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Gwynevere
09/06/23 9:29:29 AM
#50:


Nosferatu_Zodd posted...
Also he better not fill his home with the wrong items or its off to the re-education camps.
Are you talking about communists or the ideal world of theocratic politicians in red states?

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bigblu89
09/06/23 9:30:59 AM
#51:


WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
And then he will follow the communist and spend all his time trying to figure out how to fill it with stuff because that's what people do and we have whole industries dedicated to making bullshit that no one ever needs for their home because of capitalism.

Thanks for the insight, Tyler Durden.

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scar_the_1
09/06/23 9:31:42 AM
#52:


IShall_Run_Amok posted...
In the USA, they just murder you if you step out of line.
Or if you are black while driving a car and complying with police officers

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 9:32:12 AM
#53:


WingsOfGood posted...
wait so it is communally owned? but that sounds like communism

brain being fried
people can define their household however they want. communism doesn't mean everyone owns your shit because then everyone would have to be involved in everyone's business. it just means the labour machine isn't represented by one person and the wealth isn't a pyramid, but mostly goes into making the labour machine work i guess? i need to read more marx. where is joel.

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WingsOfGood
09/06/23 9:32:37 AM
#54:


hey if you guys don't like the USA you are free to leave!

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SaikyoStyle
09/06/23 9:33:39 AM
#55:


Capitalism has killed more and destroyed more than communism ever has. And it was all by design.

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Trelve
09/06/23 9:33:51 AM
#56:


WingsOfGood posted...
hey if you guys don't like the USA you are free to leave!

/s
Meanwhile in Communist states, they build walls to stop their own citizens escaping.
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VeggetaX
09/06/23 9:34:13 AM
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WTF is happening here. Are you guys seriously arguing communism vs capitalism? Lmao

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WingsOfGood
09/06/23 9:34:35 AM
#58:


MedeaLysistrata posted...
people can define their household however they want. communism doesn't mean everyone owns your shit because then everyone would have to be involved in everyone's business. it just means the labour machine isn't represented by one person and the wealth isn't a pyramid, but mostly goes into making the labour machine work i guess? i need to read more marx. where is joel.

yes but I going from the false perception of people posting ITT

paying taxes or you lose your house? doesn't that mean your home is not yours and is communally owned!

GASP

wait capitalism = communism?!?!

oh but most people are renting so they don't even think about this :D
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WingsOfGood
09/06/23 9:35:35 AM
#59:


Trelve posted...
Meanwhile in Communist states, they build walls to stop their own citizens escaping.

So if we but a bunch of buzzsaws at the border to maim people is that a means of preventing escape or entree?
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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 9:35:41 AM
#60:


WingsOfGood posted...
yes but I going from the false perception of people posting ITT

paying taxes or you lose your house? doesn't that mean your home is not yours and is communally owned!

GASP

wait capitalism = communism?!?!

oh but most people are renting so they don't even think about this :D
Well yeah but most people don't have trouble paying their bills

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SaikyoStyle
09/06/23 9:36:54 AM
#61:


WingsOfGood posted...
So if we but a bunch of buzzsaws at the border to maim people is that a means of preventing escape or entree?
Are you insinuating that the USA are secret communists?

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McMarbles
09/06/23 9:37:10 AM
#62:


SaikyoStyle posted...
Capitalism has killed more and destroyed more than communism ever has. And it was all by design.
Im sure the people murdered under Stalin and Mao would be relieved to know that its okay because capitalism is also bad.

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CryoForceOmelet
09/06/23 9:37:32 AM
#63:


Trelve posted...
Meanwhile in Communist states, they build walls to stop their own citizens escaping.
The country with the largest incarcerated population and thus one of the largest slave labor forces is the United States of America.

