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Solar_Crimson
09/19/23 7:43:43 AM
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Yeah, I know the link goes to ResetEra, but still:
https://tinyurl.com/3d26dnn6

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/8/AAfgaVAAE2qK.jpg

And it sounds like they haven't given up on this, either. They're playing a long game.

Due to Japanese laws regarding acquisitions by foreign companies, I'm not sure if this will even be successful, but I'm sure they have already discussed that with their legal team.


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Beveren_Rabbit
09/19/23 7:48:10 AM
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Won't ever happen because it's literally international law that you cannot buy another country's business. Otherwise you'd have tiktok billionaires buying out developing countries.

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boomgetchopped3
09/19/23 7:50:39 AM
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MS can fuck off
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Dreepapult
09/19/23 7:50:52 AM
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Nintendo has said they'd rather go under completely than be owned by another company. Many many many times

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EmilyTheCEman
09/19/23 7:51:22 AM
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Please, if anything it should be the other way around.

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Karovorak
09/19/23 7:52:01 AM
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Eh...

I mean, having discussions like and aiming for the biggest opportunities is literally their job, and the content isn't showing any lack of respect either if you ask me.

Sure, loosing a big player like Nintendo in a hard market would not be in the best interest of the consumers, but I would expect that every big company has a dozens of mails going around like that. Most of them probably less mannered.
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DarkChozoGhost
09/19/23 7:54:07 AM
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This leaking ensures it will never happen. Nintendo will overreact and purge anyone in the company that has a moderately favorable opinion of Microsoft. They'll drop support for Minecraft. They'll reduce working with outside studios altogether, even ones that have nothing to do with Microsoft.

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DoctorPiranha3
09/19/23 7:54:22 AM
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Microsoft has wanted to acquire Nintendo since the early 2000s

From a business standpoint, can't really blame them. Nintendo is both not a true competitor to MS, and has exclusive rights to popular and unique IPs. MS has been chummy with Nintendo for years.
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Kazer
09/19/23 7:55:26 AM
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Does Phil Spencer want Microsoft to get laughed at again?
https://www.engadget.com/microsoft-wanted-to-buy-nintendo-145746874.html

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GuerrillaSoldier
09/19/23 7:55:30 AM
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ms literally wants to eventually acquire everything
with enough money, it can


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Dark_Arbron
09/19/23 7:56:16 AM
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Microsoft still aiming to be The Megacorp. Eventually all the software companies will combine and go into endless Armored Core-style warfare with all the oil companies combined and presumably whatever becomes of the supermarkets.

We just wont have kickass mechs.

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Trelve
09/19/23 8:03:16 AM
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Let's say that Nintendo went for it - no regulator would let it pass considering the trouble that Microsoft had getting the Activision deal over the line - and it's still not done yet as the UK is blocking.

The leaked mail also says that they're interested in acquiring Valve as well.
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Robot2600
09/19/23 8:04:51 AM
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Nah, Nintendo is traded but shareholders aren't a majority. The understand that it's their brand that makes them money, not short-sighted cost-cutting.

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EmilyTheCEman
09/19/23 8:32:11 AM
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Also what would all of fucking Nintendos value be? $100 billion?

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Sahel
09/19/23 8:32:16 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Due to Japanese laws regarding acquisitions by foreign companies, I'm not sure if this will even be successful, but I'm sure they have already discussed that with their legal team.
Beveren_Rabbit posted...
Won't ever happen because it's literally international law that you cannot buy another country's business. Otherwise you'd have tiktok billionaires buying out developing countries.
Foreign companies are able to invest and/or buy companies from another country. For example, America's Ford owns a 32% stake in China's Jiangling Motors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiangling_Motors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Motor_Company

Japan's Tango Gameworks is owned by America's Microsoft.
https://tangogameworks.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tango_Gameworks
https://www.indiedb.com/company/tango-gameworks
https://twitter.com/TangoGameworks
https://www.gematsu.com/companies/zenimax-media/tango-gameworks
https://www.mobygames.com/company/18380/tango-gameworks/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft


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voldothegr8
09/19/23 9:38:02 AM
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In his email to Microsofts Executive Vice President and Commercial Chief Marketing Officer, Takeshi Numoto, and Chief Marketing Officer, Chris Capossela, Spencer stated that its just taking a long time for Nintendo to see that its future exists off of their own hardware, but he is firm in his belief that the acquisition will happen at some point, and that Nintendo will eventually see things the way Microsoft does. Nintendo has yet to comment on the leaked statement from Phil Spencer.

