Current Events > 14 YO girl shoots self in front of cop, over bullying

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For some reason most of the sites talking about this so far, are conservative leaning. So I picked this one for the link

https://cafemom.com/news/bullied-teen-runaway-kills-herself-in-front-of-sheriffs-deputy

But anyway, she had been tormented for years by both boys and girls. Boys were sexually assaulting her and girls were threatening to kill her

She ran away from home on Saturday and a cop found her and was going to take her home til she pulled out a gun and shot herself

I doubt anyone who ever bullied her was ever held accountable, and they won't now either

I personally think it needs to be a crime to drive a person to suicide

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It really is when blood is shed

It's a shame bullying isn't taken as seriously a offense as it should be.

And it's straight up bizarre and almost random what schools do and don't take seriously at times.

That poor girl...

She seemed like she had a great life ahead of her too. This is awful. Investigations should find some faults here.

Sexual assault and threats to kill are very serious legal matters. This poor girl should have had a lot more help and support, and it should not just be left to the school once it goes that far.

Sad thing is the kids that were messing with her are looking at this as a win for them. They feel empowered now and definitely won't stop.

This is only going to get worse as people know bullies wont be punished and the victim will be if they defend themselves.

Yeah that both parties are at fault thing is stupid. Thankfully I was never bullied but in highschool I saw times where someone would just get suckerpunched for no reason. They didnt even have to fight back but theyd get suspended too.

I have a daughter that age. I am not a big fan of homeschooling, but if shit was that bad at school, I would definitely do it if the school was doing jack shit to help my kid.

But I also live in a blue state and both my middle and high schools have social workers and psychiatrists.

Prismsblade posted...

It's a shame bullying isn't taken as seriously a offense as it should be.

And it's straight up bizarre and almost random what schools do and don't take seriously at times.

Less random is that schools will treat the bullied person as a dangerous individual to be expelled should they ever have enough and snap back at their bullies. They'll view the bullying in the same vein as "It's just a joke, bro!" but if the bullied person ever cracks the bullies in the mouth, for example, it's suspension.

Overall it shows a general lack of empathy for those around someone being bullied. They might secretly be glad it isn't them being targeted, possibly even think it's better for someone else to be targeted, or fear that standing up for the person puts a target on their back.

I read the story and have to wonder exactly what the fuck was going on.

She was bullied at 2 different school districts. Having glue put in her hair, crotch grabbed, bruised up, online harassment, etc.

2 different school districts. She looks normal, isn't fat or ugly, so...why? She ended up at party with high school and college kids. Why would she want to be around them if they all seem to target her for assault?

Just a very weird story.

DuneMan posted...

but if the bullied person ever cracks the bullies in the mouth, for example, it's suspension.

Suspension is a small price to pay honestly for the satisfaction of kicking a bullies teeth in. Some Kids just don't understand the severity of bullying it and the damage it causes to others.

But they will always understand pain.

Prismsblade posted...

It's a shame bullying isn't taken as seriously a offense as it should be.

And it's straight up bizarre and almost random what schools do and don't take seriously at times.

It's honestly ridiculous. I remember an assembly we had in highschool where my VP gave this advice:

"When you're in a fight, sit down in the fetal position, don't try to fight back"

Zero tolerance is some weapons grade horse shit.

LeoRavus posted...

I read the story and have to wonder exactly what the fuck was going on.

She was bullied at 2 different school districts. Having glue put in her hair, crotch grabbed, bruised up, online harassment, etc.

2 different school districts. She looks normal, isn't fat or ugly, so...why? She ended up at party with high school and college kids. Why would she want to be around them if they all seem to target her for assault?

Just a very weird story.

Kind of odd to look for reasons to find fault with her, but if she had been denied positive attention from peers, her looking for positive attention from other groups makes sense.

bigtiggie23 posted...

Sad thing is the kids that were messing with her are looking at this as a win for them. They feel empowered now and definitely won't stop.

Maybe. There is a non-zero amount who will be disturbed. It takes all types.

Cemith posted...

It's honestly ridiculous. I remember an assembly we had in highschool where my VP gave this advice:

"When you're in a fight, sit down in the fetal position, don't try to fight back"

Zero tolerance is some weapons grade horse shit.

This VP probably has to say that but I can promise you anyone who said that back in 2001-2005 in my school would get replies of: fuck that shit, that is some bitch ass shit, is that before or after the gang grape ?, and is that what you do when someone tries to take your woman ?

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It never has, and certain individuals think bullies should receive no punishment because of bullshit like "oh it builds character" or "it makes people tougher."

Bullying needs to be a crime and not just a misdemeanor.

Kinda sucks that they wouldn't just let her dropout too

She must have felt trapped

Zikten posted...

I personally think it needs to be a crime to drive a person to suicide

It should. The issue however becomes if it's treated as a felony. If so, then bullies could potentially be charged for school shootings as well.

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Right, but holding bullies accountable for certain school shootings is unprecedented and I'm not sure if prosecutors would be willing to engage in that potential narrative.

Prismsblade posted...

It's a shame bullying isn't taken as seriously a offense as it should be.

And it's straight up bizarre and almost random what schools do and don't take seriously at times.

Nowadays zero tolerance for bullying is a common slogan at schools, yet they dont seem to be acting on it

Zikten posted...

