Current Events > Schumer is tired of Tuberville's shit, is pushing through military promotions

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One down so far.

https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/1704644746738557199

Tuberville lost his backup. Good. They had to be getting some real heat.

The best part is that Tuberville voted against Brown for Chairman.

So of course it was not about abortion.

If this was always an option, why'd he wait this long?

darkace77450 posted...

If this was always an option, why'd he wait this long?

Because dems are usually in pussy mode half the time

Tuberville is single handedly making the US military weaker than it has ever been. He should honestly be removed from office for the way hes been.
darkace77450 posted...

If this was always an option, why'd he wait this long?

republicans have the senate majority and at least one democrat or two are fake and vote Republican.

this confirmation required a few republicans to realize we might not actually have a functioning military if this goes on too long

darkace77450 posted...

If this was always an option, why'd he wait this long?

Because Dems would rather settle for not rocking the boat and playing nice with their political opposition rather deliver actual victories at their expense.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Because Dems would rather settle for not rocking the boat and playing nice with their political opposition rather deliver actual victories at their expense.

Or they felt like they didn't want to award this type of behavior and normalize it. Not everything has to be because the Dems are cowards

Takuya_Lee posted...

Or they felt like they didn't want to award this type of behavior and normalize it. Not everything has to be because the Dems are cowards

this is the exact opposite of rewarding it???

they told him to go fuck himself and pushed a nomination he'd been blocking through anyway

darkace77450 posted...

If this was always an option, why'd he wait this long?

spineless cant offend fascist republicans

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and it's all because he doesn't want servicewomen to be able to travel to get abortions

as if he'd approve of 6 month pregnant women serving in the military, or giving them maternity leave

didnt they say it would like take 700 straight days just to catch up on the backlog hope they kick that shit in gear

I've said, dems should just call session until every nomination is voted on. If it takes 700 hours or 7 hours, session goes until its complete.

If the House speaker can kick Ilhan Omar off of a committee (for no reason btw), why can't Schumer kick Tuberville off of that committee?

darkace77450 posted...

If this was always an option, why'd he wait this long?

Tuberville had the support of GOP Senators for his block. They could filibuster and shut down the Senate.

What likely changed is that they felt the heat the block for this position is causing and relented for this promotion This is for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, which is a pretty big deal. Milley must leave October 1st.

On this one, Tuberville didn't have the support for a filibuster.

jumi posted...

If the House speaker can kick Ilhan Omar off of a committee (for no reason btw), why can't Schumer kick Tuberville off of that committee?

It's not because he's on a committee. It's because one Senator can hold up the approval process and force a roll call vote.

i came in here thinking of amy schumer ngl

The Majority Leader (Schumer), chooses a person to provide "business intelligence" of the Senate. This person is the Majority Whip (Richard Durbin) and lets the Leader know who's for and against a vote, how many there are in each camp, and what quid pro quos are necessary to get votes (in which case they try to "whip up" votes).

In almost all cases, the Majority Leader brings nothing to the floor without having a reasonable chance of it passing.

Tubererville lost support on this vote probably because the CJCS is basically the CEO of the military, and too important a position to have open for long, if at all.

Hopefully, his support unravels altogether, and soon.

Serious_Cat posted...

It's not because he's on a committee. It's because one Senator can hold up the approval process and force a roll call vote.

Yes, but it's only because he's on that committee, the same way Feinstein is on the Judicial Committee which confirms judges. So just remove him from the committee.

Situations like this are starting to make me reconsider Anakins point.

We need a system where the politicians sit down and discuss the problem, decide whats in the best interest of all the people, and then do it.
Thats exactly what we do. The problem is that people dont always agree.
Then they should be made to.

Trumps shutdown, this Tuberville shit, filibustering in general thats not a functional system. Thats a pathetic fucking game. Its time people started getting kicked out over it. Judges can fine poor people under contempt of court for sneezing, yet these fucks can paralyse an entire federal government with no consequence?

It is getting very hard to defend democracy these days. Its a convoluted fucking mess thats far too tolerant of people stalling, obstructing and blockading.

With how shortsighted the FF turned out to be it's no wonder Ben Franklin invented glasses :V

I do think this whole fiasco highlights how quickly the filibuster needs to go. It is not in the Constitution. It's main use has been to stall things like civil rights legislation, the ACA and now this shit.

Instead of being the 'parliamentary debating tactic' it was promoted as, it's only ever been used as an obstruction tactic.

Tuberville should be entitled to one free kick to the balls from each person whose promotion/retirement/transfer/whatever he has prevented.

Dark_Arbron posted...

We need a system where the politicians sit down and discuss the problem, decide whats in the best interest of all the people, and then do it.
Thats exactly what we do. The problem is that people dont always agree.
Then they should be made to.

Sounds like democratic centralism to me.

Bass posted...

Sounds like democratic centralism to me.

Well if it works.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this one has anything to do with the filibuster. The Senate usually passes things like this basically as a handwave through unanimous consent. Tubby refusing to let that happen means they'd have to bring every single nomination up to a vote and there's a rule saying every bill allows for two hours of debate before calling a vote.

