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Cheater87 09/17/23 8:33:33 PM #1:	Grand Theft Auto 3 through Vice City, but I was allowed to play Postal 2. --- Just call me Discount Dan. <cite>Cheater87 posted [p:976138099] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Grand Theft Auto 3 through Vice City, but I was allowed to play Postal 2. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Relient_K 09/17/23 8:34:06 PM #2:	None. I was never monitored for anything. --- We all ate the biscuits, Fighter. We can all see through time. [ER] <cite>Relient_K posted [p:976138110] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>None. I was never monitored for anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R1masher 09/17/23 8:35:16 PM #4:	Half-life 3 --- R1R1R1R1R1R1 <cite>R1masher posted [p:976138131] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Half-life 3 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 09/17/23 8:35:16 PM #3:	They made a bit of a fuss about GTA, but they didn't stop me from playing it. I can't think of any other examples --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:976138130] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>They made a bit of a fuss about GTA, but they didn't stop me from playing it. I can't think of any other examples </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
a-c-a-b 09/17/23 8:37:20 PM #5:	I can't really recall being restricted from playing anything. My parents never really paid close attention to the things I played, watched, listened to etc. --- Save for your doomed future <cite>a-c-a-b posted [p:976138159] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>I can't really recall being restricted from playing anything.My parents never really paid close attention to the things I played, watched, listened to etc. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GeminiDeus 09/17/23 8:40:49 PM #6:	Never got restricted from video games, even Mortal Kombat in the early 90s. --- Without truth, there is nothing. <cite>GeminiDeus posted [p:976138217] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Never got restricted from video games, even Mortal Kombat in the early 90s. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 09/17/23 8:41:37 PM #7:	anything M rated but medal of honor was fine cause you kill nazis --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:976138233] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>anything M ratedbut medal of honor was fine cause you kill nazis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Euripides 09/17/23 8:41:54 PM #8:	There was nothing on Intellivision for them to worry about --- people who car cars a whip are so cringe <cite>Euripides posted [p:976138238] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>There was nothing on Intellivision for them to worry about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Relient_K 09/17/23 8:42:37 PM #9:	thronedfire2 posted... anything M rated but medal of honor was fine cause you kill nazis That's legit. should always get a pass for killing nazis --- We all ate the biscuits, Fighter. We can all see through time. [ER] <cite>Relient_K posted [p:976138248] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite><quote>anything M ratedbut medal of honor was fine cause you kill nazis</quote>That's legit. should always get a pass for killing nazis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KCJ5062 09/17/23 8:43:51 PM #10:	Leisure Suit Larry. My older sister had the games, but I would often play them when they weren't around. My parents really didn't care about blood and gore in games. And by the time games like GTA 3 came out and games started to use stronger swear words, I was already 17. --- It's amazing how people hang around message boards of games they don't like <cite>KCJ5062 posted [p:976138266] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Leisure Suit Larry. My older sister had the games, but I would often play them when they weren't around.My parents really didn't care about blood and gore in games. And by the time games like GTA 3 came out and games started to use stronger swear words, I was already 17. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 09/17/23 8:53:51 PM #11:	Mom-Mortal Kombat after she thought it made me and my brotger fight and the Warcraft series because she thought it was Satanic. She later forgot all about it and let my brother play WoW. Until his grades slipped and then he lost that. Dad-Grand Theft Auto series-even when I was 17 he still wasn't okay with it. --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:976138458] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Mom-Mortal Kombat after she thought it made me and my brotger fight and the Warcraft series because she thought it was Satanic. She later forgot all about it and let my brother play WoW. Until his grades slipped and then he lost that. Dad-Grand Theft Auto series-even when I was 17 he still wasn't okay with it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 09/17/23 8:55:52 PM #12:	Relient_K posted... None. I was never monitored for anything. --- Michigan Wolverines 45 to Ohio state 23: 11/26/22 I Acknowledge The Usos <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:976138502] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Relient_K posted... </cite><quote>None. I was never monitored for anything.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 09/17/23 8:58:48 PM #13:	I was allowed to play whatever. My parents weren't oblivious either, we only had on TV for a while, so when you picked Misty up from the clinic in GTA3, my mom just laughed and said she had the clap. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:976138557] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>I was allowed to play whatever. My parents weren't oblivious either, we only had on TV for a while, so when you picked Misty up from the clinic in GTA3, my mom just laughed and said she had the clap. