick a planeswalker named Dyfed into creating a portal to Phyrexia for him, and would bind himself to the plane, ruling it as its god and taking sick patients there in order to mutate them into his own personal army. When Dyfed was stunned at the horror Phyrexia had become, he stabbed her in the back of the head with a powerstone dagger, disabling the planeswalker, hoping to dissect her and learn what she had that enabled her to planeswalk. Rebbec removed the powerstone however, mercy-killing Dyfed. Yawgmoth would come to be trapped within Phyrexia, but thousands of years later, he would launch an invasion of Dominaria, attempting to conquer the plane for his own vile purposes and causing the deaths of many in the process.

Um, so based on the provided description this seems to be primarily focused on TV Show Homelander compared to comics Homelander who I am not as familiar with. In the comics, Homelander was basically gaslit into being bad and was mortified with himself when things started to click. From what I gather, TV Homelander is a fair bit more emotionally immature and egomaniacal compared to his comics counterpart. That said, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't he still sorta care about his "good image" even in the show and is just more prone to rashness when faced with conflict like wrecking that normie in the audience who called him shit? He also seems to genuinely care about his son and I think there was an animated special or mini series based on the tv show version which showed he wasn't completely bad and more misguided.

Yawgmoth I am similarly not too familiar with. However, from what I have gleaned about him in the past, isn't he basically a cold hearted super science lich who uses a dark magic plane to power his operation and spread his creepy nightmarish machine stuff everywhere "because science"? Like, his actions and general attitude seem to go far beyond what Homelander even at his worst would consider. I think he also started out with more noble intentions but even if you take that and Yawgmoth supposedly being more "science minded" in his approach into account, I'd give him the edge here. Again, I could be wrong about the details regarding him.

Either way it feels like Homelander has too many things detracting from his "evilness" anyway and he would be put off by Yawgmoth's shenanigans.

Putting a vote for Yawgmoth for now.

Yawgmoth based on TV Homelander only if that means anything

Homelander in the TV series is basically just a total egomaniac with no morals or maturity. He's more concerned with his own gratification over all which limits the scope on the evil he'd do and I could easily see him doing good with different people in his circle. Stormfront is much much worse than him.

Homelander is definitely evil and murder anyone for his own gain without a second thought

But would he systematically craft devastation for countless nations for generations? Probably not

ill say Yawgmoth for now

Homelander

He boinked a nazi

I don't know much about Yawgmoth, but Homelander definitely isn't as evil as he sounds.

Yawgmoth

He literally created Hell within his multiverse.

Dont forget that Homelander literally killed a plane full of innocent people and children just because it would have made him look bad.

Homelander

Yeah, he takes a special pleasure in victimising people that pushes him over the line. He also makes a suicidal lady commit suicide after shes decided shes not going to do it.

I want to see if I understand Yawgmoth correctly before making any choices.

But It sounds like he's kind of like the Cybermen of Doctor Who. Wanting to convert everyone into a Phyrexian Creature. He's also done some really terrible things, but that's his ultimate goal?

Yawgmoth, sorry Homelander, but at least your Nazi pal got my vote. (This sure doesn't sound good out of context)

Yawgmoth and it's not remotely close.

Dancedreamer posted...

I want to see if I understand Yawgmoth correctly before making any choices.

But It sounds like he's kind of like the Cybermen of Doctor Who. Wanting to convert everyone into a Phyrexian Creature. He's also done some really terrible things, but that's his ultimate goal?

He's Fantasy Josef Mengele, except with massive political ambitions and possessive obsession over the wife of a man he was supposed to heal (and was capable to do so) but instead killed to try to claim his latent power. He wants to convert everyone to "compleated" Phyrexian creatures because he's a eugenicist who's obsessed with mortal bodies being akin to machines - and he is the "Father of Machines," allowing him to become greater than any god throughout the cosmos. To that end, he created Sleeper Agents to invade various societies, and even they didn't know they were Phyrexians until their own organs began to rearrange within their metallic endoskeleton. Think of the Borg from Star Trek, but with the fanatical zeal of the Covenant from Halo.

The dude's evil far outlived him, too. He's so vile that the part of Urborg where his corpse finally fell became a wound in the land itself. The fuckup of his main opponent (I hesitate to say "hero" when I describe Urza because he was a total jackass himself) led to his personal golem ALSO fucking up and spreading the Glistening Oil to his own personal plane, causing an entire new generation of Phyrexian praetors to be born and take up his mantle and resume his goal of invading and infecting the multiverse with "Phyrexia's glory." That storyline just ended, and it caused bloody, brutal wars on almost every known plane.

Yawgmoth
Homelander has too much counting against him in the evil stakes, and Yawgmoth is a lot more ambitious.

Homelander

Yawgmoth

The amount he killed is much more evil than being a fuckboy.

Seems like it's Yawgmoth and it's not even close tbh.