Current Events > I don't understand being afraid to ask girls out after high school/college.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

And I gotta agree. Bsp never used it like youre saying Torgo.

Your issue is with me.

Welp, If I misread someone's argument I apologize.

The core statement and my opinion on this matter remains.

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I'm more annoyed at irrelevant and bad Team A vs Team B logic. You are a fine example to my first post.

Associating whatever you don't like to hear with redpill doesn't make it morally correct, nor does it make your argument correct.

The concepts origin is not irrelevant. You just call it irrelevant because ignoring the concepts origin long predates the redpill community and frankly extends far beyond them hurts your Team A vs Team B narrative.

The redpill community adopting a cute buzzword, doesn't change ALL humans have parameters they deem to be low or high value dating partners. Parameters that vary from person to person to person.

You claim the concepts origin is irrelevant, and that is just not true as all humans have values that everyone doesn't agree on. Deal-breakers that everyone doesn't agree on. Whether those parameters are superficial or deep, religious values or no religious values, political beliefs, their profession, how they carry themselves and more.

It doesn't matter where it originates, sure, but the current iteration using the specific low value males ot whatever terminology is a highly toxic and harmful ideology.

Everyone has different things they value, but the language used is generally not as fucking horrible and dehumanizing for most people.

AnsestralRecall posted...

It doesn't matter where it originates, sure, but the current iteration using the specific low value males ot whatever terminology is a highly toxic and harmful ideology.

Everyone has different things they value, but the language used is generally not as fucking horrible and dehumanizing for most people.

Do you mean to imply this shit is new, and that they weren't doing this 50 or 100 or even 500+ years ago?

That men and woman only just started being toxic, dehumanizing and horrible to people they didn't want to be in a relationship with?
Class, race, religion country of origin, ethnicity, even titles. I'm only scratching the surface here as we can definitely dig deeper on even more superficial things people were definitely judged on before the 21st century lol.

Like I'm not sure why people are acting like this shit is new, or acting like it's only one community doing this.

RyukSan posted...

I'm more annoyed at irrelevant and bad Team A vs Team B logic. You are a fine example to my first post.

Associating whatever you don't like to hear with redpill doesn't make it morally correct, nor does it make your argument correct.

The concepts origin is not irrelevant. You just call it irrelevant because ignoring the concepts origin long predates the redpill community and frankly extends far beyond them hurts your Team A vs Team B narrative.

The redpill community adopting a cute buzzword, doesn't change ALL humans have parameters they deem to be low or high value dating partners. Parameters that vary from person to person to person.

You claim the concepts origin is irrelevant, and that is just not true as all humans have values that everyone doesn't agree on. Deal-breakers that everyone doesn't agree on.

She's right though. It's not like the red pill meaning is some niche thing. It's become widely known and most people will hear "low value male" and associate it with that toxic community. So when that new association has become that widespread, yes the original meaning becomes irrelevant.

It's like the Swastika. It was a symbol of auspiciousness and good luck. But no one cares about the original meaning now because of the massively negative association it now has.

You are right that everyone has their own preferences on what they do/don't value in a partner. And there's nothing wrong with that. But there are multiple ways to express that without talking about low value. Because if you say "low value male" or "low value female" most people are going to think of the redpill community. Not your intended usage

Anxiety's a bitch

NoxObscuras posted...

She's right though. It's not like the red pill meaning is some niche thing. It's become widely known and most people will hear "low value male" and associate it with that toxic community.

She isn't right, and "most people" is not true.

She like so many here confusing social media with, "most people." Buzz on Twitter or your favorite media outrage circle focusing on it, doesn't make it "most people."

It's also absurd to compare it to the swastika.......

asdf8562 posted...

She isn't right, and "most people" is not true.

She like so many here confusing social media with, "most people." Buzz on Twitter or your favorite media outrage circle focusing on it, doesn't make it "most people."

Most people I am friends with would get it, but we are all socially active

bsp77 posted...

Most people I am friends with would get it, but we are all socially active

That is not most people.

Your social circle is not most people. Not everyone is following the redpill community because you and your friends are. Not everyone is obsessed with Twitter, YouTube or social media news you follow. Nor is everyone familiarized with the lingo. Many don't even make social media their life.

It's not "most people" following every social media

Also contrary to your belief, you aren't the only one here socially active.

@Gladius
It's great, you aren't claiming most in real life goes around following this shit.

That said, I wouldn't say most of CE supports it either. Now on the following it front, it appears both the small number of people here that do support it, and the overwhelming number who doesn't supports it....both follow it.

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What even is this lol. I couldn't help but laugh at whatever this is.

asdf8562 posted...

Your social circle is not most people. Not everyone is following the redpill community because you and your friends are.

You know damn well we do not. I have said multiple times even in this thread that I hate redpill.

Most people have heard about "low value men" and what that means, but most don't know the origin. For better or worse (worse IMO) it has become pretty typical slang.

I did say we are pretty socially active though. Much of CE is not.

asdf8562 posted...

She isn't right, and "most people" is not true.

She like so many here confusing social media with, "most people." Buzz on Twitter or your favorite media outrage circle focusing on it, doesn't make it "most people."

Oh, but I'm not speaking anecdotally. As of 2023, 60% (4.9 billion) of the world's population uses social media. That's the majority, or most. So yes, terminology that's spread on social media can absolutely be adopted by "most people"

Source: https://www.demandsage.com/social-media-users/

It's also absurd to compare it to the swastika.......

I didn't "compare" it to the Swastika. I used the Swastika as an example of the meaning of something changing due to current events.

bsp77 posted...

You know damn well we do not. I have said multiple times even in this thread that I hate redpill.

Most people have heard about "low value men" and what that means, but most don't know the origin. For better or worse (worse IMO) it has become pretty typical slang.