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 09/17/23 8:59:51 PM #14:	Just M rated games. Now shows/books on the other hand is a LOT more interesting. I had a super conservative Christian father who didn't let me watch or read Harry Potter. Made me throw away and cards having to do with dark magic or demons. Don't know if anyone remembers the Krazy bones toys. Lol I wasn't allowed to have those because "knuckles bone fortune telling". <cite>dioxxys posted [p:976138576] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Just M rated games.Now shows/books on the other hand is a LOT more interesting.I had a super conservative Christian father who didn't let me watch or read Harry Potter. Made me throw away and cards having to do with dark magic or demons. Don't know if anyone remembers the Krazy bones toys. Lol I wasn't allowed to have those because "knuckles bone fortune telling".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kai_Laguna 09/17/23 9:00:37 PM #15:	None, the only thing my parents cared about was that I wasn't getting arrested and that I stay out of their sight when they were getting drunk. <cite>Kai_Laguna posted [p:976138591] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>None, the only thing my parents cared about was that I wasn't getting arrested and that I stay out of their sight when they were getting drunk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 09/17/23 9:02:46 PM #16:	None. We did get serious talks when I got Mortal Kombat, GTA3, and some Duke Nukem game, but they knew that I knew they were just games and that we (my brother and sisters) shouldn't emulate nor re-enact them out here in the real world. None of us ever had any problems separating fiction from reality. --- S / K / Y / N / E <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:976138631] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>None. We did get serious talks when I got Mortal Kombat, GTA3, and some Duke Nukem game, but they knew that I knew they were just games and that we (my brother and sisters) shouldn't emulate nor re-enact them out here in the real world. None of us ever had any problems separating fiction from reality. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
evil_cricket 09/17/23 9:04:15 PM #17:	Relient_K posted... None. I was never monitored for anything. --- "It's good to be the king." <cite>evil_cricket posted [p:976138659] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Relient_K posted... </cite><quote>None. I was never monitored for anything.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 09/17/23 9:05:59 PM #18:	Relient_K posted... That's legit. should always get a pass for killing nazis my grandmother had to move out of germany because of ww2 so nazi killing in video games was encouraged --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:976138696] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Relient_K posted... </cite><quote>That's legit. should always get a pass for killing nazis</quote>my grandmother had to move out of germany because of ww2 so nazi killing in video games was encouraged </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthDemented 09/17/23 9:06:51 PM #19:	As long as there wasn't any gratuitous nudity we could play whatever we wanted. Worse we played was Duke 3D. Anything beyond those pixelated boobies we couldn't play...with their knowledge. --- Paula Wood. My love, my life. 1980-2021 https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198210788964/#sort=order <cite>DarthDemented posted [p:976138712] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>As long as there wasn't any gratuitous nudity we could play whatever we wanted. Worse we played was Duke 3D. Anything beyond those pixelated boobies we couldn't play...with their knowledge. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yunalenne10 09/17/23 9:09:51 PM #20:	I wanted to play SNES Barbie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TF32onxrrk <cite>yunalenne10 posted [p:976138761] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>I wanted to play SNES Barbie:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TF32onxrrk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 09/17/23 9:31:25 PM #21:	My parents bought me Doom for the SNES after years of playing the PS1 version at my aunt and uncles. I wasn't very old when I played Doom on the ps1, I think like 8 years old. They bought me many M rated games because they knew I obviously knew not to emulate anything I seen in the games. --- Michigan Wolverines 45 to Ohio state 23: 11/26/22 I Acknowledge The Usos <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:976139148] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>My parents bought me Doom for the SNES after years of playing the PS1 version at my aunt and uncles. I wasn't very old when I played Doom on the ps1, I think like 8 years old.They bought me many M rated games because they knew I obviously knew not to emulate anything I seen in the games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MorbidEngel 09/17/23 9:42:56 PM #22:	I remember having a hard time being allowed to play Turok 1 and Mortal Kombat Trilogy on N64 when I was 8, but by the time I was 9 or 10 that wasn't a problem anymore --- I am a super sandwich! http://www.last.fm/user/ToxicOrochi <cite>MorbidEngel posted [p:976139353] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>I remember having a hard time being allowed to play Turok 1 and Mortal Kombat Trilogy on N64 when I was 8, but by the time I was 9 or 10 that wasn't a problem anymore </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass 09/17/23 9:44:29 PM #23:	GTA and any shooter really. It sucked. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Bass posted [p:976139393] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>GTA and any shooter really. It sucked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
