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AceMos
09/14/23 7:35:36 PM
#1:


that zack is going to be a major character in it

seriously this stupid multiverse crap is just going to UHG

granted zack worked best when he was just a minor character in a optional flash back that rescued cloud

every thing else with him has just been dumb

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
09/14/23 7:37:19 PM
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I kinda saw the writing on the wall that they were gonna go full Compilation wank when I saw they were already emphasizing Sephiroth in Midgard.

FF7 was great but the Compilation was fucking awful.

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AceMos
09/14/23 7:39:24 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

i saw the recent trailer which made it clear zack is a main character in the game

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Tyranthraxus
09/14/23 7:48:29 PM
#5:


AceMos posted...
i saw the recent trailer which made it clear zack is a main character in the game
Zack had about as much screentime as Rufus. Is Rufus a major character too?

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SomeLikeItHoth
09/14/23 7:50:45 PM
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Elena should be a main character.

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BakonBitz
09/14/23 8:02:04 PM
#7:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Zack had about as much screentime as Rufus. Is Rufus a major character too?
I know you guys like to play coy, but it's pretty damn clear that Zack is going to be a major player in this one, far more than just being "the guy Cloud wants to emulate."

I'm personally not "mad" about it, but I can still see the writing on the wall, lol.

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GuerrillaSoldier
09/14/23 8:09:16 PM
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they just have to milk it for all it's worth
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itachi15243
09/14/23 8:10:48 PM
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Yeah, I agree. I really hope the trailer overplayed Zachs involvement by quite a bit. :/

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Cloudslash
09/14/23 11:18:47 PM
#10:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Is Rufus a major character too?

Yes. In the OG he actually has exponentially more screentime than Zack ever did, and certain aspects of the plot could not have happened without Rufus.

Also hi, I've never really visited this board before, someone linked me to this topic because I expressed similar misgivings. I don't like, hate Zack or anything, and I'm not opposed to changes to the story on principle (I thought a lot of the new material and characters in Remake were very well done actually) but I do think he's kinda boring as a character (likable, to be sure, but boring) and would rather see the devs devote those resources to experiment with new scenarios for the main cast who have a lot more depth to work with.

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AceMos
09/14/23 11:20:17 PM
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Cloudslash posted...
rather see the devs devote those resources to experiment with new scenarios for the main cast who have a lot more depth to work with.
same

im worried we wont get much time with the other character

hell a big fear i have

is cloud and zack fighting back to back against a army of monster

while the other characters just stand off to the side going "wow arnt they amazing"

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DarkBuster22904
09/14/23 11:25:30 PM
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You aren't wrong.

This whole remake project is just one long, winding, long winded excuse for Nomura to Nomura it up all over the plot just so he can retcon (og ff7 spoilers) Aerith's death. Make no mistake, that is the sole purpose of this new story.

One of the singularly most iconic and recognized powerful story beats in early gaming, thrown out the window because Nomura can't fucking help himself and cannot let a death stick.. It's literally EXACTLY kingdom hearts all over again. Square needs to hire someone to just stand next to the man with a rolled up newspaper, and smack him with it every time he decides to write something.

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AceMos
09/14/23 11:28:31 PM
#13:


DarkBuster22904 posted...
You aren't wrong.

This whole remake project is just one long, winding, long winded excuse for Nomura to Nomura it up all over the plot just so he can retcon (og ff7 spoilers) Aerith's death.

One-off the singularly most iconic and recognized powerful story beats in early gaming, thrown out the window because Nomura can't fucking help himself. It's literally EXACTLY kingdom hearts all over again. Square needs to hire someone to just stand next to the man with a rolled up newspaper, and smack him with it every time he decides to write something.
i would not even mind that if this was just a regular remake no meta crap

and instead of aerith dieing we had say cloud die and the remake explored how that would effect the rest of the plot

but no this is not a remake or even a clever examination of how the plot could unfold if a different path was taken

its this overly convoluted meta crap that requires you to play tons of other FF7 games to under stand all the minute details

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Holy_Cloud105
09/14/23 11:30:06 PM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
I kinda saw the writing on the wall that they were gonna go full Compilation wank when I saw they were already emphasizing Sephiroth in Midgard.

FF7 was great but the Compilation was fucking awful.
They're not doing compilation wank. They're actively going against everything about the compilation. Remake straight out tells you that the OG game and the compilation is the bad ending. They even have you kill Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo in the final fight too.

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Tyranthraxus
09/14/23 11:33:26 PM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
They're not doing compilation wank. They're actively going against everything about the compilation. Remake straight out tells you that the OG game and the compilation is the bad ending. They even have you kill Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo in the final fight too.

They're right though. It is the bad ending and that's why I'd love to see another shot at a good ending.

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AceMos
09/14/23 11:35:26 PM
#16:


Tyranthraxus posted...
They're right though. It is the bad ending and that's why I'd love to see another shot at a good ending.
no no it was not a bad ending

they saved the world we even see that the world has recovered from mako poisoning in the future

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Holy_Cloud105
09/14/23 11:35:42 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
They're right though. It is the bad ending and that's why I'd love to see another shot at a good ending.
Considering who is writing the story for this remake, you better not get your hopes up. Kitase is a hack. I just have to point you towards his plot for FFX-3.

