Poll of the Day > So games workshop is releasing a warhammer box for $140

(+) Yeah! (+)

That contains half of a box that they massively overproduced a couple years ago, and can still be easily found online for $120

Great business sense right there

which box? My GW website is only showing me books for some reason

I mostly have Betrayal at Calth boxes... like 8 of them

Lokarin posted...

which box? My GW website is only showing me books for some reason

I mostly have Betrayal at Calth boxes... like 8 of them

They announced Vanguard: Kruleboyz which is half of the Dominion starter. I know my local game store has 80+ copies still in stock and they only want $110 for it.

I don't understand how Games Workshop is still in business.

Like... 3D printers are a thing and they're not that expensive anymore. $250 will get you an entry-level resin printer and another ~$100 in accessories and resin will get you everything you need for a nice little setup that you can use to print off minis at pennies on the dollar. I've now printed off entire armies - plural - for both WFB and 40k and I don't think any of them cost more than maybe $60 in resin. That's $60 per army (~100 models of varying sizes), not per model.

That $350 setup cost for a home printer would get you, like, four infantry models and a small vehicle at modern GW prices, so I have no idea why people still continue to fork over money to them. There's free versions of all their rulesets available online (not even talking piracy here - rules/game mechanics aren't subject to copyright, so there have been multiple systems that have just stripped the Warhammer brand/lore out of the products and released online, which is all you need to play the game), so it's not even like you need them for rulebooks.

Well resin sucks ass, for one thing

darkknight109 posted...

Like... 3D printers are a thing and they're not that expensive anymore.

They scream a lot about how 3D printing is evil and have kind of brainwashed the community into supporting the idea.

It's like how it's incredibly easy to print near-perfect proxy cards for Magic, yet there's a huge push to discourage that because the entire M:tG economy is built on collectability.

Zareth posted...

Well resin sucks ass, for one thing

Honestly, I kind of prefer the resin that 3D printers used, because it's got a minimal amount of cleanup compared to injection-moulded plastic. With plastic, you have to clean up all the sprue marks and file down the mold lines for every single part, some of which can be an absolute bastard to deal with if they're in an area that has a lot of detail. Old-style resin used to have similar issues, but 3D print resin has very little cleanup involved - just wash them (which, with a 3D printer, you're already going to be doing in the curing step anyways), remove the supports, maybe do a little cleanup if they didn't come off cleanly, and you're ready to go.

The only real complaint I've heard with resin is it's more brittle/fragile than plastic, but that's kind of a null issue when you can print off a new part - or even an entirely new model - whenever you need.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

They scream a lot about how 3D printing is evil and have kind of brainwashed the community into supporting the idea.

It's like how it's incredibly easy to print near-perfect proxy cards for Magic, yet there's a huge push to discourage that because the entire M:tG economy is built on collectability.

I guess I've been out of the GW loop for a long time (I really haven't been to any of their stores or read any of their publications in close to a decade), but I've never run into much pushback on 3D printing in any of the wargaming circles I run in. Exceptions, of course, for those who sell/print straight-up knock-offs of their models (not "looks similar, but is distinct", but actual copies of existing models) - that's piracy and, yeah, is kind of a shit practice. But if you're printing off compatible models that look similar to a GW property but aren't actually infringing on their IP, most people that I've met don't care.

There's a zillion small-to-medium-size modelmaking studios on MyMiniFactory pushing out Warhammer-compliant models that are every bit as gorgeous, if not moreso, than anything GW has ever made and you can get the STL files for a few bucks. I'm just amazed, given GW's price-gouging (and, honestly, mediocre product on the rules front in the last 10-ish years), that they maintain enough of a following to turn a profit.

I've never heard GW say anything about 3D printing, they don't even want to acknowledge that it exists lol

ParanoidObsessive posted...

They scream a lot about how 3D printing is evil and have kind of brainwashed the community into supporting the idea.

It's like how it's incredibly easy to print near-perfect proxy cards for Magic, yet there's a huge push to discourage that because the entire M:tG economy is built on collectability.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh... yeah? People don't like things that cost them money? Corporations especially don't like it.