For some reason most of the sites talking about this so far, are conservative leaning. So I picked this one for the link

https://cafemom.com/news/bullied-teen-runaway-kills-herself-in-front-of-sheriffs-deputy

But anyway, she had been tormented for years by both boys and girls. Boys were sexually assaulting her and girls were threatening to kill her

She ran away from home on Saturday and a cop found her and was going to take her home til she pulled out a gun and shot herself

I doubt anyone who ever bullied her was ever held accountable, and they won't now either

I personally think it needs to be a crime to drive a person to suicide

It's probably cause in the days of the people making laws people didn't kill themselves over being bullied or abused.

Now they do but the old heads just think younger people are weak when the truth is we just grew up differently. Not just parenting but the world around us is different and we have a constant flow of information and able to reach out and talk to people all over with internet and the internet is often not a nice place. Online bullying or just seeing a constant feed of horrible or depressing news

Cuticrusader09 posted...

I have a daughter that age. I am not a big fan of homeschooling, but if shit was that bad at school, I would definitely do it if the school was doing jack shit to help my kid.

But I also live in a blue state and both my middle and high schools have social workers and psychiatrists.

Home schooling isnt an option though for families where both parents have to work full time jobs.

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This is what I immediately thought of. This should be the norm. Kids today get way too many free passes. If you're old enough to drive someone to suicide, you're old enough to deal with the consequences.

Zero tolerance just makes it seem okay to beat the fuck out of someone for starting something with you, just because you know you're already going to get suspended.

VideoboysaysCube posted...

This is what I immediately thought of. This should be the norm. Kids today get way too many free passes. If you're old enough to drive someone to suicide, you're old enough to deal with the consequences.

Yeah but certain people operate under the belief that "Oh, I know this kid did something horrible, but it's not worth ruining his/her life over."

And that's part of the problem.

wanderingshade posted...

Zero tolerance just makes it seem okay to beat the fuck out of someone for starting something with you, just because you know you're already going to get suspended.

In that case it should also come with an assault charge.

But zero tolerance doesnt automatically mean suspension, it just means teachers are supposed to be more proactive about intervening. Yet there are still cases every day if someone telling a teacher and nothing happening.

Strider102 posted...

Yeah but certain people operate under the belief that "Oh, I know this kid did something horrible, but it's not worth ruining his/her life over."

And that's part of the problem.

Id say thats more a matter of rehabilitation reform. You can pay the consequences for your actions and then be allowed to get back on your feet. That is, if things werent so artificially hampering (by design) for ex prisoners.

Dark_Arbron posted...

But zero tolerance doesnt automatically mean suspension

That's usually what it means though, in really stupid schools. They see the bully punching someone else in the face and they both get suspended for "fighting".

Driving someone to suicide should be treated the same as murder. If not murder then damn close to it.

wanderingshade posted...

That's usually what it means though, in really stupid schools. They see the bully punching someone else in the face and they both get suspended for "fighting".

Yeah Ive seen it takes two to fight used to deflect from bullying before. Its shitty.

wanderingshade posted...

That's usually what it means though, in really stupid schools. They see the bully punching someone else in the face and they both get suspended for "fighting".

Yep. I think that was the rule at my highschool. And I graduated way back in 2001. Schools have been shit about bullies for a long long time

I think they are scared of being sued by parents of bullies

Dark_Arbron posted...

In that case it should also come with an assault charge.

But zero tolerance doesnt automatically mean suspension, it just means teachers are supposed to be more proactive about intervening. Yet there are still cases every day if someone telling a teacher and nothing happening.

They're only proactive if the one being bullied reacts in self-defense, or if the parents threaten the school with a lawsuit if the bullying continues.

Paragon21XX posted...

They're only proactive if the one being bullied reacts in self-defense, or if the parents threaten the school with a lawsuit if the bullying continues.

I do think parents need to make it clear to their kids that if theyre having problems to talk to them about it. Bullying needs to be considered antisocial criminal behaviour. Its not allowed in the workplace (on paper, anyway), and generally not tolerated between adults, so why are kids left to rot?

And this is why school shootings have become more common, because the alternative is something like this.

I'm so glad my niece is homeschooled.

wanderingshade posted...

That's usually what it means though, in really stupid schools. They see the bully punching someone else in the face and they both get suspended for "fighting".

That's the way it was back when I was in Jr. high. One day I was sitting there eating my lunch not talking to anyone and the kid across from me was kicking me in the shins really hard. I told the cafeteria monitor and she said if she does something about it we would both be in trouble.

I havent read all the comments in this thread but didnt it nearly became illegal for bullying years ago?
or something of the sort? Oh yea parents would be questioned by authorities if the bullies kept at it
is it still like that, I dont believe so

I agree that bullying needs to be taken much more seriously, with more emphasis given to protecting the victims, rather than making sure the bullies don't 'have their lives ruined'.

But this poor girl was sexually assaulted and sent death threats. Those things are unambiguously illegal, and serious offences under current laws. Why was nothing done? Who failed her? It cannot just be the school.

ai123 posted...

I agree that bullying needs to be taken much more seriously, with more emphasis given to protecting the victims, rather than making sure the bullies don't 'have their lives ruined'.

But this poor girl was sexually assaulted and sent death threats. Those things are unambiguously illegal, and serious offences under current laws. Why was nothing done? Who failed her? It cannot just be the school.

Yeah. Wanna know the response to me being bullied in school? Vice principal told mybmom he wished he could just give us some boxing gloves and let us fight it out.

He was under the presumption bullies are weak and the bullied are just good kids who don't fight back cause they know they'd get in trouble.

I've never been one foe violence so im.nit sure if I coulda beat the dude. It's possible cause he didn't have a reputation for fighting. But I didnr know if he could fight or not.

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Because this doesn't happen on blue states right? Fucking stupid.