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Gwynevere 09/20/23 10:50:59 AM #1:	The topic about souls fans got me thinking about how often I see a lot of Berserk readers completely miss the point of the plot, and Guts as a character overall. I've seen a lot of comments lamenting Berserk making a pivot from a dark revenge fantasy to more of a fantasy adventure, complaints about Guts going soft compared to the black swordsman arc, and overall just bitching about him being defeated by Griffith and currently just giving up hope. The complaints mostly stem from the fact that we have less over the top apostle killing in the recent chapters, and more downtime with Guts realizing exactly the position he's in with the power gap between him and Griffith. People want less introspection, more big sword man swinging his big sword, basically. But the entire point of black swordsman and by extension, lost children and conviction was to highlight that by chasing revenge, Guts didn't actually earn anything or make any forward progress. Godot spells this out word for word for him in Cracks in the Blade: he had Casca and Rickert by his side post eclipse, and he chose to walk a path of revenge instead of staying to protect them both. He chose selfish desires instead of doing the difficult thing and confronting the pain he was feeling. Berserk was never supposed to just be a revenge fantasy like a lot of fans want it to be. Killing Griffith is a secondary objective to him and Casca healing from the immense trauma they experienced earlier in the story, and holding on to their humanity in a fucked up world.The character growth and development is the point, not the over the top violence. tldr: Berserk fans have terrible media literacy --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:976191668] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>The topic about souls fans got me thinking about how often I see a lot of Berserk readers completely miss the point of the plot, and Guts as a character overall. I've seen a lot of comments lamenting Berserk making a pivot from a dark revenge fantasy to more of a fantasy adventure, complaints about Guts going soft compared to the black swordsman arc, and overall just bitching about him being defeated by Griffith and currently just giving up hope.The complaints mostly stem from the fact that we have less over the top apostle killing in the recent chapters, and more downtime with Guts realizing exactly the position he's in with the power gap between him and Griffith. People want less introspection, more big sword man swinging his big sword, basically.But the entire point of black swordsman and by extension, lost children and conviction was to highlight that by chasing revenge, Guts didn't actually earn anything or make any forward progress. Godot spells this out word for word for him in Cracks in the Blade: he had Casca and Rickert by his side post eclipse, and he chose to walk a path of revenge instead of staying to protect them both. He chose selfish desires instead of doing the difficult thing and confronting the pain he was feeling.Berserk was never supposed to just be a revenge fantasy like a lot of fans want it to be. Killing Griffith is a secondary objective to him and Casca healing from the immense trauma they experienced earlier in the story, and holding on to their humanity in a fucked up world.The character growth and development is the point, not the over the top violence.tldr: Berserk fans have terrible media literacy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ironman2009 09/20/23 10:52:21 AM #2:	Virgin Guts vs Chad casca --- THRILLHO <cite>ironman2009 posted [p:976191697] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>Virgin Guts vs Chad casca </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 09/20/23 10:52:44 AM #3:	Has he left the forest yet? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:976191705] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>Has he left the forest yet? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 09/20/23 10:54:33 AM #4:	i only watch the anime cuz i cant read --- --- <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:976191739] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>i only watch the anime cuz i cant read </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsuprised_Pika 09/20/23 11:01:56 AM #5:	I've only read/watched a small portiom of the series and I understood that. I gotta facepalm at ones who read the whole series or even half and don't get it. --- I post clips of my cool, stupid and glitchy MH Sunbreak and Tears of the Kingdom gameplay here just for fun. https://youtube.com/user/linkachu1000 <cite>Unsuprised_Pika posted [p:976191868] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>I've only read/watched a small portiom of the series and I understood that.I gotta facepalm at ones who read the whole series or even half and don't get it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/20/23 11:02:21 AM #6:	sometimes, you just want "Wow!! Cool Robot!!!" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:976191877] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>sometimes, you just want "Wow!! Cool Robot!!!