Current Events > It's a good thing gamefaqs abolished the politics board

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Tenlaar posted...

You left out the "just for their beliefs, not any actions" part of your sentence that makes you a crazy authoritarian supporter of imprisoning people for thought crimes.

If the views is stated publically its not a thought crime.

Complaining about thought crimes kinda squicks me out, like what kinda thoughts are you worried about going to jail for

Unsuprised_Pika posted...

If the views is stated publically its not a thought crime.

Wanting people imprisoned for their beliefs, not their actions, absolutely is thought crimes shit.

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Well thank you. I feel there were people on 261 who put more thought into their posts. They were edited and formatted better and had links of evidence and such. There were some great discussions there. My style is more blunt and harsh. It's like comparing a rapier to a club.

Null_Gain posted...

CE does have those topics by that vegetable user. I definitely don't click on those

Phrasing

Tenlaar posted...

Wanting people imprisoned for their beliefs, not their actions, absolutely is thought crimes shit.

When speech turns into threats its no longer an actionless thought

Dark_Arbron posted...

At least 261 didn't have those "10 million dollars, but..." and "she says 'hey, ugky" topics.

or the "Olivia Rodrigo" and the "Sloppers are top notch Sagglers"

Link_of_time posted...

or the "Olivia Rodrigo" and the "Sloppers are top notch Sagglers"

That "sloppers" nonsense is what finally got me to put vegy and his alts on ignore. To this day he's the only person I've ever ignored on gamefaqs.gamespot.com

CE was always like this

brestugo posted...

Phrasing

? The user has some vegetable sounding naming schemes for their accounts.

I think CE became a better place for everyone but right wingers. This place definitely allows more fun topics, for starters. 261 definitely did not.

bfslick50 posted...

When speech turns into threats its no longer an actionless thought

We're not talking about threats.

It resulted in less work for the mods/admins so mission accomplished. As a bonus they can shitpost and stroke their ego to all the brown nosers then later pop into the latest softcore topic so they can stroke something else.

Tenlaar posted...

We're not talking about threats.

If were talking about white supremacy then we are.

"it's not a hate speech, just a thought that i said out loud" - some loony alt righter.

bfslick50 posted...

If were talking about white supremacy then we are.

No we aren't. Somebody can believe in racial separatism and/or supremacy without violent intentions.

Ricemills posted...

"it's not a hate speech, just a thought that i said out loud" - some loony alt righter.

Hate speech is constitutionally protected speech.

Love it that you don't deny it's a hate speech afterall, not just "free thought".

Tenlaar posted...

No we aren't. Somebody can believe in racial separatism and/or supremacy without violent intentions.

Do they ever, though? What white supremacists hate speech ever not end in threats and/or violence?

Hate speech is constitutionally protected speech.

Against the government only.

Tenlaar posted...

No we aren't. Somebody can believe in racial separatism and/or supremacy without violent intentions

"They only said they plan on exterminating everyone guys! It's not violence and it shouldn't be illegal until they're actually committing the killings!"

Ricemills posted...

Love it that you don't deny it's a hate speech afterall, not just "free thought".

Why would I deny it? Some beliefs are hateful so expressing those beliefs can obviously be labeled hate speech. That doesn't change that neither having nor expressing hateful beliefs that aren't at the specific level of actual incitement of violence should be criminalized.

Deutschenlied posted...

"They only said they plan on exterminating everyone guys! It's not violence and it shouldn't be illegal until they're actually committing the killings!"

How do you think that "planning on exterminating everyone" would not be violent intentions? Stop acting like everybody is the very worst that you can imagine. That's not how the world works.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

Do they ever, though? What white supremacists hate speech ever not end in threats and/or violence?

Surely you have heard, for example, "go back where they came from" kind of rhetoric.

Against the government only.

This doesn't make any sense.

Tenlaar posted...

Why would I deny it? Some beliefs are hateful so expressing those beliefs can obviously be labeled hate speech. That doesn't change that neither having nor expressing hateful beliefs that aren't at the specific level of actual incitement of violence should be criminalized.

Lmao.

And this is why 261 are better separated from CE, so people with toxic mindset are contained there.

There's way too much free speech in America. If your a minority, your life is literally worth less than a subhuman bigots belief that you should be beaten, jailed, or executed.

"But that what's so great about America! If we don't protect bigots calling for the deaths of people, then that's a slippery slope to making all speech illegal! You guys need to just tolerate all these attempts to dehumanize and terrorize you into submission! Your safety is a small price to pay for free speech (except for the times it is restricted)!"