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thronedfire2
09/14/23 11:37:00 PM
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it's way too early to complain, we have no idea how they'll handle it at all

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BakonBitz
09/14/23 11:37:10 PM
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
You aren't wrong.

This whole remake project is just one long, winding, long winded excuse for Nomura to Nomura it up all over the plot just so he can retcon (og ff7 spoilers) Aerith's death. Make no mistake, that is the sole purpose of this new story.

One of the singularly most iconic and recognized powerful story beats in early gaming, thrown out the window because Nomura can't fucking help himself and cannot let a death stick.. It's literally EXACTLY kingdom hearts all over again. Square needs to hire someone to just stand next to the man with a rolled up newspaper, and smack him with it every time he decides to write something.
Eh...they've been teasing the spoiler so much (Hamaguchi literally had a statement saying "I know fans are dying to see a particular scene") so they have to be keeping it.

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AceMos
09/14/23 11:37:15 PM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Considering who is writing the story for this remake, you better not get your hopes up. Kitase is a hack. I just have to point you towards his plot for FFX-3.
god i hate that shit

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Tyranthraxus
09/14/23 11:38:30 PM
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AceMos posted...
no no it was not a bad ending

they saved the world we even see that the world has recovered from mako poisoning in the future

That ending is horse shit. I didn't play the whole fucking game just to see a god damn cutscene of what midgar looks like 300 years later and literally nothing else.

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AceMos
09/14/23 11:39:35 PM
#22:


Tyranthraxus posted...
That ending is horse shit. I didn't play the whole fucking game just to see a god damn cutscene of what midgar looks like 300 years later and literally nothing else.
errr it takes time for a planet to heal the fact it only took 300 years for the planet to heal is amazing

but they stopped meteor the world was saved

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Tenlaar
09/14/23 11:41:03 PM
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Oh look, AceMos found a new thing to hate except this time its hating something she imagined instead of something she misunderstands. Pro tip, nobody is making you play the game.
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Baha05
09/14/23 11:42:09 PM
#24:


Another Ace topic complaining about shit?

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Tyranthraxus
09/14/23 11:50:19 PM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Considering who is writing the story for this remake, you better not get your hopes up. Kitase is a hack. I just have to point you towards his plot for FFX-3.

Kitase did the story for the original FF7 and was also involved in a lot of other games as a director or producer that are generally praised for their stories like Chrono Trigger.

He wrote one shitty ass stupid novella. So what? He's on the project obviously in part because he's unsatisfied with the ending he wrote originally and wants to do better and I feel he definitely deserves a chance.

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Revelation34
09/14/23 11:51:52 PM
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So much for being a remaster.

I absolutely do not want them to butcher FF6 with a "remake".

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Holy_Cloud105
09/15/23 12:36:54 AM
#27:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Kitase did the story for the original FF7 and was also involved in a lot of other games as a director or producer that are generally praised for their stories like Chrono Trigger.

He wrote one shitty ass stupid novella. So what? He's on the project obviously in part because he's unsatisfied with the ending he wrote originally and wants to do better and I feel he definitely deserves a chance.
Most of CT was written by Masato Kato. FF7 was split between multiple people and Nomura had to veto some of his crazy ideas, which Nomura said he also had to do for Remake. FF10 was split between multiple people. Kitase was involved in a total of 4 games people would look at and think they had good stories. All 4 were 20+ years ago and he's been with SE for 32 years. When Kitase and Nojima have unfettered control of a story, they have not delivered once. The Kitase of now is a hack.

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AceMos
09/15/23 5:51:53 AM
#28:


bump

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Dark_Arbron
09/15/23 6:16:32 AM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Most of CT was written by Masato Kato. FF7 was split between multiple people and Nomura had to veto some of his crazy ideas, which Nomura said he also had to do for Remake. FF10 was split between multiple people. Kitase was involved in a total of 4 games people would look at and think they had good stories. All 4 were 20+ years ago and he's been with SE for 32 years. When Kitase and Nojima have unfettered control of a story, they have not delivered once. The Kitase of now is a hack.

This. Its the original writer, how could they be wrong? Guess what else has the original writer involved and still shits all over itself? Dragonball Super.

When a writer doesnt show respect to their own work anymore its time to stop revering them as God. There are passionate fans who know more about DB than Toriyama these days. Id trust their word over his at this point.

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Foppe
09/15/23 6:45:16 AM
#30:


Cloudslash posted...
and certain aspects of the plot could not have happened without Rufus.
Cant the same be said about Zack?

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Dark_Arbron
09/15/23 6:49:47 AM
#31:


Foppe posted...
Cant the same be said about Zack?

True, its just that Zacks purpose was already clear. He was a backstory character, and the more they feature him being a badass protagonist, the harder it gets to believe that he could get gunned down like a chump.

Theyre doing the same thing the Star Wars franchise has been doing for a while, especially under Disney. Giving side characters like Boba Fett their own story, and turning Darth Vader/Sephiroth into the centre or the universe, even though originally they were one part of a larger story.