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raikuro 09/20/23 11:04:09 AM #7:	Sounds more like they do get it but just don't like the direction it's going <cite>Raikuro posted [p:976191909] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>Sounds more like they do get it but just don't like the direction it's going</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 09/20/23 11:06:25 AM #8:	The entire series had basically been beating people over the head with "Rage/Revenge is not a good coping mechanism" forever, but that's all they really want from it. I mean, the action scenes are great so I get it, I really do, but character growth arcs are equally important in my books, if not more so. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:976191949] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>The entire series had basically been beating people over the head with "Rage/Revenge is not a good coping mechanism" forever, but that's all they really want from it.I mean, the action scenes are great so I get it, I really do, but character growth arcs are equally important in my books, if not more so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/20/23 11:11:20 AM #9:	The entire series is Guts regaining his humanity and trying to find joy in life, especially in such a difficult world. --- CyricZ He/him http://twitch.tv/cyricz42 <cite>CyricZ posted [p:976192037] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>The entire series is Guts regaining his humanity and trying to find joy in life, especially in such a difficult world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 09/20/23 11:11:23 AM #10:	Raikuro posted... Sounds more like they do get it but just don't like the direction it's going That's been the direction since 1998: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/1/AAVkBcAAE26d.jpg At this point if someone is still wishing Berserk was something different, then they missed the point --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:976192042] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>Raikuro posted... </cite><quote>Sounds more like they do get it but just don't like the direction it's going</quote>That's been the direction since 1998:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/1/AAVkBcAAE26d.jpg At this point if someone is still wishing Berserk was something different, then they missed the point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 09/20/23 11:17:20 AM #11:	All I know is that they were on a boat for a very long time. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:976192176] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>All I know is that they were on a boat for a very long time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 09/20/23 11:18:42 AM #12:	This should answer any questions about Berserk https://youtu.be/Opk_kqU1wX8?si=80G9a2CHpVnAinx1 --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:976192206] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>This should answer any questions about Berserkhttps://youtu.be/Opk_kqU1wX8?si=80G9a2CHpVnAinx1 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 09/21/23 8:58:02 AM #13:	Leaks for the new chapter (out tomorrow) are out now btw ~~Looks like Rickert is finally gonna meet back up with Guts crew~~ --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:976212290] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>Leaks for the new chapter (out tomorrow) are out now btwLooks like Rickert is finally gonna meet back up with Guts crew </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mach25687 09/21/23 9:08:14 AM #14:	Foppe posted... Has he left the forest yet? Yep, in the saddest way for him. --- Best damn game about Ninja http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/ninjagolf/ninjagolf-flashgame.php <cite>mach25687 posted [p:976212450] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>Foppe posted... </cite><quote>Has he left the forest yet?</quote>Yep, in the saddest way for him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
havean776 09/21/23 9:12:15 AM #15:	This is common in fiction. Alan Moore was horrified to find Rorschach was considered a badass. --- "I will either find a way, or make one." Hannibal Barca <cite>havean776 posted [p:976212508] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>This is common in fiction. Alan Moore was horrified to find Rorschach was considered a badass. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenogears15 09/21/23 9:24:33 AM #16:	mach25687 posted... Yep, in the saddest way for him. .~~..please tell me newly "returned" Casca doesn't stay behind.~~ She's got almost just as much claim to Guts' crusade against Griffith as he does. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:976212691] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>mach25687 posted... </cite><quote>Yep, in the saddest way for him.</quote>...please tell me newly "returned" Casca doesn't stay behind. She's got almost just as much claim to Guts' crusade against Griffith as he does. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mach25687 09/21/23 9:40:42 AM #17:	Xenogears15 posted... .~~..please tell me newly "returned" Casca doesn't stay behind.~~ She's got almost just as much claim to Guts' crusade against Griffith as he does. ~~Nope, she is taken by Griffith while Gutts can't do anything against him.