Tenlaar posted...

Surely you have heard, for example, "go back where they came from" kind of rhetoric.

That's a threat. And if they don't "go back where they came from", it's always followed by an intimidating action.

This doesn't make any sense.

The 1st Amendment. It only protects you from the government infringing on your speech.

Tenlaar posted...

How do you think that "planning on exterminating everyone" would not be violent intentions? Stop acting like everybody is the very worst that you can imagine. That's not how the world works.

A reminder that you are talking about hateful bigots and literal white supremacists when you say I need to stop assuming everybody is the worst I can imagine. "They're only fantasizing about a world where dirty <slurs> are exterminated! Thoughts without physical violence backing it cannot hurt anyone and need to be protected at all costs!"

The lives of minorities are worth far more than the violent hate speech you want us to protect.

FFS Tenlaar in here doing his "Nazism isn't inherently violent" schtick again then will complain "wHy DoEs EvRy1 ThInK I'M a ChUd".

nocturnal_traveler posted...

The 1st Amendment. It only protects you from the government infringing on your speech.

Correct. Some people act like free speech means they can say whatever they want and everyone else needs to stay silent and take it.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

If you're going to get that upset over being wrongfully accused of being a Nazi, maybe you shouldn't have or express conservative political views. You're not entitled to people respecting you.

This take is so hot I gotta get new thermal paste.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

That's a threat. And if they don't "go back where they came from", it's always followed by an intimidating action.

All racism is not a threat followed by intimidating action. That's nonsense.

The 1st Amendment. It only protects you from the government infringing on your speech.

What do you think people being put in prison for speech is?

ScazarMeltex posted...

FFS Tenlaar in here doing his "Nazism isn't inherently violent" schtick again then will complain "wHy DoEs EvRy1 ThInK I'M a ChUd".

We haven't been talking about Nazism. This is what I'm saying, some of you act like every single person with shit beliefs is a literal Nazi with actual genocidal goals. That is not reality.

Tenlaar posted...

All racism is not a threat followed by intimidating action. That's nonsense.

That sounds like someone coming from a very privileged position. You definitely have never had hate speech hurled at you irl.

What do you think people being put in prison for speech is?

Hyperbole?

Tenlaar posted...

We haven't been talking about Nazism. This is what I'm saying, some of you act like every single person with shit beliefs is a literal Nazi with actual genocidal goals. That is not reality.

The conversation has been about white supremacists. It is not unfair to lump them together with Nazis.

Tenlaar posted...

All racism is not a threat followed by intimidating action. That's nonsense.
What do you think people being put in prison for speech is?

We haven't been talking about Nazism. This is what I'm saying, some of you act like every single person with shit beliefs is a literal Nazi with actual genocidal goals. That is not reality.

You know what else is legal to say, "Fuck off, Tenlaar. We don't want your bullshit here."
Just shut the fuck up, no one wants to hear your defense of racism.

Tenlaar posted...

All racism is not a threat followed by intimidating action. That's nonsense.
What do you think people being put in prison for speech is?

We haven't been talking about Nazism. This is what I'm saying, some of you act like every single person with shit beliefs is a literal Nazi with actual genocidal goals. That is not reality.

It doesn't have to be Nazism either my dude. Believing that certain groups of people aren't human beings with the same rights as others is inherently violent towards them IE white supremacy. It always ends with the belief, at best, that they should be forced to live with less rights, privileges, and opportunities than the favored group. At worst they believe the lesser group should be subjugated, forced into servitude, or made extinct. It's a question of degrees.

When you go to bat for these people I'm not going to make any distinction between you and them.

bfslick50 posted...

The conversation has been about white supremacists. It is not unfair to lump them together with Nazis.

It is false to say that all white supremacists are literal Nazis with genocidal goals. Again, that is not reality.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

You know what else is legal to say, "Fuck off, Tenlaar. We don't want your bullshit here."
Just shut the fuck up, no one wants to hear your defense of racism.

The stance that people should not be put in prison for shit beliefs is not a defense of racism. If you are unable to have a conversation about constitutional rights and authoritarian desires without being this way then you don't need to jump in just to shitpost.

ScazarMeltex posted...

It doesn't have to be Nazism either my dude.

Then why did you feel the need to immediately go straight to Nazis when nobody had been talking about them?