If Tubby or his fellow ghouls wanted to, they could use every single one of those two hours for all 600+ appointments. And that's assuming they then don't use the filibuster.

So giving in and doing it that way grinds Congress to a halt because they could be doing literally nothing else which is really what the Republicans want anyway.

pegusus123456 posted...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this one has anything to do with the filibuster. The Senate usually passes things like this basically as a handwave through unanimous consent. Tubby refusing to let that happen means they'd have to bring every single nomination up to a vote and there's a rule saying every bill allows for two hours of debate before calling a vote.

If Tubby or his fellow ghouls wanted to, they could use every single one of those two hours for all 600+ appointments. And that's assuming they then don't use the filibuster.

So giving in and doing it that way grinds Congress to a halt because they could be doing literally nothing else which is really what the Republicans want anyway.

Whether its literally the filibuster or not isnt my point. My point is the system being weaponised in a way that is nothing but obstructive and clearly not in the spirit of trying to help the nation.

People who do stuff like that need to face consequences. Lawyers who try to employ dodgy court room tactics get cautioned by the judge for doing so. I see no reason for that not to happen here. Filibustering needs to be countered with a get to the point or forfeit the floor.

When racist Tuberville was at Trump golf course a few months back they could have used his absence to ram through all the nominees. Instead Durbin plays by outdated "unwritten rules" saying another senator deserves respect and shouldn't take advantage. This is my one HUGE complaint against Democrats. They are are too concerned with decorum over results.

pegusus123456 posted...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this one has anything to do with the filibuster. The Senate usually passes things like this basically as a handwave through unanimous consent. Tubby refusing to let that happen means they'd have to bring every single nomination up to a vote and there's a rule saying every bill allows for two hours of debate before calling a vote.

If Tubby or his fellow ghouls wanted to, they could use every single one of those two hours for all 600+ appointments. And that's assuming they then don't use the filibuster.

So giving in and doing it that way grinds Congress to a halt because they could be doing literally nothing else which is really what the Republicans want anyway.

You can't filibuster judicial nominees. I imagine this is much the same.

I'd imagine defense contractors are applying some heat on this "blockade" too. Most (if not all) of the Pentagon's R&D programs, and probably a lot of procurement ones are in some way administered at the one star BGEN/RADM level (0-7).

A lot of these slots being held up are at that level and DOD doesn't really do the "acting position" thing. For them, these aren't "contracts", they're "orders (that may include contracts)".

If there's no one to lawfully take the order, that contract is as much as possible going to sit undone. These people aren't going to risk screwing up 20+ years for signing off on something that went wrong in an acting position and in most cases, they're not empowered to make those calls anyway.

And contractors know this.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Whether its literally the filibuster or not isnt my point. My point is the system being weaponised in a way that is nothing but obstructive and clearly not in the spirit of trying to help the nation.

People who do stuff like that need to face consequences. Lawyers who try to employ dodgy court room tactics get cautioned by the judge for doing so. I see no reason for that not to happen here. Filibustering needs to be countered with a get to the point or forfeit the floor.

Bro we also use filibusters as democrats to block awful republican policies

TonyKojima posted...

When racist Tuberville was at Trump golf course a few months back they could have used his absence to ram through all the nominees. Instead Durbin plays by outdated "unwritten rules" saying another senator deserves respect and shouldn't take advantage. This is my one HUGE complaint against Democrats. They are are too concerned with decorum over results.

Yes. The way liberalism enables fascism is a massive problem. This childish idea that we should be fair and play by the rules when our opponents are bad faith actors who exploit that mentality has to go. Republicans do all sorts of shit but when dems call them out the GOP cries about civility and the dems almost always back down.

We have to stop treating the conservatives as if they are merely people who disagree with us politically and start treating them as what they are, enemies of democracy and in some cases genocidal monsters.

DarthAragorn posted...

this is the exact opposite of rewarding it???

they told him to go fuck himself and pushed a nomination he'd been blocking through anyway

This is rewarding it. Tuberville couldn't ever block this sort of nomination, it's giving in to him to have an individual vote at all

brestugo posted...

I do think this whole fiasco highlights how quickly the filibuster needs to go. It is not in the Constitution. It's main use has been to stall things like civil rights legislation, the ACA and now this shit.

Instead of being the 'parliamentary debating tactic' it was promoted as, it's only ever been used as an obstruction tactic.

At the absolute very least it needs to be enforced. None of this bullshit ass Office "I declare filibuster!" Get your **** ass up there and fucking talk for 17 hours.

Heineken14 posted...

At the absolute very least it needs to be enforced. None of this bullshit ass Office "I declare filibuster!" Get your **** ass up there and fucking talk for 17 hours.

I can get on board with this. The spectacle created would probably backfire in Tubby's face. Most people are unaware of what he's doing, why he's doing it and how he's getting away with it. He's not gonna look good in a spotlight.

