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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 5:05:09 AM
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don't tell me to find something else, i don't want some dumbass fetish hobby that no one cares about

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Nukazie
09/06/23 5:08:21 AM
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weirdly, people decided which 'talents' are worth a damn

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 5:15:17 AM
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Nukazie posted...
weirdly, people decided which 'talents' are worth a damn
how do you mean?

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ai123
09/06/23 5:16:37 AM
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If you put in the hundreds of hours of practice, you can get good enough at anything for most people to believe you are talented.

At which point, what's the difference?

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 5:18:29 AM
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ai123 posted...
If you put in the hundreds of hours of practice, you can get good enough at anything for most people to believe you are talented.

At which point, what's the difference?
this isn't true. two people doing the same thing for hundreds of hours will have a wildly different outcome. my methods for improvement just aren't that good as a rule

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ai123
09/06/23 5:23:45 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
this isn't true. two people doing the same thing for hundreds of hours will have a wildly different outcome. my methods for improvement just aren't that good as a rule
Both people will still get to a point where they appear talented. There are still levels within talented.

If your methods aren't that good. Find new methods.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 5:24:54 AM
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ai123 posted...
If your methods aren't that good. Find new methods.
you're ignoring ability to apply method. not everyone does everything at the same skill level. not everyone is gonna get the same results. it would take longer to actually improve my improvement then to focus on learning the skill, lol

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 5:25:46 AM
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in not so many words, i want to be good without putting in effort.

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TetsuoS2
09/06/23 5:27:09 AM
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unfortunate

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 5:28:03 AM
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ok, maybe no no effort but i just wish they would come more naturally. like it does for a lot of people, actually. and yes some people start with a natural advantage.

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ai123
09/06/23 5:29:32 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
you're ignoring ability to apply method. not everyone does everything at the same skill level. not everyone is gonna get the same results. it would take longer to actually improve my improvement then to focus on learning the skill, lol
Obviously, outcomes will vary, but if you put in the work, you would appear talented to the vast majority of people.

You just don't want it enough is all. If you did, you would apply yourself.


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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 5:30:21 AM
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ai123 posted...
Obviously, outcomes will vary, but if you put in the work, you would appear talented to the vast majority of people.

You just don't want it enough is all. If you did, you would apply yourself.
Appearing talented is irrelevant if I can't make the stuff I want to make or do the stuff I want to do

As for wanting it, maybe not but I still wish for it

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OriginalPlain2
09/06/23 5:30:42 AM
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Singing is the only talent I long for

and I have thousands of doubts about myself simultaneously
tho my wife says she loves my singing
I always say Lies!
my kids dont give a crap about my singing but my daughter doesnt seem to mind

she loves music thanks to daddy

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 5:31:59 AM
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OriginalPlain2 posted...
Singing is the only talent I long for

and I have thousands of doubts about myself simultaneously
tho my wife says she loves my singing
I always say Lies!
my kids dont give a crap about my singing but my daughter doesnt seem to mind

she loves music thanks to daddy

I have a friend who improved his singing quite a bit, and he's also really good at guitar. actually that whole friend group was quite talented.

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ai123
09/06/23 5:32:29 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
Appearing talented is irrelevant if I can't make the stuff I want to make or do the stuff I want to do

As for wanting it, maybe not but I still wish for it

What is it you want to do?

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 5:35:27 AM
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ai123 posted...
What is it you want to do?
that's irrelevant

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ai123
09/06/23 5:38:13 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
that's irrelevant
Yes.

I think you are probably right about that.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 5:39:05 AM
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ai123 posted...
Yes.

I think you are probably right about that.
i don't want to be famous or anything lol, i just want to do it well

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 5:51:19 AM
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like, writing a book can't just appear to be correct

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Glob
09/06/23 5:53:42 AM
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Barring actual disabilities, you can learn to do more or less anything to a pretty good level. It just might take a degree of dedication that makes you disinterested in doing so.
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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 5:54:42 AM
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Glob posted...
Barring actual disabilities, you can learn to do more or less anything to a pretty good level. It just might take a degree of dedication that makes you disinterested in doing so.
i mean i am quite disabled but yeah

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Glob
09/06/23 5:56:23 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
i mean i am quite disabled but yeah

Do you mind disclosing in which ways you are disabled? I completely understand if you dont want to, but Id imagine not all disabilities are an insurmountable hurdle to all tasks.
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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 5:58:13 AM
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Glob posted...
Do you mind disclosing in which ways you are disabled? I completely understand if you dont want to, but Id imagine not all disabilities are an insurmountable hurdle to all tasks.
i am schizophrenic

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you're not wrong but uh, you know, i can do this as long as i want to but if i can never adroitly apply wha i know i will feel empty

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OriginalPlain2
09/06/23 5:58:27 AM
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Glob posted...
Barring actual disabilities, you can learn to do more or less anything to a pretty good level. It just might take a degree of dedication that makes you disinterested in doing so.

dude, I have OCD and I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemys pet dog

this, this tho kind of lifts me for some reason

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 6:00:19 AM
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yes, the degree of dedication is out of reach for me. thank you for putting it better than i can, twice, both of you.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 6:05:51 AM
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that can't be true lol. buying and eating a slogan does nothing.