Believing that certain groups of people aren't human beings with the same rights as others is inherently violent towards them IE white supremacy. It always ends with the belief, at best, that they should be forced to live with less rights, privileges, and opportunities than the favored group. At worst they believe the lesser group should be subjugated, forced into servitude, or made extinct. It's a question of degrees.

When you go to bat for these people I'm not going to make any distinction between you and them.

You are arguing in favor of drastic authoritarian action with no regard for nuance or even reality. That is not a position that I am going to go along with.

Tenlaar posted...

It is false to say that all white supremacists are literal Nazis with genocidal goals. Again, that is not reality.

The stance that people should not be put in prison for shit beliefs is not a defense of racism. If you are unable to have a conversation about constitutional rights and authoritarian desires without being this way then you don't need to jump in just to shitpost.

Nah.
Tenlaar posted...

No we aren't. Somebody can believe in racial separatism and/or supremacy without violent intentions.

That's not a Constitutional defense, that's a defense of racism. Fuck off.
You have the Constitutional right to be racist. But we don't have to defend racists. Fuck off.

Tenlaar posted...

Then why did you feel the need to immediately go straight to Nazis when nobody had been talking about them?
You are arguing in favor of drastic authoritarian action with no regard for nuance or even reality. That is not a position that I am going to go along with.

Ah yes the great nuance of "I think black people are subhuman and degenerate, undeserving of the same rights as myself" vs "I think we should kill all black people". One always leads to the other you fucking discount joe numbers clone.

Tenlaar posted...

You are arguing in favor of drastic authoritarian action with no regard for nuance or even reality. That is not a position that I am going to go along with.

Lol what's the nuanced position on white supremacists aren't inherintly violent?

Tenlaar posted...

You are arguing in favor of drastic authoritarian action with no regard for nuance or even reality. That is not a position that I am going to go along with

Another reminder that you are saying it is drastic and authoritarian to not view authoritarian speech (that requires brutal violence to enact) with enough nuance.

This isn't someone saying they support business deregulation and being accused of being a Nazi. You literally mentioned white supremacists and then immediately said that is nuanced and not inherently violent.

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Tenlaar posted...

It is false to say that all white supremacists are literal Nazis with genocidal goals. Again, that is not reality.

The topic at hand is when is it harmless speech versus a harmful threat. Drawing the line at genocidal intent is a bit late.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Ah yes the great nuance of "I think black people are subhuman and degenerate, undeserving of the same rights as myself" vs "I think we should kill all black people". One always leads to the other you fucking discount joe numbers clone.

"They aren't going to actually murder you with their own hands, just wish you were dead and do what they can to make your life in this country as unpleasant as they can. It's totally different! Stop assuming all white supremacists will actually kill you if you're left alone in a room with them! Nuance!"

ChocoboMogALT posted...

That's not a Constitutional defense, that's a defense of racism. Fuck off.
You have the Constitutional right to be racist. But we don't have to defend racists. Fuck off.

My only argument here has been that people should not be put in prison just for having racist beliefs. Ive literally been talking about the constitutional right to free speech, not that racists should be defended in any way beyond that. Youre talking to me like this about something you agree with me on.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Lol what's the nuanced position on white supremacists aren't inherintly violent?

The lack of nuance I was referring to is acting like every racist belief is both the same belief and also rises to a level of working towards a genocide.

Tenlaar posted...

The lack of nuance I was referring to is acting like every racist belief is both the same belief and also rises to a level of working towards a genocide.

The mass lynchings that happened in the US were genocide.

bfslick50 posted...

The topic at hand is when is it harmless speech versus a harmful threat. Drawing the line at genocidal intent is a bit late.

Are you of the opinion that racist beliefs are always a threat deserving of imprisonment?

Tenlaar posted...

My only argument here has been that people should not be put in prison just for having racist beliefs. Ive literally been talking about the constitutional right to free speech, not that racists should be defended in any way beyond that. Youre talking to me like this about something you agree with me on.

The lack of nuance I was referring to is acting like every racist belief is both the same belief and also rises to a level of working towards a genocide.

My dude, you mentioned white supremacists. Violence is the only way to achieve the society they would prefer. And your best defense is that a lot of them are just... hopeless idealists that aren't hurting anyone?

Tenlaar posted...

Are you of the opinion that racist beliefs are always a threat deserving of imprisonment?

Hey now, let's not forget about nuance. It completely depends on how racist the belief is.

Users should be forced to use the politics tag and we should be able to filter that tag out.