Tuberville talking for hours straight would be a fucking nightmare though.

brestugo posted...

Tuberville talking for hours straight would be a fucking nightmare though.

Politicians too have to earn their money from time to time.
A brief summary would suffice for the rest of us.

Is this more news about Republicans taking more Ls?

Heineken14 posted...

At the absolute very least it needs to be enforced. None of this bulls*** ass Office "I declare filibuster!" Get your **** ass up there and f***ing talk for 17 hours.

Can you imagine Tuverville talking about football for 17 straight hours? It's not like he knows enough about anything else - including the Senate in which he serves - to speak at length.

Wow, they finally found a spine and some common sense.

TonyKojima posted...

When racist Tuberville was at Trump golf course a few months back they could have used his absence to ram through all the nominees. Instead Durbin plays by outdated "unwritten rules" saying another senator deserves respect and shouldn't take advantage. This is my one HUGE complaint against Democrats. They are are too concerned with decorum over results.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Yes. The way liberalism enables fascism is a massive problem. This childish idea that we should be fair and play by the rules when our opponents are bad faith actors who exploit that mentality has to go. Republicans do all sorts of shit but when dems call them out the GOP cries about civility and the dems almost always back down.

We have to stop treating the conservatives as if they are merely people who disagree with us politically and start treating them as what they are, enemies of democracy and in some cases genocidal monsters.

It really is a big problem and it's a big part of why I'm so hard on Democrats and despise them quite a bit. They still think it's the 90/00s. Hopefully they're finally learning.

TonyKojima posted...

When racist Tuberville was at Trump golf course a few months back they could have used his absence to ram through all the nominees. Instead Durbin plays by outdated "unwritten rules" saying another senator deserves respect and shouldn't take advantage. This is my one HUGE complaint against Democrats. They are are too concerned with decorum over results.

Durbin is such a replacement-level senator. He needs to go

DarkChozoGhost posted...

This is rewarding it. Tuberville couldn't ever block this sort of nomination, it's giving in to him to have an individual vote at all

This. Voting one by one is not a viable solution and just gives the GOP what they want.

darkace77450 posted...

Can you imagine Tuverville talking about football for 17 straight hours? It's not like he knows enough about anything else - including the Senate in which he serves - to speak at length.

I've heard that he was a just above mediocre football coach, so he may not have much to say about that either.

pegusus123456 posted...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this one has anything to do with the filibuster. The Senate usually passes things like this basically as a handwave through unanimous consent. Tubby refusing to let that happen means they'd have to bring every single nomination up to a vote and there's a rule saying every bill allows for two hours of debate before calling a vote.

If Tubby or his fellow ghouls wanted to, they could use every single one of those two hours for all 600+ appointments. And that's assuming they then don't use the filibuster.

So giving in and doing it that way grinds Congress to a halt because they could be doing literally nothing else which is really what the Republicans want anyway.

Yes. The BBC summed it up pretty well.

Typically, the upper congressional chamber fast-tracks and confirms military nominations all together at once with bipartisan support, via a process known as unanimous consent.

But a single senator can prevent it, and Mr Tuberville has done so for eight months in objection to a US Defence Department abortion policy.

...

While Mr Schumer could theoretically confirm nominees on an individual basis, the non-partisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) concluded that doing so would eat up nearly 700 hours of floor time in the Senate.

Unanimous consent is "the only way to process multiple nominations quickly", the CRS said in a memo on Tuesday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66873107

700 hours means, for some context, that if the Senate spent eight hours a day every day doing nothing else but confirm military nominees it would take nearly three months for them to clear the current backlog.

This is obviously not a workable solution. In this context I think Schumer's one-by-one confirmation of three absolutely vital positions was all he could reasonably do.

brestugo posted...

I've heard that he was a just above mediocre football coach, so he may not have much to say about that either.

He's an awful person but he was a pretty good coach. Got coach of the year in 04 when Auburn went undefeated.

codey posted...

Bro we also use filibusters as democrats to block awful republican policies

What are some of the recent awful republican policies that were blocked?

Lillymon posted...

Yes. The BBC summed it up pretty well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66873107

700 hours means, for some context, that if the Senate spent eight hours a day every day doing nothing else but confirm military nominees it would take nearly three months for them to clear the current backlog.

This is obviously not a workable solution. In this context I think Schumer's one-by-one confirmation of three absolutely vital positions was all he could reasonably do.

Or the dems could grow a spine, arrange for Tuberville to not be there one day, and send them all through.

codey posted...

Bro we also use filibusters as democrats to block awful republican policies

What policies? They have no policies outside of tax breaks for the rich which arent subject to the filibuster.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Or the dems could grow a spine, arrange for Tuberville to not be there one day, and send them all through.

Another user pointed out that they tried this. Another senator cited an 'unwritten rule' that they not do that. Also said senator would obviously just pull the same shit if the Democrats tried to break that unwritten rule. Remember, the mass nominations require unanimous consent. It only requires one other Republican to take his place while absent and it seems there are several.