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SaikyoStyle
09/06/23 9:37:38 AM
#64:


McMarbles posted...
Im sure the people murdered under Stalin and Mao would be relieved to know that its okay because capitalism is also bad.
You should learn to read and then read about history, politics, and economics.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 9:38:14 AM
#65:


McMarbles posted...
Im sure the people murdered under Stalin and Mao would be relieved to know that its okay because capitalism is also bad.
I mean yeah, two explanations and one is more historically relevant most likely

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WingsOfGood
09/06/23 9:38:32 AM
#66:


SaikyoStyle posted...
Are you insinuating that the USA are secret communists?

do I own my house or does the state?

you tell me
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SaikyoStyle
09/06/23 9:38:52 AM
#67:


Nothing sadder than someone who thinks theyre one of the capitalists

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SaikyoStyle
09/06/23 9:39:22 AM
#68:


WingsOfGood posted...
do I own my house or does the state?

you tell me
Your landlord owns it.

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royic
09/06/23 9:39:43 AM
#69:


The main difference in the evils of Stalin and Hitler is that Stalin committed genocide to secure power separately from any communist ideology, Hitler committed genocide because that *is* the ideology of Nazism.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 9:39:55 AM
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US lacks a command economy, denied

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WingsOfGood
09/06/23 9:40:25 AM
#71:


SaikyoStyle posted...
Your landlord owns it.

I am the landlord. But I still have to pay taxes
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McMarbles
09/06/23 9:40:53 AM
#72:


royic posted...
The main difference in the evils of Stalin and Hitler is that Stalin committed genocide to secure power separately from any communist ideology, Hitler committed genocide because that *is* the ideology of Nazism.
Secure power to do what?

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 9:41:23 AM
#73:


The government literally owns all the water we sell to other countries

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SaikyoStyle
09/06/23 9:41:40 AM
#74:


Why were capitalists in Germany more comfortable with Nazis than they were with socialists?

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 9:42:56 AM
#75:


/topic, most likely

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WingsOfGood
09/06/23 9:44:22 AM
#76:


also if a rich Senator buys up all the land and companies

is that still Capitalism? Or does that turn into Communism? Are they a private person despite being the people over the state?

What if your landlord is literally the governor?

What if Jeff Bezos becomes the president but Amazon owns all the jobs and the apartments. We now all work for the president and live on his property.

Doesn't this mean the fate of Capitalism is to become the scary version of Communism? or rather worse Feudalism
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Rexdragon125
09/06/23 9:52:53 AM
#77:


What's interesting to me is that people in general are very against the government owning the means of production but don't seem to really mind when the means of production own the government, which is the case in the US today where lobbyists are literally writing the laws. I don't see a demonstrable difference in government owning business vs. business owning government. It just seems like the all-or-nothing laissez faire types will argue against the evils of socialism until they're blue in the face while not realizing that unfettered capitalism produces the exact same results.

Neither socialism or capitalism are great policies to go whole hog on, you need a nice little balance of capitalism with safety nets and regulation or your capitalist utopia is going to become an oligarchy just like all of the communist countries you complain about.
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Bass
09/06/23 9:53:15 AM
#78:


WingsOfGood posted...
do I own my house or does the state?

you tell me
Just because the state owns things doesn't make the state communist. Plenty of capitalist countries own certain companies or industries. Hell, nationalization used to be a viable option in the US before the mid to late 20th century.

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WingsOfGood
09/06/23 9:54:21 AM
#79:


Rexdragon125 posted...
people in general are very against the government owning the means of production but don't seem to really mind when the means of production own the government

illusion is a powerful thing

they idea that you COULD be a billionaire even though reality is you won't and never will be

so that entity that owns the government and effectively works the same way has the ILLUSION that you COULD be the CEO of it so...
so...
it must not be the same right? lol
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royic
09/06/23 9:54:46 AM
#80:


McMarbles posted...
Secure power to do what?

Doesn't matter. If you're really against kicking puppy but the means you use to accomplish your end is *genocide* the problem is not that you are against kicking puppies, the problem is genocide.