I did say we are pretty socially active though. Much of CE is not.

I know full damn well of nothing about you beyond what you claim, so let's get that out of the way first. I take people's claims about themselves with a grain of salt. I'm only taking you for your word.

Second, by following, I mean almost everyone here regardless if they support the redpill, follows it enough to claim to be world star experts on it. Hence why conversation like this mindlessly has one side claiming the other just must be redpill supporters and the other side rarely having anyone actually supporting the redpill community. This topic doesn't have anyone supporting the redpill community. Just a debate going back and forth conflating things that shouldn't always be conflate.

The slang you speak of 'might' be known to most here on this board, but it is not known by most people in the world. Nor is it slang that most in the world or even anyone in this topic agrees with.

asdf8562 posted...

I know full damn well of nothing about you beyond what you claim, so let's get that out of the way first.

Second, by following, I mean almost everyone here regardless if they support the redpill, follows it enough to claim to be world star experts on it. Hence why conversation like this mindlessly has one side claiming the other just must be redpill supporters and the other side rarely having anyone actually supporting the redpill community. This topic doesn't have anyone supporting the redpill community. Just a debate going back and forth conflating things that shouldn't always be conflate.

The slang you speak of 'might' be known to most here on this board, but it is not known by most people in the world. Nor is it slang that most in the world or even anyone in this topic agrees with.

I don't disagree. I just think "low value men" means something specific to a lot of people. This is why I don't use the term, because it is an awful term that the redpill community has perpetuated to brainwash their people. And then women sometimes unironically use it too!

I honestly don't even know what I am arguing about. I hate the term because it unfortunately has a specific meaning to a lot of people.

EmilyTheCEman posted...

Isnt the fear that getting rejected will spread around to people you know and theyll laugh at you?

If your rejection stays between you and the girl, whats the harm?

I don't think in high school I was ever afraid of rejection based on that person telling their friends that I asked them out. I was afraid of rejection because it hurt to find out that the interest was one-sided and if you were in common circles it meant awkward interactions with them were inevitable.

I can understand some of the fear of cold approaching people after college. The further you get from high school, the more people's lives drift in terms of where they are in life, what they want, etc. High school and college also have more situations that aren't explicitly "let's sit down and speed date" but naturally incline themselves to getting to know new people or you have things like college parties where you can find people who are like "what the hell, I'm at a party yolo".

As an adult, you're much more commonly meeting people at work (and dating coworkers can be playing with fire really quick). There are "meet other adult" events, but typically it's not the most...desirable people who go to those. I know hypothetically people do pick ups in bars but I've never really seen it when I've been out even though I know it happens.

So you're kind of left to things like dating apps which are "better" in that everyone involved knows what the intentions are but worse in a billion other ways.

NoxObscuras posted...

Oh, but I'm not speaking anecdotally. As of 2023, 60% (4.9 billion) of the world's population uses social media

Using social media does not remotely mean they follow the shit you follow. Social media is used for a multitude of reasons that goes far beyond watching or getting informed in whatever things you particularly follow or well informed in. Not everyone that has social media even is well versed in it.

So yes it is anecdotal. So no you can't claim most people are following whatever lingo or community you follow on social media. Worse are actually informed about that community or words they may or may not have read.

NoxObscuras posted...

I didn't "compare" it to the Swastika. I used the Swastika as an example of the meaning of something changing due to current events.

It's a bad example for reasons I listed above. Aside from the fact the concept of didn't actually change. You just attribute a specific community you stayed informed about thag has begun using slang not everyone is familiar with or uses. Slang that not everyone uses, but everyone has varying values that they deem to be bad or good for a potential relationship partner.

It doesn't compare to the Swastika at all as that thing is literally involved in a world war and is involved in a lot of current hate groups. Hate groups that have a habit of making national news, for example Jacksonville is literally this past Saturday. Anyone who attends basic education in school is at least informed on that symbol existing and where it caim from. Basic education doesn't have people going to school to learn about niche communities on social media like redpill. Even basic news can have you come across that symbol.

Also the concept being discussed in the topic that's being attached to redpill, literally exists without the redpill community ever existing. So to claim its all that community its just not true.

Women eat their suitors and use the leftovers to feed their young, as decreed by nature. I enjoy not being eaten.

Why is it so hard for folks to understand that it's not a fear of rejection. But rather, folks like me don't see any point in doing so. If they find more enjoyment doing tasks and ventures by themselves, why pretend that they want to mingle just because "other people are doing it"? It doesn't make sense to me.

Cynrascal posted...

Why is it so hard for folks to understand that it's not a fear of rejection. But rather, folks like me don't see any point in doing so. If they find more enjoyment doing tasks and ventures by themselves, why pretend that they want to mingle just because "other people are doing it"? It doesn't make sense to me.

If you aren't interested in relationships or dates or hook ups, then this topic doesn't really apply.

Also congratulations, your life will be a lot simpler and less complicated.

Cynrascal posted...

Why is it so hard for folks to understand that it's not a fear of rejection. But rather, folks like me don't see any point in doing so. If they find more enjoyment doing tasks and ventures by themselves, why pretend that they want to mingle just because "other people are doing it"? It doesn't make sense to me.

You cant be afraid to ask someone out if you dont want to. So the topic isnt talking about you.

Torgo posted...

If you aren't interested in relationships or dates or hook ups, then this topic doesn't really apply.

Explain that to those in the back who say stupid nonsense about a "loser" and throw other insults like it's a mean to "motivate" those who have no interest in dating then.

I like the idea of romance but I have to be honest and admit there's no way I can handle a relationship. I can't even do friendships, I am an empty shell of a person who can offer nothing and people drain me of my energy if I have to spend too much time around them.

Bold of you to assume I would even try.