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Poorly
09/06/23 6:08:57 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
like, writing a book can't just appear to be correct
Why not write a book while singing?

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Naysaspace
09/06/23 6:10:14 AM
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Practice > Talent. Buck up. It aint coming easy so stop wishing it would!
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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 6:11:23 AM
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Naysaspace posted...
Practice > Talent. Buck up. It aint coming easy so stop wishing it would!
Except practice/experience chuds usually just want jobs

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Glob
09/06/23 6:12:36 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
Except practice/experience chuds usually just want jobs

I dont understand what youre trying to say here.
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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 6:13:31 AM
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Glob posted...
I dont understand what youre trying to say here.
can i read your book?

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TetsuoS2
09/06/23 6:13:36 AM
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nothing, dude just wants to vent

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Tenlaar
09/06/23 6:13:58 AM
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Literally nobody that you think of as being talented at something got that way without any practice or effort.

The reason you arent good at anything is you, period. Spend less time whining and actually do something.
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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 6:14:50 AM
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Tenlaar posted...
Literally nobody that you think of as being talented at something got that way without any practice or effort.

The reason you arent good at anything is you, period. Spend less time whining and actually do something.
you have no feats. none.

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Glob
09/06/23 6:16:54 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
can i read your book?

Which one?

But yes, they are available in bookshops (not that many bookshops though) and online.
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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 6:17:31 AM
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Glob posted...
Which one?

But yes, they are available in bookshops (not that many bookshops though) and online.
The philosophy one

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Tenlaar
09/06/23 6:19:49 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
you have no feats. none.
There are quite a few things that I am knowledgeable about and good at. For example, next week I am going to be putting my knowledge of and experience with home repair to use by volunteering to work on rebuilding a home that was damaged by a tornado.

I can go into a house that is nothing inside but framed out rooms and turn it into a home. I got that way by going out in the world and actually doing it.

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Glob
09/06/23 6:22:03 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
The philosophy one

Arguably, thats any of them. But none of them would be found in the philosophy section. Had a few articles published in Phronesis though.
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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 6:22:11 AM
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Tenlaar posted...
There are quite a few things that I am knowledgeable about and good at. For example, next week I am going to be putting my knowledge of and experience with home repair to use by volunteering to work on rebuilding a home that was damaged by a tornado.

I can go into a house that is nothing inside but framed out rooms and turn it into a home. I got that way by going out in the world and actually doing it.
you on the left?

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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 6:23:00 AM
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Glob posted...
Had a few articles published in Phronesis though.
that's pretty cool

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Dark_Arbron
09/06/23 6:31:16 AM
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Glob posted...
Barring actual disabilities, you can learn to do more or less anything to a pretty good level. It just might take a degree of dedication that makes you disinterested in doing so.

Your mileage may vary. No amount of trying made me worth a damn at writing, and worse, my friends and readers conspired to lie about me good (to what purpose Im not sure).

Story of my life really. I was also lied to as a child about being intelligent and having worth as a person. Some people are just born without the ability to achieve anything. TC might be another example like me, but I dont know them well enough to say for sure.

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Tenlaar
09/06/23 6:34:21 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
you on the left?
Politically? I dont understand what that has to do with the conversation but yes, very much so.
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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 6:34:53 AM
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Tenlaar posted...
Politically? I dont understand what that has to do with the conversation but yes, very much so.
thoughts on schadenfreude?

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EPR-radar
09/06/23 6:36:17 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Your mileage may vary. No amount of trying made me worth a damn at writing, and worse, my friends and readers conspired to lie about me good (to what purpose Im not sure).

Story of my life really. I was also lied to as a child about being intelligent and having worth as a person. Some people are just born without the ability to achieve anything. TC might be another example like me, but I dont know them well enough to say for sure.
Intelligence has nothing to do with someone's worth as a person, and someone's worth as a person shouldn't depend on what other people say about that worth (or lack thereof).
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Dark_Arbron
09/06/23 6:38:33 AM
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EPR-radar posted...
Intelligence has nothing to do with someone's worth as a person, and someone's worth as a person shouldn't depend on what other people say about that worth (or lack thereof).

I dont hold others to that standard, only myself. As far as Im concerned Im not smart enough to have anything to contribute and thus a case could be made for, ahem, expunging me.

Less food wasted and the state gets my body (a set of mostly functional organs) with no downside. Win/win.

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Tenlaar
09/06/23 6:39:36 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
thoughts on schadenfreude?
Its bad. Thoughts on the fact that nobody you think of as talented got that way through pure magical luck with no time or effort applied to learning and practice?
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MedeaLysistrata
09/06/23 6:41:54 AM
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anyone can answer that, but magic is pretty real to me outside of just having passively received an education

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darkmaian23
09/06/23 6:42:32 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
and having worth as a person.
That's one step too far. You decide your worth as a person, and everybody has at least some value.

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