samsungsalt 09/17/23 9:48:44 PM #24:	I was already over 17 and with a job by the time I wanted to play most of the M rated games I wanted to. --- my old computer died and i didn't feel like resetting the password to my original account, so i created this one instead. now i only use it when i use my iphone <cite>samsungsalt posted [p:976139477] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>I was already over 17 and with a job by the time I wanted to play most of the M rated games I wanted to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HannibalBarca3 09/17/23 9:49:59 PM #25:	Resident Evil because it's satanic or something but I did get to play the original ones. --- Aut viam inveniam aut faciam. Will not change sig until the Tsar is put back in the Russian throne (July 08, 2010) <cite>HannibalBarca3 posted [p:976139503] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Resident Evil because it's satanic or something but I did get to play the original ones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrResetti 09/17/23 9:51:35 PM #26:	No restrictions. I think my dad bought me Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory when I bought the first Audioslave album at Best Buy. I had a GameCube but my best friend at the time has a PS2 and he had GTA3 and Vice City. It's probably the first time I used gamefaqs. R1R2L1R2LDRULDRU <cite>MrResetti posted [p:976139533] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>No restrictions. I think my dad bought me Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory when I bought the first Audioslave album at Best Buy.I had a GameCube but my best friend at the time has a PS2 and he had GTA3 and Vice City. It's probably the first time I used gamefaqs.R1R2L1R2LDRULDRU</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 09/17/23 9:51:51 PM #27:	Shortly after I received a Super Nintendo for my tenth birthday, my mother bought me a copy of Mortal Kombat II that she found at a yard sale. I just remember thinking, "Wow, you've never heard of this game before." I still have the cartridge. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:976139537] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Shortly after I received a Super Nintendo for my tenth birthday, my mother bought me a copy of Mortal Kombat II that she found at a yard sale. I just remember thinking, "Wow, you've never heard of this game before."I still have the cartridge.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
buddah86 09/17/23 9:52:28 PM #28:	Despite the majority of innuendo and jokes going over my head, my mum hated Leisure Suit Larry lol --- Stand out, fit in <cite>buddah86 posted [p:976139551] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Despite the majority of innuendo and jokes going over my head, my mum hated Leisure Suit Larry lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrResetti 09/17/23 9:55:16 PM #29:	MorbidEngel posted... Turok I got to rent that when I was 6. Whatever section the previous player had left the game in I just looked around. I was scared of the dinosaurs. <cite>MrResetti posted [p:976139617] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>MorbidEngel posted... </cite><quote>Turok</quote>I got to rent that when I was 6. Whatever section the previous player had left the game in I just looked around. I was scared of the dinosaurs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hayame_Zero 09/17/23 9:58:37 PM #30:	I wasn't allowed to play Mortal Kombat at first. By the time MK2 came out, all my friends were playing it, and they liked my friends, and they just said whatever. --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame_Zero posted [p:976139667] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>I wasn't allowed to play Mortal Kombat at first. By the time MK2 came out, all my friends were playing it, and they liked my friends, and they just said whatever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordFarquad1312 09/17/23 10:03:42 PM #31:	None really. One time my mom sat down and watched me play Vice City. Me not being an idiot, played extremely tame while she watched. After about 5 minutes, she straight up asked "Why did you run that red light?" and I was just like, "Iunno." --- El sexo sucio y el planeta limpio. "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:976139769] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>None really. One time my mom sat down and watched me play Vice City.Me not being an idiot, played extremely tame while she watched. After about 5 minutes, she straight up asked "Why did you run that red light?" and I was just like, "Iunno." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheater87 09/17/23 10:13:22 PM #32:	HannibalBarca3 posted... Resident Evil because it's satanic or something but I did get to play the original ones. How is Resident Evil satanic? --- Just call me Discount Dan. <cite>Cheater87 posted [p:976139943] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>HannibalBarca3 posted... </cite><quote>Resident Evil because it's satanic or something but I did get to play the original ones.</quote>How is Resident Evil satanic? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 09/17/23 10:40:41 PM #33:	I couldn't imagine having strict parents growing up. --- Michigan Wolverines 45 to Ohio state 23: 11/26/22 I Acknowledge The Usos <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:976140441] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>I couldn't imagine having strict parents growing up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nocturnal_traveler 09/17/23 10:42:37 PM #34:	None. In fact GTA3 was my mom's gateway into finally liking video games. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- <cite>nocturnal_traveler posted [p:976140469] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>None. In fact GTA3 was my mom's gateway into finally liking video games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Arcanine2009 09/17/23 10:44:53 PM #36:	None, but they did restrict some shows and movies due to sexual content. Not that they would know.. but we had to look away for kissing scenes. I'll never forget watching Gangs of New York with my brother, friend, mom, and friends mom. When it got to the sex scenes, they made us walk out. I think we saw Hulk instead. I was 14. --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:976140503] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>None, but they did restrict some shows and movies due to sexual content. Not that they would know.. but we had to look away for kissing scenes. I'll never forget watching Gangs of New York with my brother, friend, mom, and friends mom. When it got to the sex scenes, they made us walk out. I think we saw Hulk instead. I was 14. