Current Events > Do you use 'woke' to describe things that seem to have a leftist agenda?

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no, i wouldn't want people to think i'm an idiot

I use "woke" to describe beings that are no longer sleeping

I view it as a particularly kind of left which is more about showing off ones peacocks feathers than getting anything done, or when you reboot something or make something and choose people for how aligned they are to your online crap than how skilled they are at the cost of the product (i.e Ghostbusters 2016, Velma, High Guardian spice, Mass Effect Andromeda, Saint's Row etc. Everything is political allegedy and their not right wing, center right, center, center left or moderately left).

AceMos posted...

shojo is not really a genre with action in it

Fair enough. I'm not too familiar with the genre myself.

No, I use it as a term of endearment and pillow talk with the boys

GranAures posted...

And I would bet it's not actually pushed by left-wiing politicians unlike the piles of bans targeting minority characters.

The fact left politicians aren't as a entrenched in this kind of nonsense, is why I still consider the left better, unlike the right feeling they need to protect kids from Mr. Ratburn's gay wedding, or DeSantis needing to swing his dick at Disney.

Murphiroth posted...

"Some people" isn't a source.

Guessing this is a small subset of like, Twitter and other social media whining that you're blowing way out of proportion.

Regardless, being upset that a character not being as big as they'd hoped is...fine? Not sure why that's a problem given that it happens all the time across all media.

Also this

Politicians may not get as involved, but let's not pretend there's no influential voices from the left for this stuff. Really, "The Force is Female" is probably not a very wise marketing strategy for a franchise with a primarily male fanbase, & makes no sense why even Disney wants to push the emphasis on female demographics in Star Wars & Marvel stuff, when part of the reason for buying either, is that Disney had built a strong female demographic over content such as Hannah Montana & That's So Raven, that their appeal to boys had taken a hit.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Also, do the complaints about lack of female representation in shounen even have merit in the first place? It's right there in the name, shounen is for boys. If you want female representation then watch a shoujo.

Very much; female shounen protagonist is a constant wish list item, whenever discussing female shounen characters. I mean, it's understandable, given the girls are clearly not going to be as prominent with a young male demographic, but it always strikes me as weird how much the most vocal complainers seem oblivious that shoujo even exists.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/5/3/AAfYGFAAE4Mh.jpg

Nosferatu_Zodd posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/5/3/AAfYGFAAE4Mh.jpg

What is it this young man doesn't like about this engine, I wonder?

darkbuster posted...

Politicians may not get as involved, but let's not pretend there's no influential voices from the left for this stuff. Really, "The Force is Female" is probably not a very wise marketing strategy for a franchise with a primarily male fanbase, & makes no sense why even Disney wants to push the emphasis on female demographics in Star Wars & Marvel stuff, when part of the reason for buying either, is that Disney had built a strong female demographic over content such as Hannah Montana & That's So Raven, that their appeal to boys had taken a hit.

"The Force Is Female" was never a Disney or Star Wars marketing campaign, it was a Nike thing, you've literally fallen for the right wing chud whining you're claiming doesn't happen that much lmao. The only thing that did happen is that Kathleen Kennedy wore one of the shirts and chuds had a fuckin' meltdown over it.

https://boards.theforce.net/threads/the-truth-about-the-force-is-female.50049374/

Are you really named Emily?

Wow. First I've heard of this totally widespread left wing push. Must mean that the left is totally worse about things than

Murphiroth posted...

"The Force Is Female" was never a Disney or Star Wars marketing campaign, it was a Nike thing, you've literally fallen for the right wing chud whining you're claiming doesn't happen that much lmao. The only thing that did happen is that Kathleen Kennedy wore one of the shirts and chuds had a fuckin' meltdown over it.

https://boards.theforce.net/threads/the-truth-about-the-force-is-female.50049374/

Oh.

Wait.

Umm. But woke?

No, cause I'm not developmentally challenged.

Wandering__Hero posted...

