Current Events > just .4 seconds remain until super mario bros speed runing hits the limit

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khu9BB2g4Ks

here is the current world record and its just .4 seconds away from the absolute limit

So whoever gets a perfect run will forever be the champion of SMB1?

ew, not using an NES controller

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there will also be the warpless record to aim for which has plenty of time left to save on it

Is it definitely the absolute limit? Couldnt someone find another exploit?

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Just wait for some weird cosmic screw up like in SM64.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Is it definitely the absolute limit? Couldnt someone find another exploit?

its very very very unlikely

super mario bros has been torn apart down to its code and so heavily examined its very unlikely new exploits exist

unless some one some how finds a way to break the max speed limit on mario himself (which seems very very unlikely) this is it

MarthGoomba posted...

ew, not using an NES controller

Controllers are overrated for 2D platformers. I get the nostalgia, but you can hit more buttons at once with several fingers on a keyboard than you can with your thumb on a controller.

Thats why I can play Megaman so well. I can dash, jump and shoot all at the same time. Maybe thats why I enjoy Megaman & Bass. Playing that on a controller would suck.

AceMos posted...

its very very very unlikely

super mario bros has been torn apart down to its code and so heavily examined its very unlikely new exploits exist

unless some one some how finds a way to break the max speed limit on mario himself (which seems very very unlikely) this is it

what about memory manipulation?

Bro might need to get checked for real though. Heart rate almost 190

Kloe_Rinz posted...

what about memory manipulation?

The current warp tas is from 2011.
The current warpless tas is from 2018.
I would be surprised if they hadnt looked into memory manipulation by now.

Foppe posted...

The current warp tas is from 2011.
The current warpless tas is from 2018.
I would be surprised if they hadnt looked into memory manipulation by now.

indeed like i said the games code has been so thoroughly examined its very unlikely any new tricks will be found

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so i imagine we will also get the sonic youtube video out of this

MedeaLysistrata posted...

so i imagine we will also get the sonic youtube video out of this

wha

MedeaLysistrata posted...

so i imagine we will also get the sonic youtube video out of this

good question. i'm not sure how close sonic is to the fastest run theoretically possible.

oh, yeah, that probably is the sonic youtube video

Whoever gets it first will be the champion of SMB1 even as others tie it. Whoever does it, if they are smart about it, can use it to launch themselves into a bigger spotlight.

Watch Billy Mitchell do it.

If it's known to be 0.4 seconds, then it's already known where those 24 frames happen.

Questionmarktarius posted...

If it's known to be 0.4 seconds, then it's already known where those 24 frames happen.

It sounds like it's all in 8-4.

PiOverlord posted...

It sounds like it's all in 8-4.

it is

I can't wait to see a TAS vs. "RTA" vid when someone does get the perfect run.

derp420 posted...

Watch Billy Mitchell do it.

Todd would claim he did it in 3 minutes flat in 82

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Is it definitely the absolute limit? Couldnt someone find another exploit?

There's going to be exploits that aren't possible on original environment accurate emulation but nobody really cares about those. The game's assembly instructions have been manually parsed for all possible time saving opportunities.

While improvements to the human accuracy might still come out over time, the TAS is the ultimate limit.

Questionmarktarius posted...

If it's known to be 0.4 seconds, then it's already known where those 24 frames happen.

It's not necessarily 24 frames. Mario speedruns are measured in framerules and a single frame of missed input can cost you multiple framerules.

Tyranthraxus posted...

It's not necessarily 24 frames. Mario speedruns are measured in framerules and a single frame of missed input can cost you multiple framerules.

Isn't 8-4 the exception to that, in that the speedrun ends the instant you touch the axe rather than, to use the common framerule metaphor, waiting for the bus?

DeathVelvien posted...

Isn't 8-4 the exception to that, in that the speedrun ends the instant you touch the axe rather than, to use the common framerule metaphor, waiting for the bus?

Some of the maze skips are framerule dependent iirc. Framerule losses really only happen when you lose control of Mario i.e. going up and down pipe animations and level end sequences. If you can't make a transition during a certain frame rule, the game will wait for another frame rule to begin before doing whatever it needs to do next.

How much lower would the record be if the score countdowns could be skipped?

Oh fair enough, forgot about the pipe transitions and such lol

MarthGoomba posted...

ew, not using an NES controller

I kind of agree with this. Im not saying that playing on keyboard doesnt require a lot of skill, but I, personally, think its possible to setup a keyboard to give the runner an advantage (not talking about left+right inputs or other disallowed things). I used to watch a SMW Kaizo runner, and he got a specialized controller that he said helped him out a lot because the buttons were setup in a way he wouldnt get incorrect inputs anymore. Basically, he kept accidentally hitting up on his d-pad, and the new controller made that basically impossible. To me, thats an advantage. Now, Im not really a member of the community, so I have no say in rules. Just voicing my two cents in the matter. I just think there should be a different category for emulator versus console. They both require extreme skill to run at this level, but in my opinion, there are enough differences in game play.

gmo7897 posted...

I kind of agree with this. Im not saying that playing on keyboard doesnt require a lot of skill, but I, personally, think its possible to setup a keyboard to give the runner an advantage. I used to watch a SMW Kaizo runner, and he got a specialized controller that he said helped him out a lot because the buttons were setup in a way he wouldnt get incorrect inputs anymore. Basically, he kept accidentally hitting up on his d-pad, and the new controller made that basically impossible. To me, thats an advantage. Now, Im not really a member of the community, so I have no say in rules. Just voicing my two cents in the matter. I just think there should be a different category for emulator versus console. They both require extreme skill to run at this level, but in my opinion, there are enough differences in game play.

The keyboard is accepted for various reasons, most notably, believe it or not, because of physical injury. The nes controller is just not very ergonomic and hitting some of the inputs requires you to do unusual things to even make it possible like holding the controller upside down and pressing the buttons with your knuckles.

As long as your environment perfectly replicates original hardware it's accepted.

Maybe someday there will be an "actual original hardware" category but it seems needlessly punishing. Many former WR holders have quit Any% SMB1 because of pain issues.

It's TAS Tied until 8-4, where framerules don't matter. Both This runner and one other have tied the TAS on 8-4 once before. It is 100% doable that the TAS can be tied but it will take the run of the gods and won't be tied for a VERY long time afterwards.

That run was a third of a second faster through Levels 8(1-3).
You will never see it broken like that again. We're talking hundredths of a second in time savings.