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pegusus123456
09/15/23 6:52:36 AM
#32:


Dark_Arbron posted...
the more they feature him being a badass protagonist, the harder it gets to believe that he could get gunned down like a chump.
Well, he didn't lol

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Dark_Arbron
09/15/23 6:54:38 AM
#33:


pegusus123456 posted...
Well, he didn't lol

In the original game he did. Not until the compilation does he go down in a badass last stand.

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pegusus123456
09/15/23 6:56:22 AM
#34:


I'm saying the one in the remake didn't get gunned down like a chump cuz he lived, bitch.

that was a meme, I'm not calling you a bitch

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Dark_Arbron
09/15/23 6:58:45 AM
#35:


pegusus123456 posted...
I'm saying the one in the remake didn't get gunned down like a chump cuz he lived, bitch.

that was a meme, I'm not calling you a bitch

Ah, haha. I understand now.

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Aysander
09/15/23 7:03:22 AM
#36:


Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Considering who is writing the story for this remake, you better not get your hopes up. Kitase is a hack. I just have to point you towards his plot for FFX-3.

Kitase also wrote the original.

And Nomura, for all his personal wackiness, seems to be managing to reign in Kitase's worst impulses (Which 100% would have been X-3ish lol) for what it's worth.

It's not perfect but honestly the ride has been enjoyable enough so far.

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spikethedevil
09/15/23 7:04:52 AM
#37:


Aysander posted...
Kitase also wrote the original.

And Nomura, for all his personal wackiness, seems to be managing to reign in Kitase's worst impulses (Which 100% would have been X-3ish lol) for what it's worth.

It's not perfect but honestly the ride has been enjoyable enough so far.

This @Holy_Cloud105

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Cobra1010
09/15/23 8:08:11 AM
#38:


I read somewhere that it was kinase who wanted to change it up and nomura was the one trying to keep it faithful but ultimately kinase had his way.

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AceMos
09/15/23 8:10:56 AM
#39:


pegusus123456 posted...
I'm saying the one in the remake didn't get gunned down like a chump cuz he lived, bitch.

that was a meme, I'm not calling you a bitch
you seem confused the zack in this game is from a different universe

he even has his own cloud with him

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Dark_Arbron
09/15/23 8:17:26 AM
#40:


If the remake spares Aerith that will confirm once and for all that the entire thing is a fix fic. Next well be getting Romeo and Juliet where they both survive.

Or a Titanic movie where everyone survives.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic:_The_Legend_Goes_On

Well, shit.


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Holy_Cloud105
09/15/23 9:10:22 AM
#41:


Cobra1010 posted...
I read somewhere that it was kinase who wanted to change it up and nomura was the one trying to keep it faithful but ultimately kinase had his way.
I believe it was the Ultimania that said it. Nomura wanted a 1:1 remake of the story. Kitase and Nojima fought him to change the story and he gave up but he stopped their crazier ideas from changing the story too much. I believe he said they wanted an entirely new story. However, Nomura is not as involved with Rebirth. So we'll see what Kitase and Nojima fucked up even more.

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Xenogears15
09/15/23 9:15:20 AM
#42:


Why can't people just enjoy things?

The only thing I found bad about Remake was the last 15 minutes or so (okay, the "ghosts" were a little sus, but I felt they were sufficiently explained lore-wise). Everything else was good-to-stellar. Hell, I feel most of Remake was better than the original, even.

Now I feel people are complaing too much about a game just because it isn't like they remember in their childhood memories. Why can't y'all just accept this as its own thing?

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AceMos
09/15/23 9:25:40 AM
#43:


Xenogears15 posted...
Now I feel people are complaing too much about a game just because it isn't like they remember in their childhood memories. Why can't y'all just accept this as its own thing?
i even stated in this topic id be fine if it was very different

my issue is the execution

all this meta timeline alt universe crap

bringing in zack and all this stuff


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Baha05
09/15/23 9:30:34 AM
#44:


AceMos posted...
i even stated in this topic id be fine if it was very different

my issue is the execution

all this meta timeline alt universe crap

bringing in zack and all this stuff

Which is a rather silly point because the story is still being made so we have no clue how it will be relevant or end. Hell honestly its hard to tell if it is even alternate universe based stuff since technically speaking you could be more based on dreaming too.

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PowerOats
09/15/23 9:35:20 AM
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Someday the dream will end...

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DuuuDe14
09/15/23 9:36:22 AM
#46:


Gamers don't like games.

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Baha05
09/15/23 9:37:15 AM
#47:


DuuuDe14 posted...
Gamers don't like games.
Basically online gamers and forums were a mistake. More somsince if they did the remake people claim they want they would complain about that one too.

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AceMos
09/15/23 9:37:41 AM
#48:


yes how dare i criticize a product

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Baha05
09/15/23 9:52:16 AM
#49:


AceMos posted...
yes how dare i criticize a product
Criticism isnt protected from other criticism.

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Revelation34
09/15/23 11:07:08 AM
#50:


DuuuDe14 posted...
Gamers don't like bad games.


I fixed that for you.

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