Nintendo:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/1/1/AADdfsAAE2sj.jpg

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SpiritSephiroth
09/19/23 9:41:10 AM
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Ah yes, another company Microsoft can mismanage and fuck up.

No way in hell should this be allowed to happen, MS can fuck right off.

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ZevLoveDOOM
09/19/23 11:08:57 AM
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this is a joke right?
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Tyranthraxus
09/19/23 11:13:29 AM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
Won't ever happen because it's literally international law that you cannot buy another country's business. Otherwise you'd have tiktok billionaires buying out developing countries.

Everything about this post is false.

DarkChozoGhost posted...
This leaking ensures it will never happen. Nintendo will overreact and purge anyone in the company that has a moderately favorable opinion of Microsoft. They'll drop support for Minecraft. They'll reduce working with outside studios altogether, even ones that have nothing to do with Microsoft.

You're way overestimating what Nintendo's reaction will be and any potential sale won't be up to employees anyway.

Dreepapult posted...
Nintendo has said they'd rather go under completely than be owned by another company. Many many many times

Regardless of what they say, fiduciary duty will compel them otherwise. Doesn't mean they will be owned by Microsoft but they won't just "go under" either. Not that Nintendo is in any danger of such a thing happening anyway.


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Monferno_AQW
09/19/23 7:14:50 PM
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Nah, let Sony buy Nintendo.

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itcheyness
09/19/23 7:16:05 PM
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
this is a joke right?
If you read the email, Phil is saying in corporatespeak that it would be great if it happened, but it's not happening in the foreseeable future.

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thronedfire2
09/19/23 7:17:33 PM
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I mean, why wouldn't they try?

imagine if nintendo could just focus on making games instead of putting out consoles that are a generation behind in power

they'd obviously sell to Sony before MS though I bet

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Cuticrusader09
09/19/23 7:20:47 PM
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Trelve posted...
Let's say that Nintendo went for it - no regulator would let it pass considering the trouble that Microsoft had getting the Activision deal over the line - and it's still not done yet as the UK is blocking.

The leaked mail also says that they're interested in acquiring Valve as well.

Forget about US regulators, Japanese might not let it fly. They have a list of companies that outsiders cant buy (like Sony, Toyota, etc.) and I can see them adding Nintendo to the list just so Microsoft cant take them over.
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Punished_Blinx
09/19/23 7:21:51 PM
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It seems pretty obvious he knows it's a pipedream in the email. If anything he's explaining to the other executive why it isn't gonna happen while also telling him how great it would be if it did.

But yeah obviously if Nintendo ever said "We want to sell" it would be Microsoft in the front of that line. Although it's pretty obvious that the last few years has closed that door on them completely even if that were to somehow happen. No way would regulators ever approve it. If anything it's now in Microsoft's interest to keep them independent because if it's not them it would be another conglomerate like Apple, Amazon, Google or Disney.

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Tyranthraxus
09/19/23 7:22:44 PM
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Cuticrusader09 posted...
Forget about US regulators, Japanese might not let it fly. They have a list of companies that outsiders cant buy (like Sony, Toyota, etc.) and I can see them adding Nintendo to the list just so Microsoft cant take them over.

FEFTA aka "the list" already had Nintendo on it as a category 2 company. It doesn't mean you can't buy it, it just means you need the Japanese ministry of finance approval first for purchases greater than 1% of outstanding shares.

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EyeWontBeFooled
09/19/23 7:25:09 PM
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Dreepapult posted...
Nintendo has said they'd rather go under completely than be owned by another company. Many many many times

EmilyTheCEman posted...
Please, if anything it should be the other way around.


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Compsognathus
09/19/23 7:27:59 PM
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Karovorak posted...
Eh...

I mean, having discussions like and aiming for the biggest opportunities is literally their job, and the content isn't showing any lack of respect either if you ask me.

Sure, loosing a big player like Nintendo in a hard market would not be in the best interest of the consumers, but I would expect that every big company has a dozens of mails going around like that. Most of them probably less mannered.
Yeah I guarantee there are several other companies, including Sony who have internally discussed purchasing Nintendo.