I view it as a particularly kind of left which is more about showing off ones peacocks feathers than getting anything done, or when you reboot something or make something and choose people for how aligned they are to your online crap than how skilled they are at the cost of the product (i.e Ghostbusters 2016, Velma, High Guardian spice, Mass Effect Andromeda, Saint's Row etc. Everything is political allegedy and their not right wing, center right, center, center left or moderately left).

Sweet Jesus.

Still blinking in disbelief at seeing an argument in favour of not encouraging girls to like the stuff that the boys like.

Stay woke fam

Not all forms of wokeness are bad.

I think bad wokeness is when you attempt to censor things for the sake of an irrelevant political agenda. For example I don't want to get a kiddified version of a game because you're offended by the original content, just fuck off and don't play. Games don't have to appeal to everyone and your fragilities are your own problem.

Inohira posted...

Not all forms of wokeness are bad.

I think bad wokeness is when you attempt to censor things for the sake of an irrelevant political agenda. For example I don't want to get a kiddified version of a game because you're offended by the original content, just fuck off and don't play. Games don't have to appeal to everyone and your fragilities are your own problem.

I don't think even the most fragile of gamers has the power to censor the games that you play.

Tbh, I only use the term woke for when people say you're a bigot for not ****ing the ****** *****.

Smackems posted...

What is it this young man doesn't like about this engine, I wonder?

It's woke

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

To the best of my knowledge, it means being aware of institutionalized injustice (predominantly racism, but more broadly issues around LGBTQ and so on) and how it affects all aspects of social life.

What it does not mean is making white kids feel guilty for the skin they were born into.

mf'er spittin'

Murphiroth posted...

"The Force Is Female" was never a Disney or Star Wars marketing campaign, it was a Nike thing, you've literally fallen for the right wing chud whining you're claiming doesn't happen that much lmao. The only thing that did happen is that Kathleen Kennedy wore one of the shirts and chuds had a fuckin' meltdown over it.

Unfortunately, someone with that position of power is going to have their actions under scrutiny, & it doesn't help that it lines up with what seems to be a lot of the issues with sequel Star Wars. Most of all, Disney would have been much faster to diffuse that, if they didn't at lest condone the association on some level.

ai123 posted... Still blinking in disbelief at seeing an argument in favour of not encouraging girls to like the stuff that the boys like.

My issue is with what all to often comes down to rewriting "boy stuff", just because it's a popular vehicle for their views. I'd be just as against someone attempting to appropriate shoujo & josei for some MRA nonsense. If girls want to like boy stuff, they're at least going to have to accept that the stuff was primarily made for boys, & vice versa for boys; I've never seen bonies complaining about "male representation" in FiM.

darkbuster posted...

Unfortunately, someone with that position of power is going to have their actions under scrutiny, & it doesn't help that it lines up with what seems to be a lot of the issues with sequel Star Wars. Most of all, Disney would have been much faster to diffuse that, if they didn't at lest condone the association on some level.

LMAO so literally no acknowledgement at all that it wasn't a marketing campaign by Disney or for Star Wars and just dodging the fact that you were completely incorrect.

I'm not surprised.

And still no proof of any widespread complaining about a lack of female representation in shounen outside of a claim that "some people" were upset at one point. Fuckin' laughable.

TheMikh posted...

a decade or so ago "woke" was quite synonymous with the concept of "awakened" in the wake up sheeple sense

i refuse to reprogram my vocabulary based on the current thing in partisan politics

i blame oliver cromwell

much longer than a decade. It was closely tied to Third Eye philosophy and had ties to the Eye of Horus/Ra.

Now its been bastardized and misappropriated certain people to describe things they dont like.

No, I use its real historical meaning, not the bullshit right-wing narrative that they popularized ire against so they could "subtly" use it for any time they wanted to express bigoted thoughts without being explicitly bigoted.

electricbugs2 posted...

Like my family still liberally uses the slang version of the R word, but its not to attack people with actual disabilities,

Your family fucking sucks.

DrizztLink posted...

Your family fucking sucks.

Nice job cherry picking.

electricbugs2 posted...

Nice job cherry picking.

Less cherry picking and more pointing out the huge red flag waving above your entire fucking house.

