Current Events > Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin disagrees with change to dress code

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Whip Dick Durbin sounds like a male pornstars name

DrizztLink posted...

Nobody's dick's that whippy, not even Whip Dick Durbin, and he had a fucking whippy dick. Thus, the name.

lol

Professional dress code is one of the ONLY times I would say that men get the shorter end of the bargain. For dudes, your choices are suit, suit, or suit and tie tie or tie. For women, there is more variety.

That said, a dude can wear the same suit every day for a year and no one cares, while people will notice the frequency that a woman wears the same clothes, so it cuts both ways.

hockeybub89 posted...

You just kind of repeated yourself with a lot more words. Why does any of that actually matter? Would they govern even worse if they were in t-shirts?

Optics matter. Always. Even if nothing actually wrong is going on, if something looks bad, it can have an effect on the influence of that station. And showing up to thrse things in t shirts comes across as flippant, casual and lackadaisical, all things that probably should not be used to describe the office of the United States.

That its participants don't always offer it that same level of respect is a cop out of an argument. Appearsnce matters. You have a restaurant that serves the best food in town? Guess what, if your floors are dirty and your bathrooms are unkempt, an the chairs and tables are strewn about, no one is gonna wanna eat there. Regardless of good quality.

Decreeing that a suit and tie constitutes professional is racist. Whose culture is that style?

First they let Fetterman wear hoodies, then mcconnell will be wearing yoga pants with "juicy" written on the back.

Vyrulisse posted...

A certain amount of professionalism should be expected I agree.

Meanwhile in the house:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/3/AARLwzAAE3Q_.jpg

Tyranthraxus posted...

Meanwhile in the house:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/3/AARLwzAAE3Q_.jpg

That guy is literally me

Sariana21 posted...

Decreeing that a suit and tie constitutes professional is racist. Whose culture is that style?

Doesn't have to be a suit and tie. In fact, I wish our culture would introduce other forms of formal wear from other lands into the zeitgeist. As it is though, everyone else here seems to use the suit and tie.

Toonstrack posted...

Optics matter. Always. Even if nothing actually wrong is going on, if something looks bad, it can have an effect on the influence of that station. And showing up to thrse things in t shirts comes across as flippant, casual and lackadaisical, all things that probably should not be used to describe the office of the United States.

That its participants don't always offer it that same level of respect is a cop out of an argument. Appearsnce matters. You have a restaurant that serves the best food in town? Guess what, if your floors are dirty and your bathrooms are unkempt, an the chairs and tables are strewn about, no one is gonna wanna eat there. Regardless of good quality.

Bad analogy because a dirty, cluttered enviorment poses an actual threat to your safety. Focusing on optics in that situation is ignoring the real issue.

Better analogy is tacky, crude and tattered decor in a place billing itself as a premium cultural experience with great ambience.

Toonstrack posted...

Doesn't have to be a suit and tie. In fact, I wish our culture would introduce other forms of formal wear from other lands into the zeitgeist. As it is though, everyone else here seems to use the suit and tie.

Agree.

Unsuprised_Pika posted...

Bad analogy because a dirty, cluttered enviorment poses an actual threat to your safety. Focusing on optics in that situation is ignoring the real issue.

Better analogy is tacky, crude and tattered decor in a place billing itself as a premium cultural experience with great ambience.

I don't know, I think a restaurant is a good analogy for congress.

It presents itself as a Michelin star restaurant but half of the overdressed waiters give you a plate full of shit.

Unsuprised_Pika posted...

Bad analogy because a dirty, cluttered enviorment poses an actual threat to your safety. Focusing on optics in that situation is ignoring the real issue.

And yet the optics are the decision maker. Even if something ISNT dirty, but LOOKS dirty folks won't eat there. Heck, even if it looks like it is USUALLY dirty but it was cleaned, some people won't eat there.

Better analogy is tacky, crude and tattered decor in a place billing itself as a premium cultural experience with great ambience.

Sure.

Given that we have House members soliciting teens for sex (Gaetz) and giving handjobs in public (Boebert) with absolutely zero consequence, anyone criticizing someone for wearing a damned hoodie can eat shit.