~~ --- Best damn game about Ninja http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/ninjagolf/ninjagolf-flashgame.php <cite>mach25687 posted [p:976212925] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>Xenogears15 posted... </cite><quote>...please tell me newly "returned" Casca doesn't stay behind. She's got almost just as much claim to Guts' crusade against Griffith as he does.</quote>Nope, she is taken by Griffith while Gutts can't do anything against him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 09/21/23 9:47:14 AM #18:	Gwynevere posted... The topic about souls fans got me thinking about how often I see a lot of Berserk readers completely miss the point of the plot, and Guts as a character overall. Same fans who miss the point of Joker, Fight Club, or Breaking Bad? --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976213024] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite><quote>The topic about souls fans got me thinking about how often I see a lot of Berserk readers completely miss the point of the plot, and Guts as a character overall.</quote>Same fans who miss the point of Joker, Fight Club, or Breaking Bad? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 09/21/23 10:06:36 AM #19:	Xenogears15 posted... .~~..please tell me newly "returned" Casca doesn't stay behind.~~ She's got almost just as much claim to Guts' crusade against Griffith as he does. Honestly, I've been saying for a long time that if anyone deserves the killing blow on Griffith, it's Casca. Unfortunately, ~~Griffith sharing a body with Casca and Guts son~~ complicates matters greatly DnDer posted... Same fans who miss the point of Joker, Fight Club, or Breaking Bad? A bit, yeah. They like black swordsman era Guts, when not even Guts liked being black swordsman era Guts. I thought that the golden age arc did a good job of showing that Guts, despite his hardships, is actually a very caring and compassionate person and that the rest of the story is supposed to be him regaining that sense of humanity that was taken from him. I guess the point didn't land for a lot of people. --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:976213354] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>Xenogears15 posted... </cite><quote>...please tell me newly "returned" Casca doesn't stay behind. She's got almost just as much claim to Guts' crusade against Griffith as he does.</quote>Honestly, I've been saying for a long time that if anyone deserves the killing blow on Griffith, it's Casca. Unfortunately, Griffith sharing a body with Casca and Guts son complicates matters greatlyDnDer posted... </cite><quote>Same fans who miss the point of Joker, Fight Club, or Breaking Bad?</quote>A bit, yeah. They like black swordsman era Guts, when not even Guts liked being black swordsman era Guts. I thought that the golden age arc did a good job of showing that Guts, despite his hardships, is actually a very caring and compassionate person and that the rest of the story is supposed to be him regaining that sense of humanity that was taken from him. I guess the point didn't land for a lot of people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninjaman44 09/21/23 10:13:16 AM #20:	It also seemed like the series lightened up a bit as Miura's mental health improved. Old Berserk was a bit too edgy imo. <cite>ninjaman44 posted [p:976213478] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>It also seemed like the series lightened up a bit as Miura's mental health improved. Old Berserk was a bit too edgy imo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenogears15 09/21/23 10:22:08 AM #21:	Gwynevere posted... Honestly, I've been saying for a long time that if anyone deserves the killing blow on Griffith, it's Casca. Unfortunately, ~~Griffith sharing a body with Casca and Guts son~~ complicates matters greatly ~~I never picked that up with the fetus.~~ But man, that makes some dark sense. A bit, yeah. They like black swordsman era Guts, when not even Guts liked being black swordsman era Guts. I thought that the golden age arc did a good job of showing that Guts, despite his hardships, is actually a very caring and compassionate person and that the rest of the story is supposed to be him regaining that sense of humanity that was taken from him. I guess the point didn't land for a lot of people. I didn't get it either until I started buying the deluxe manga editions and did another read through. Having mostly remembered how much of an almlst uncaring monster killer he was, I almost forgot how caring he could be during the Golden Age arc. His interactions with Casca after The Advent were proof of some vestiges of said humanity, but I never really picked up on his regaining it until like, the VERY recent chapters. ~~I totally missed Casca getting kidnapped, though. What a bummer. I was hoping that they would keep her away from any further damsel in distress storylines.~~ Goddammit. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:976213650] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite><quote>Honestly, I've been saying for a long time that if anyone deserves the killing blow on Griffith, it's Casca. Unfortunately, Griffith sharing a body with Casca and Guts son complicates matters greatly</quote>I never picked that up with the fetus. But man, that makes some dark sense.