DrizztLink posted...

Less cherry picking and more pointing out the huge red flag waving above your entire fucking house.

I live in a condo thank you very much.

I use it to sing the chorus of "Redbone"

Wandering__Hero posted...

Mass Effect Andromeda

What? Is it just because the default was a female Ryder instead of a male Shepard like the trilogy? That was somehow peacocking from the left?

Inohira posted...

Games don't have to appeal to everyone

They do to the capitalists financing them.

I only say woke when I'm not sure if something is based or not.

Murphiroth posted...

LMAO so literally no acknowledgement at all that it wasn't a marketing campaign by Disney or for Star Wars and just dodging the fact that you were completely incorrect.

I'm not surprised.

And still no proof of any widespread complaining about a lack of female representation in shounen outside of a claim that "some people" were upset at one point. Fuckin' laughable.

I'm not denying being wrong, but it's absurd that Disney would let something like that go as far as it did, if that's really the case.

As for the "proof" of female representation in shounen, there's plenty between Youtube, forums/social media, & various pop-culture websites, though I doubt you'd consider those valid. Though seriously, Sakura from Naruto is basically the poster child for "poor female representation" in shounen. It's so infamous, it's why I can't even dispute it.

Intro2Logic posted...

They do to the capitalists financing them.

Thing is some of the biggest spenders are musty capital G gamers who will back off if the game is woke. So sometimes the changes reduce both the game's creative integrity and profit.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/4/2/AAMTIRAAE4N6.jpg

Inohira posted...

Thing is some of the biggest spenders are musty capital G gamers who will back off if the game is woke. So sometimes the changes reduce both the game's creative integrity and profit.

More the opposite. Hence why they keep making games that chuds have a whine over.

Representation in shonen is a lot better than people think it is-- we've had entire chapters releasing in the WSJ lately that are literally just characters discussing gender (love Cipher Academy for that)

Wandering__Hero posted...

I view it as a particularly kind of left which is more about showing off ones peacocks feathers than getting anything done, or when you reboot something or make something and choose people for how aligned they are to your online crap than how skilled they are at the cost of the product (i.e Ghostbusters 2016, Velma, High Guardian spice, Mass Effect Andromeda, Saint's Row etc. Everything is political allegedy and their not right wing, center right, center, center left or moderately left).

Basically this, even if it really it's more annoying that harmful

Either way Yugioh Arc V still sucks

Darkfire12 posted...

Representation in shonen is a lot better than people think it is-- we've had entire chapters releasing in the WSJ lately that are literally just characters discussing gender (love Cipher Academy for that)

Everyone knows that there is an enormous female representation in shoenen. Hence why people complain about the constant state of harem (slave lord?) isekai every season.

They were just making crap up.

darkbuster is pretending to be bill maher. has to be. no way anyone says that shit and takes it seriously.

Can anyone even name 3 video games that were forced to change to be more "woke"?

"They made this game and it had some LGBTQ people in it" doesn't count.

Inohira posted...

Thing is some of the biggest spenders are musty capital G gamers who will back off if the game is woke. So sometimes the changes reduce both the game's creative integrity and profit.

But pandering to the kind of gamers who whine about woke totally doesnt reduce creative integrity.

hockeybub89 posted...

Can anyone even name 3 video games that were forced to change to be more "woke"?

"They made this game and it had some LGBTQ people in it" doesn't count.

It's "forced" because they don't want it in there.

I have never used woke before, but I have called things pandering before

Darkfire12 posted...

Representation in shonen is a lot better than people think it is-- we've had entire chapters releasing in the WSJ lately that are literally just characters discussing gender (love Cipher Academy for that)

Eiichiro Oda, creator of One Piece, has gotten better with LGBT representation over time. At first you had people like Bon Clay and Ivankov, who are very stereotypical and arguably offensive but nice people and allies to the heroes of the story. Since One Piece has a story in it of people who are fighting against the a tyrannical government having queer people as part of the rebellion is logical. Though you also had The island Sanji landed on and there really isn't much defending that.