This is the tan suit debacle all over again, or the dijon mustard on a burger. Anyone arguing that Fetterman wearing a hoodie is a disparagement to the institution is just serving the narrative that the GOP is using to distract from the hijinks of the likes of Boebert bringing actual disgrace to our nation.

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The point isn't congress its that dressing appropriately for a certain environment is important. Congress is a higher office than most of these examples so even more so should it be the case.

Ricemills posted...

Ill(inois), not III.

Damn here I was thinking he was the third generation of poorly named children

there should obv be some kind of dress code. having our most powerful politicians wearing 'let's go brandon' tshirts would be super trashy. the senate is a professional place at least in theory and our politicians looking like florida man would be trashy af

I don't know that it would devolve into tank tops and flip flops. These guys still like their three martini steak lunches and hob-nobbing around DC, so at worst they would be in sweaters and slacks or golf shirts.

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i already don't vote for chud politicians. we shouldn't normalize politicians dressing like slobs on official government business wearing qanon paraphernalia

The dress code serves to obfuscate the venality of your average senator because a lot of people can't recognize evil or stupidity when it dresses up nicely.

Toonstrack posted...

Optics matter. Always. Even if nothing actually wrong is going on, if something looks bad, it can have an effect on the influence of that station. And showing up to thrse things in t shirts comes across as flippant, casual and lackadaisical, all things that probably should not be used to describe the office of the United States.

That its participants don't always offer it that same level of respect is a cop out of an argument. Appearsnce matters. You have a restaurant that serves the best food in town? Guess what, if your floors are dirty and your bathrooms are unkempt, an the chairs and tables are strewn about, no one is gonna wanna eat there. Regardless of good quality.

But why does it look bad? It's pretty dumb to equate "not dressed formally" to "dirty and unprofessional"

Should everyone work every job in a suit then? So the "optics" look good since that's more important than the work done?

If I went to a great restaurant and it turned out the staff wore T-shirts, I'd be like "Wow they're down to earth and not sniffing their own farts", not "Oh God! Are there gonna be boogers in my food?!"

You're just proving that the average American is a certified idiot who should barely be allowed to tie their own shoes, let alone have serious opinions and vote.

I teach at a university and I wore shorts and a band t-shirt today

Euripides posted...

I teach at a university and I wore shorts and a band t-shirt today

But don't you know no one will take you seriously without a tie?!

hockeybub89 posted...

But why does it look bad? It's pretty dumb to equate "not dressed formally" to "dirty and unprofessional"

I didnt say that.

I said it's more casual, Imani wearing casual clothes is associated with casual activity. Things not taken too seriously or having much effort put in. Ergo it sends the message that its not being taken seriously. The exact message you dont want to send in political office.

Should everyone work every job in a suit then? So the "optics" look good since that's more important than the work done?

Different jobs require different attire at times. I'd like a chef to not be wearing PJs in the kitchen, yes. I'd like a construction worker to wear constructions gear both for his protection and others. Id like nurses to wear scrubs so they can be identified quickly. I can go on. Dressing for position and role is a concept that goes back millenia.

If I went to a great restaurant and it turned out the staff wore T-shirts, I'd be like "Wow they're down to earth and not sniffing their own farts", not "Oh God! Are there gonna be boogers in my food?!"

You're just proving that the average American is a certified idiot who should barely be allowed to tie their own shoes, let alone have serious opinions and vote.

This aint just an america thing. Most places of business of repute have a dress code, most offices that do important work have a dress code. Congressional meetings are seen by citizens, other potkicians and representatives from other countries. Do you really want our reps to send the message that "we just tossed something on for this"

That's not even to factor in the non optics related reasons. Logos and graphic tees can be a distraction. If a dude is talking about Healthcare reform wearing a star wars tee, that's going to distract from his message. If a republican comes in wearing Trumper merch that's a mockery of the office. Theres no real benefit to it.

hockeybub89 posted...

But don't you know no one will take you seriously without a tie?!

I'd take that less seriously with a tie

unless he's wearing an Akercocke shirt, which is unlikely

Meanwhile, Senate Minority Whip John Thune expressed disappointment when he was informed that his job does not involve whipping minorities.