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Gwynevere 09/20/23 10:50:59 AM #1: |
The topic about souls fans got me thinking about how often I see a lot of Berserk readers completely miss the point of the plot, and Guts as a character overall. I've seen a lot of comments lamenting Berserk making a pivot from a dark revenge fantasy to more of a fantasy adventure, complaints about Guts going soft compared to the black swordsman arc, and overall just bitching about him being defeated by Griffith and currently just giving up hope.
The complaints mostly stem from the fact that we have less over the top apostle killing in the recent chapters, and more downtime with Guts realizing exactly the position he's in with the power gap between him and Griffith. People want less introspection, more big sword man swinging his big sword, basically. But the entire point of black swordsman and by extension, lost children and conviction was to highlight that by chasing revenge, Guts didn't actually earn anything or make any forward progress. Godot spells this out word for word for him in Cracks in the Blade: he had Casca and Rickert by his side post eclipse, and he chose to walk a path of revenge instead of staying to protect them both. He chose selfish desires instead of doing the difficult thing and confronting the pain he was feeling. Berserk was never supposed to just be a revenge fantasy like a lot of fans want it to be. Killing Griffith is a secondary objective to him and Casca healing from the immense trauma they experienced earlier in the story, and holding on to their humanity in a fucked up world.The character growth and development is the point, not the over the top violence. tldr: Berserk fans have terrible media literacy --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ironman2009 09/20/23 10:52:21 AM #2: |
Virgin Guts vs Chad casca
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Foppe 09/20/23 10:52:44 AM #3: |
Has he left the forest yet?
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Robot2600 09/20/23 10:54:33 AM #4: |
i only watch the anime cuz i cant read
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Unsuprised_Pika 09/20/23 11:01:56 AM #5: |
I've only read/watched a small portiom of the series and I understood that.
I gotta facepalm at ones who read the whole series or even half and don't get it. --- I post clips of my cool, stupid and glitchy MH Sunbreak and Tears of the Kingdom gameplay here just for fun. https://youtube.com/user/linkachu1000 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 09/20/23 11:02:21 AM #6: |
sometimes, you just want "Wow!! Cool Robot!!!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raikuro 09/20/23 11:04:09 AM #7: |
Sounds more like they do get it but just don't like the direction it's going ... Copied to Clipboard!
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R_Jackal 09/20/23 11:06:25 AM #8: |
The entire series had basically been beating people over the head with "Rage/Revenge is not a good coping mechanism" forever, but that's all they really want from it. I mean, the action scenes are great so I get it, I really do, but character growth arcs are equally important in my books, if not more so. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 09/20/23 11:11:20 AM #9: |
The entire series is Guts regaining his humanity and trying to find joy in life, especially in such a difficult world.
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Gwynevere 09/20/23 11:11:23 AM #10: |
Raikuro posted...
Sounds more like they do get it but just don't like the direction it's goingThat's been the direction since 1998: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/1/AAVkBcAAE26d.jpg At this point if someone is still wishing Berserk was something different, then they missed the point --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 09/20/23 11:17:20 AM #11: |
All I know is that they were on a boat for a very long time.
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Irony 09/20/23 11:18:42 AM #12: |
This should answer any questions about Berserk
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Gwynevere 09/21/23 8:58:02 AM #13: |
Leaks for the new chapter (out tomorrow) are out now btw
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mach25687 09/21/23 9:08:14 AM #14: |
Foppe posted...
Has he left the forest yet?Yep, in the saddest way for him. --- Best damn game about Ninja http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/ninjagolf/ninjagolf-flashgame.php ... Copied to Clipboard!
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havean776 09/21/23 9:12:15 AM #15: |
This is common in fiction. Alan Moore was horrified to find Rorschach was considered a badass.
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Xenogears15 09/21/23 9:24:33 AM #16: |
mach25687 posted...
Yep, in the saddest way for him. . --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mach25687 09/21/23 9:40:42 AM #17: |
Xenogears15 posted...
. --- Best damn game about Ninja http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/ninjagolf/ninjagolf-flashgame.php ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DnDer 09/21/23 9:47:14 AM #18: |
Gwynevere posted...
The topic about souls fans got me thinking about how often I see a lot of Berserk readers completely miss the point of the plot, and Guts as a character overall. Same fans who miss the point of Joker, Fight Club, or Breaking Bad? --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwynevere 09/21/23 10:06:36 AM #19: |
Xenogears15 posted...
.Honestly, I've been saying for a long time that if anyone deserves the killing blow on Griffith, it's Casca. Unfortunately, DnDer posted... Same fans who miss the point of Joker, Fight Club, or Breaking Bad?A bit, yeah. They like black swordsman era Guts, when not even Guts liked being black swordsman era Guts. I thought that the golden age arc did a good job of showing that Guts, despite his hardships, is actually a very caring and compassionate person and that the rest of the story is supposed to be him regaining that sense of humanity that was taken from him. I guess the point didn't land for a lot of people. --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ninjaman44 09/21/23 10:13:16 AM #20: |
It also seemed like the series lightened up a bit as Miura's mental health improved. Old Berserk was a bit too edgy imo. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xenogears15 09/21/23 10:22:08 AM #21: |
Gwynevere posted...
Honestly, I've been saying for a long time that if anyone deserves the killing blow on Griffith, it's Casca. Unfortunately, A bit, yeah. They like black swordsman era Guts, when not even Guts liked being black swordsman era Guts. I didn't get it either until I started buying the deluxe manga editions and did another read through. Having mostly remembered how much of an almlst uncaring monster killer he was, I almost forgot how caring he could be during the Golden Age arc. His interactions with Casca after The Advent were proof of some vestiges of said humanity, but I never really picked up on his regaining it until like, the VERY recent chapters. Goddammit. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwynevere 09/21/23 10:34:42 AM #22: |
Xenogears15 posted...
I'm hoping that they're not setting Casca up to be a damsel in distress. --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GiftedACIII 09/21/23 11:24:16 AM #23: |
Pretty much any grimdark series will have a bunch of edgelord fans genuinely think the grimdark setting and tone is cool, awesome, and the only thing worth caring about, and will push back against any remotely light-hearted moments.
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Xenogears15 09/21/23 11:29:17 AM #24: |
Gwynevere posted...
I'm hoping that they're not setting Casca up to be a damsel in distress. Yeah, making Casca into a Jill (FFXVI) would be a tremendous waste. Honestly the biggest gripe I had with Berserk over the years is what they did to Casca's character. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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