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NatsuSama 09/17/23 10:45:23 PM #37:	Basically rated M games. Rated T was the only thing they'd buy. Only way I got around that was a loophole of borrowing from a friend. --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT <cite>NatsuSama posted [p:976140513] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Basically rated M games. Rated T was the only thing they'd buy.Only way I got around that was a loophole of borrowing from a friend. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C-zom 09/17/23 11:01:20 PM #38:	UnholyMudcrab posted... They made a bit of a fuss about GTA, but they didn't stop me from playing it. I can't think of any other examples --- Since only from below can one better see the heights. http://i.imgur.com/OhZgm.jpg <cite>C-zom posted [p:976140793] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>They made a bit of a fuss about GTA, but they didn't stop me from playing it. I can't think of any other examples</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HannibalBarca3 09/17/23 11:03:37 PM #39:	Cheater87 posted... How is Resident Evil satanic? I remember their reason was that it has zombies lmao --- Aut viam inveniam aut faciam. Will not change sig until the Tsar is put back in the Russian throne (July 08, 2010) <cite>HannibalBarca3 posted [p:976140832] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Cheater87 posted... </cite><quote>How is Resident Evil satanic?</quote>I remember their reason was that it has zombies lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 09/17/23 11:04:48 PM #40:	None I wasn't really interested in anything remotely controversial until I was a teen. My dad also gamed, so he was able to know exactly what games I was playing because I had to share with him --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:976140852] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>NoneI wasn't really interested in anything remotely controversial until I was a teen. My dad also gamed, so he was able to know exactly what games I was playing because I had to share with him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
party_animal07 09/17/23 11:05:14 PM #41:	My parents didn't care. The one time a GameSpot employee wouldn't let me buy an M rated game, my mom just came in and bought it. --- https://warpzone.me/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/GRANDIA_-696x509.jpg <cite>party_animal07 posted [p:976140859] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>My parents didn't care. The one time a GameSpot employee wouldn't let me buy an M rated game, my mom just came in and bought it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kitt 09/17/23 11:09:11 PM #42:	The only game my mom had an issue with me playing was GTA3 only because it was all over the news at the time. Other than that, I was able to play pretty much any other M rated game at around 6 or so y.o., plus she got over GTA3 very quickly... --- What is up, my sister!? https://m.imgur.com/pmc9XsI https://m.imgur.com/hfzvdPe <cite>Kitt posted [p:976140912] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>The only game my mom had an issue with me playing was GTA3 only because it was all over the news at the time. Other than that, I was able to play pretty much any other M rated game at around 6 or so y.o., plus she got over GTA3 very quickly... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
electricbugs2 09/17/23 11:13:12 PM #43:	Wasn't allowed M rated games until I was 18, with the exception of Oblivion and Skyrim because Mom knew Morrowind was my favorite game. Same with R rated movies. My 18th birthday present was the Friday the 13th boxset lmfao. My Mom and Stepdad were hella strict because for some reason they thought I was a troublemaker and a "bad kid". --- Balenciaga hoodies and Gucci shoes #FreeMelly <cite>electricbugs2 posted [p:976140964] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Wasn't allowed M rated games until I was 18, with the exception of Oblivion and Skyrim because Mom knew Morrowind was my favorite game.Same with R rated movies. My 18th birthday present was the Friday the 13th boxset lmfao.My Mom and Stepdad were hella strict because for some reason they thought I was a troublemaker and a "bad kid". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 09/17/23 11:17:52 PM #44:	Cheater87 posted... How is Resident Evil satanic? its got Evil right in the name! --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:976141038] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>Cheater87 posted... </cite><quote>How is Resident Evil satanic?</quote>its got Evil right in the name! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
haloiscoolisbak 09/17/23 11:18:28 PM #45:	GTA 3 when it first came out as I was 10. But I was eventually allowed to have it at 13 and got it and Vice City within a few weeks of each other I also wasn't allowed to watch South Park til I was 13. At the time I felt like I had the strictest Puritan mother ever but 13 isn't really that old in hindsight --- Started from the bottom now we here <cite>haloiscoolisbak posted [p:976141049] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>GTA 3 when it first came out as I was 10. But I was eventually allowed to have it at 13 and got it and Vice City within a few weeks of each other I also wasn't allowed to watch South Park til I was 13. At the time I felt like I had the strictest Puritan mother ever but 13 isn't really that old in hindsight </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CassandraCroft 09/17/23 11:51:08 PM #46:	None because my childhood was spent playing Atari 2600, NES, Master System and Genesis games. There was little to no violence in those games so nothing to worry about. By the time more violent games came out in the 1990's I was in my late teens early twenties so well past the point of my parents caring what I played. --- All your base are belong to us. Been gaming since 1979. Xbox Live Account Sophitia99 <cite>CassandraCroft posted [p:976141587] in What video... [t:80569285]...</cite> <quote>None because my childhood was spent playing Atari 2600, NES, Master System and Genesis games.There was little to no violence in those games so nothing to worry about.By the time more violent games came out in the 1990's I was in my late teens early twenties so well past the point of my parents caring what I played. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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