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WingsOfGood
09/06/23 9:59:21 AM
#81:


Bass posted...
Hell, nationalization used to be a viable option in the US before the mid to late 20th century.

so what happened?
the red scare?
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scar_the_1
09/06/23 10:04:48 AM
#82:


CryoForceOmelet posted...
The country with the largest incarcerated population and thus one of the largest slave labor forces is the United States of America.
Hey, slavery is projected and enshrined in the US Constitution

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Prismsblade
09/06/23 10:06:56 AM
#83:


IShall_Run_Amok posted...
My karma's pretty high, I support communism because I was told it would imprison all the capitalists and conservatives.
They've lost against both everytime up till now but you do you.

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McMarbles
09/06/23 10:07:21 AM
#84:


scar_the_1 posted...
Hey, slavery is projected and enshrined in the US Constitution
Maybe we should call it gulag, then its okay apparently.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 10:08:26 AM
#85:


lol who did this?

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Bass
09/06/23 10:09:29 AM
#86:


WingsOfGood posted...
so what happened?
the red scare?
Pretty much. Nationalization became political suicide more or less with all the anti-communism propaganda out there.

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scar_the_1
09/06/23 10:09:30 AM
#87:


McMarbles posted...
Maybe we should call it gulag, then its okay apparently.
There are people who like the Soviet Union, I'm not one of them

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McMarbles
09/06/23 10:10:07 AM
#88:


To make my point: we can criticize the broken capitalist system without caping for totalitarian, imperialist states.

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McMarbles
09/06/23 10:13:08 AM
#90:


MedeaLysistrata posted...
lol who did this?
The response against any criticism of communism as it has been practiced historically has not been okay, yeah, that was bad but it can be avoided going forward, but a knee-jerk B-but MURICA BAD.

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CryoForceOmelet
09/06/23 10:13:28 AM
#91:


McMarbles posted...
To make my point: we can criticize the broken capitalist system without caping for totalitarian, imperialist states.
Your point running in this thread seems to be "if you ask for an alternative to the capitalist system, you want to murder 50 million people."

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 10:14:19 AM
#92:


McMarbles posted...
The response against any criticism of communism as it has been practiced historically has not been okay, yeah, that was bad but it can be avoided going forward, but a knee-jerk B-but MURICA BAD.
America will be irrelevant in 20 years

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McMarbles
09/06/23 10:15:03 AM
#93:


MedeaLysistrata posted...
America will be irrelevant in 20 years
Well see.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 10:15:41 AM
#94:


McMarbles posted...
Well see.
Why are you so salty? You're a winner, I'm a loser

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scar_the_1
09/06/23 10:18:20 AM
#95:


McMarbles posted...
To make my point: we can criticize the broken capitalist system without caping for totalitarian, imperialist states.
The post you responded to (mine) only criticized one totalitarian, imperialist state: the US. I suppose that's 50 states but you get the point

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SaikyoStyle
09/06/23 10:18:27 AM
#96:


CryoForceOmelet posted...
Your point running in this thread seems to be "if you ask for an alternative to the capitalist system, you want to murder 50 million people."
Hes not what academics would refer to as a strong thinker.

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Gwynevere
09/06/23 10:25:45 AM
#97:


McMarbles posted...
Well see.
If we can't get our internal struggle with far right reactionaries and their brain draining war against higher education under control, then the long term outlook of America as a technological leader certainly doesn't look good. Hell, it's been looking worse and worse for decades now

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mario2000
09/06/23 10:25:48 AM
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If anyone wonders how Fox News is able to maintain such a stranglehold on the American public, show them this topic.

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animebop
09/06/23 10:27:15 AM
#99:


McMarbles posted...
Im sure the people murdered under Stalin and Mao would be relieved to know that its okay because capitalism is also bad.

By this logic, you are willing to tell the slaves that came across in the north atlantic slave that they they should be relieved to know it's ok because socialism bad.

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