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PraetorXyn
09/19/23 7:29:56 PM
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Im torn on that. On the one hand, I dont want Microsoft owning everything. On the other hand, having Nintendo games natively on Steam and not having to buy their shifty hardware would be fantastic.

Its a moot point either way, as the Japanese ministry of finance would never approve it.

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Inohira
09/19/23 7:30:00 PM
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The cat's out of the bag, MS would own the whole gaming industry if it could, hence the need for regulation.

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VerisimiIitude
09/19/23 7:32:39 PM
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Monferno_AQW posted...
Nah, let Sony buy Nintendo.
Not much better tbh

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CRON
09/19/23 7:36:28 PM
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If Nintendo were to ever get sold to a different company, Apple might be their best bet. Apple and Nintendo have very similar software/hardware design philosophies and both of them have the concept of gimmicky charm interwoven into both their hardware and software. Apple is also a much more popular and trusted brand in Japan than Microsoft and has a far better working relationship with Japanese software developers as a whole than Microsoft does.

The ace up Apple's sleeve which benefits Nintendo is that they're guaranteed to have a shitload of software sales as Nintendo games would theoretically be available on a console, Apple TV, iPhones, iPads, and Macs. Nintendo would also benefit from having guaranteed reliable and robust online infrastructure and services.

With Microsoft the only real advantage Nintendo has is "Your games won't be restricted to weak hardware".

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luigi33
09/19/23 7:46:37 PM
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Monferno_AQW posted...
Nah, let Sony buy Nintendo.
Fuck no. Sony buys Nintendo, Nintendo slowly transforms into a westernized company.

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Punished_Blinx
09/19/23 7:46:58 PM
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CRON posted...
If Nintendo were to ever get sold to a different company, Apple might be their best bet. Apple and Nintendo have very similar software/hardware design philosophies and both of them have the concept of gimmicky charm interwoven into both their hardware and software. Apple is also a much more popular and trusted brand in Japan than Microsoft and has a far better working relationship with Japanese software developers as a whole than Microsoft does.

The ace up Apple's sleeve which benefits Nintendo is that they're guaranteed to have a shitload of software sales as Nintendo games would theoretically be available on a console, Apple TV, iPhones, iPads, and Macs. Nintendo would also benefit from having guaranteed reliable and robust online infrastructure and services.

With Microsoft the only real advantage Nintendo has is "Your games won't be restricted to weak hardware".

"Introducing the Apple iPlay. The new and innovative way to unify your favorite Nintendo games and iOS titles in the one premium device. Releasing this year for $799"

Nah man that's a literal nightmare lol

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Inohira
09/19/23 7:47:37 PM
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CRON posted...
If Nintendo were to ever get sold to a different company, Apple might be their best bet. Apple and Nintendo have very similar software/hardware design philosophies and both of them have the concept of gimmicky charm interwoven into both their hardware and software. Apple is also a much more popular and trusted brand in Japan than Microsoft and has a far better working relationship with Japanese software developers as a whole than Microsoft does.

The ace up Apple's sleeve which benefits Nintendo is that they're guaranteed to have a shitload of software sales as Nintendo games would theoretically be available on a console, Apple TV, iPhones, iPads, and Macs. Nintendo would also benefit from having guaranteed reliable and robust online infrastructure and services.

With Microsoft the only real advantage Nintendo has is "Your games won't be restricted to weak hardware".

Nintendo doesn't overprice hardware or shill out the same barely improved products every year, key differences.

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Irony
09/19/23 7:48:15 PM
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luigi33 posted...
Fuck no. Sony buys Nintendo, Nintendo slowly transforms into a westernized company.
Too late for that

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CRON
09/19/23 7:50:34 PM
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Inohira posted...
Nintendo doesn't overprice hardware or shill out the same barely improved products every year, key differences.
Apple stopped using shit-tier SoCs a few years back and their own ARM-based SoCs have ridiculous performance and efficiency. I have an iPad Pro from 2018 which is still able to run demanding games at 4K/120FPS.

The only "same shit different year" product line of theirs is the iPhone but even then, nobody really upgrades from year to year anymore. There are iPhones from 2017 that still run perfectly fine.

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nexigrams
09/19/23 8:00:13 PM
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Probably doesn't change anything that this leaked. I think everyone knows that the ultimate acquisition in console gaming, for either Sony or Microsoft, would be to make Nintendo a first party publisher. Has been for like 30 years.

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