Come Wano you can see an evolution of Oda's LGBT representation with Kikunojo and maybe Yamato, though the later could mostly be a joke. While Kiku is a very good representation of a trans woman, rather or not Yamato is a trans man is muddy at best. It might just be a joke by Oda, or it could be a lack of understanding of trans men. Yet pronouns for both are made clear, as is how they see themselves and how others see them.

And its not like One Piece is unknown.

creativerealms posted...

Eiichiro Oda, creator of One Piece, has gotten better with LGBT representation over time. At first you had people like Bon Clay and Ivankov, who are very stereotypical and arguably offensive but nice people and allies to the heroes of the story. Since One Piece has a story in it of people who are fighting against the a tyrannical government having queer people as part of the rebellion is logical. Though you also had The island Sanji landed on and there really isn't much defending that.

Come Wano you can see an evolution of Oda's LGBT representation with Kikunojo and maybe Yamato, though the later could mostly be a joke. While Kiku is a very good representation of a trans woman, rather or not Yamato is a trans man is muddy at best. It might just be a joke by Oda, or it could be a lack of understanding of trans men. Yet pronouns for both are made clear, as is how they see themselves and how others see them.

And its not like One Piece is unknown.

One Piece is one of the big series I was thinking about when I wrote that post, yeah-- I honestly really like how it's handled queer characters. I totally get why people don't like the portrayal of Iva but I'm actually a really big fan-- having a character that
-uses the hormone fruit
-ran a drag bar in a maximum security prison for half a decade or more
-is one of the stronger characters in the series, and classifies as a genuine threat (case in point, Marineford)
-is one of the leaders of the Revolutionary Army
is cool as shit.

Yamato's amazing too-- I've got less of an opinion on him because I speedread Wano and never really took in much info on him because of how much goes on in that arc, but he's still rad

creativerealms posted...

Eiichiro Oda, creator of One Piece, has gotten better with LGBT representation over time. At first you had people like Bon Clay and Ivankov, who are very stereotypical and arguably offensive but nice people and allies to the heroes of the story. Since One Piece has a story in it of people who are fighting against the a tyrannical government having queer people as part of the rebellion is logical. Though you also had The island Sanji landed on and there really isn't much defending that.

Come Wano you can see an evolution of Oda's LGBT representation with Kikunojo and maybe Yamato, though the later could mostly be a joke. While Kiku is a very good representation of a trans woman, rather or not Yamato is a trans man is muddy at best. It might just be a joke by Oda, or it could be a lack of understanding of trans men. Yet pronouns for both are made clear, as is how they see themselves and how others see them.

And its not like One Piece is unknown.

About Yamato I wouldn't say it was a joke, more that Oda just made the situation very weird. Really Yamato's character overall did feel all over the place (remember the whole "I will join the crew!" thing?), hopefully Oda has more of a handle of em if/when they show up again

darkbuster posted...

I didn't say they didn't do it, just not nearly as often

Bro..... rofl

A_Good_Boy posted...

Also, do the complaints about lack of female representation in shounen even have merit in the first place?

Kind of?

Sure, they're stories mostly for boys, in the sense that "blue is a boy's color." Action packed power stories aren't gendered except in the old fashioned way, and it was societal roles and expectations that turned the genre into a "boys thing" like anything else that gets divided that way.

That said, even if we do go all-in on the idea that they're boys toys, there could still be more and better female representation. Shonen viewers could definitely benefit from seeing more badass women, competent women, professional women, and women in authority. That kind of representation has a positive cultural bleed.

Instead of seeing a damsel in distress, boys can see a woman, say, in charge of a nuclear stealth submarine full of mercenaries and mechs and answerable to almost no one.

It plants the idea that women can be Majors and not Orihimes.

The zeitgeist could use a lot more of that because it sticks with the kids who watch it.

So, yeah. There's some merit. But no more than there is in any other media or medium that had ignored positive and powerful women as characters.

Wandering__Hero posted...

Everything is political allegedy

Art, any art, is inherently political, and shaped by the environment it was created in, to one degree or another.