<quote>A bit, yeah. They like black swordsman era Guts, when not even Guts liked being black swordsman era Guts. I thought that the golden age arc did a good job of showing that Guts, despite his hardships, is actually a very caring and compassionate person and that the rest of the story is supposed to be him regaining that sense of humanity that was taken from him. I guess the point didn't land for a lot of people.</quote>I didn't get it either until I started buying the deluxe manga editions and did another read through. Having mostly remembered how much of an almlst uncaring monster killer he was, I almost forgot how caring he could be during the Golden Age arc. His interactions with Casca after The Advent were proof of some vestiges of said humanity, but I never really picked up on his regaining it until like, the VERY recent chapters.I totally missed Casca getting kidnapped, though. What a bummer. I was hoping that they would keep her away from any further damsel in distress storylines.Goddammit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 09/21/23 10:34:42 AM #22:	Xenogears15 posted... ~~I totally missed Casca getting kidnapped, though. What a bummer. I was hoping that they would keep her away from any further damsel in distress storylines.~~ Goddammit. I'm hoping that they're not setting Casca up to be a damsel in distress. Shierke seems to be using astral projection to head toward Falconia where she'll probably meet up with Casca, and the group of prostitutes that were taking care of her during the conviction arc are also in Falconia. I'm hoping her going there was just a set up for her to meet back up with that group and cause some mayhem from within. The chapter before last showed her pretty effortlessly destroying some soldiers, and she was shown after regaining her mind that she's still a very skilled fighter. They need to not waste her as a character. --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:976213891] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>Xenogears15 posted... </cite><quote>I totally missed Casca getting kidnapped, though. What a bummer. I was hoping that they would keep her away from any further damsel in distress storylines.Goddammit.</quote>I'm hoping that they're not setting Casca up to be a damsel in distress. Shierke seems to be using astral projection to head toward Falconia where she'll probably meet up with Casca, and the group of prostitutes that were taking care of her during the conviction arc are also in Falconia. I'm hoping her going there was just a set up for her to meet back up with that group and cause some mayhem from within. The chapter before last showed her pretty effortlessly destroying some soldiers, and she was shown after regaining her mind that she's still a very skilled fighter. They need to not waste her as a character. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 09/21/23 11:24:16 AM #23:	Pretty much any grimdark series will have a bunch of edgelord fans genuinely think the grimdark setting and tone is cool, awesome, and the only thing worth caring about, and will push back against any remotely light-hearted moments. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:976214935] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>Pretty much any grimdark series will have a bunch of edgelord fans genuinely think the grimdark setting and tone is cool, awesome, and the only thing worth caring about, and will push back against any remotely light-hearted moments. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenogears15 09/21/23 11:29:17 AM #24:	Gwynevere posted... I'm hoping that they're not setting Casca up to be a damsel in distress. Shierke seems to be using astral projection to head toward Falconia where she'll probably meet up with Casca, and the group of prostitutes that were taking care of her during the conviction arc are also in Falconia. I'm hoping her going there was just a set up for her to meet back up with that group and cause some mayhem from within. The chapter before last showed her pretty effortlessly destroying some soldiers, and she was shown after regaining her mind that she's still a very skilled fighter. They need to not waste her as a character. Yeah, making Casca into a Jill (FFXVI) would be a tremendous waste. Honestly the biggest gripe I had with Berserk over the years is what they did to Casca's character. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:976215070] in A lot of B... [t:80571852]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite><quote>I'm hoping that they're not setting Casca up to be a damsel in distress. Shierke seems to be using astral projection to head toward Falconia where she'll probably meet up with Casca, and the group of prostitutes that were taking care of her during the conviction arc are also in Falconia. I'm hoping her going there was just a set up for her to meet back up with that group and cause some mayhem from within. The chapter before last showed her pretty effortlessly destroying some soldiers, and she was shown after regaining her mind that she's still a very skilled fighter. They need to not waste her as a character.</quote>Yeah, making Casca into a Jill (FFXVI) would be a tremendous waste. Honestly the biggest gripe I had with Berserk over the years is what they did to Casca's character. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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