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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:02:42 PM
#101:


Fluttershy posted...
are you sure? because you're kinda the one that brought up anyone being mad. like maybe you might be hiding something about how your day is going right now.

everyone knows this kinda topic is my thing, you on the other hand got mad I linked an article

like I have made this topic before on my own :D
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Revelation34
08/19/23 1:03:33 PM
#102:


WingsOfGood posted...


the greater irony is the defenders of it most frequently cite "it is faster" which is only true WHEN a cashier is still on hand and paid

the day will come when self-checkout is super slow because corps realize people gleely and excitedly work for free and why pay anyone to do work they will do for free? lines will be long but it will be too late


Not my problem. I want to be done faster.

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:04:22 PM
#103:


voldothegr8 posted...
there will always be manned stations because there are a ton of dumbf***s and old f***s. It has never once been slower for me and I've been using them for a decade.

they gonna die off but even if they don't it won't matter

some exec will say "how to make more profit!?!" and the answer is easy, fire employees put in more automation

also I have been to walmarts with all cashier closed but 1 and the line was long

guess what was also long? the self-checkout

maybe where you are it seems fast, you will learn
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Fluttershy
08/19/23 1:04:32 PM
#104:


everyone knows this kinda topic is my thing, you on the other hand got mad I linked an article

i mean, i didn't know that, and i'm not exactly seeing it, either. your point about working for big anything got shredded left and right and you kinda just ignored it.

that's plenty of reason for you to be mad. i mean, voldo told you to calm down. you just want me to be mad so that you're even with me on something.

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random_man9119
08/19/23 1:04:43 PM
#105:


WingsOfGood posted...
the greater irony is the defenders of it most frequently cite "it is faster" which is only true WHEN a cashier is still on hand and paid

Unless you get an error, it definitely is faster without relying on some clerk to wait on you hand and foot...

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:05:38 PM
#106:


Fluttershy posted...
your point about working for big anything got shredded left and right and you kinda just ignored it.

mental gymnastics doesn't shred anything

and Bill Burr eviscerated you guys before post #2 LMAO
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Fluttershy
08/19/23 1:06:33 PM
#107:


mental gymnastics doesn't shred anything

i know that when i pointed out you were doing them it really stung and that's why you're trying it now, but it's just not the same. you're all thumbs. i'm sorry.

i want to ask you if you think you're actually convincing anyone that i'm mad and you're not.

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:07:49 PM
#108:


Fluttershy posted...
i know that when i pointed out you were doing them

you never did this

why do posters think they can lie about this and other will believe them?
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Fluttershy
08/19/23 1:08:28 PM
#109:


you never did this

i did, but hey, it's your melty, you have it however.

i should caution you, though, you might be working for big gamefaqs if it ends up with too many pageviews.

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:09:52 PM
#110:


https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/09/business/self-checkout-retail/index.html

Please place item in the bag.
Please wait for assistance.

If youve encountered these irritating alerts at the self-checkout machine, youre not alone.
According to a survey last year of 1,000 shoppers, 67% said theyd experienced a failure at the self-checkout lane. Errors at the kiosks are so common that they have even spawned dozens of memes and TikTok videos.
Were in 2022. One would expect the self-checkout experience to be flawless. Were not there at all, said Sylvain Charlebois, director of the Agri-Food Analytics Lab at Dalhousie University in Nova Scotia who has researched self-checkout.
Customers arent the only ones frustrated with the self-checkout experience. Stores have challenges with it, too.


Making customers do the work


The introduction of self-checkout machines in 1986 was part of a long history of stores transferring work from paid employees to unpaid customers, a practice that dates all the way back to Piggly Wiggly the first self-service supermarket in the early 1900s.
Instead of clerks behind a counter gathering products for customers, Piggly Wiggly allowed shoppers to roam the aisles, pick items off the shelves and pay at the register. In exchange for doing more work, the model promised lower prices.

Self-checkout, however, was designed primarily to lower stores labor expenses. The system reduced cashier costs by as much as 66%,according to a 1988 article in the Miami Herald.
The first modern self-checkout system, which was patented by Florida company CheckRobot and installed at several Kroger stores, would be almost unrecognizable to shoppers today.
Customers scanned their items and put them on a conveyor belt. An employee at the other end of the belt bagged the groceries. Customers then took them to a central cashier area to pay.
The technology was heralded as a revolution in the supermarket. Shoppers turn into their own grocery clerks as automated checkout machines shorten those long lines of carts and reduce markets personnel costs, the Los Angeles Times said in 1987 review.
But self-checkout did not revolutionize the grocery store. Many customers balked at having to do more work in exchange for benefits that werent entirely clear.
It took a decade for Walmart (WMT) to test self checkout. Only in the early 2000s did the trend pick up more widely at supermarkets, which were looking to cut costs during the 2001 recession and faced stiff competition from emergent superstores and warehouse clubs.

The rationale was economics based, and not focused on the customer, Charlebois said. From the get go, customers detested them.
A 2003 Nielsen survey found that 52% of shoppers considered self checkout lanes to be okay, while 16% said they were frustrating. Thirty-two percent of shoppers called them great.
The mixed response led some grocery chains, including Costco (COST), Albertsons and others, to pull out the self-checkout machines they had installed in the mid-2000s.
Self-checkout lines get clogged as the customers needed to wait for store staff to assist with problems with bar codes, coupons, payment problems and other issues that invariably arise with many transactions, grocery chain Big Y said in 2011 when it removed its machines.
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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:11:37 PM
#111:


some great lines from the article:

The introduction of self-checkout machines in 1986 was part of a long history of stores transferring work from paid employees to unpaid customers

Self-checkout, however, was designed primarily to lower stores labor expenses. The system reduced cashier costs by as much as 66%,according to a 1988 article in the Miami Herald.


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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
08/19/23 1:14:10 PM
#112:


I like self checkout personally.

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voldothegr8
08/19/23 1:15:51 PM
#113:


WingsOfGood posted...
they gonna die off but even if they don't it won't matter

some exec will say "how to make more profit!?!" and the answer is easy, fire employees put in more automation

also I have been to walmarts with all cashier closed but 1 and the line was long

guess what was also long? the self-checkout

maybe where you are it seems fast, you will learn
If that ever happens I'll simply switch to the sub service and go full delivery. I was thinking about doing it anyway, my coworker was telling me how awesome it is, far superior to curb pickup and their in store substitutions.

I also love how half the time the morons getting my order says something is missing, then I walk in and find a whole fucking shelf full of whatever it is. Apparently that shit doesn't happen when it's from a warehouse with the sub service.

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:17:35 PM
#115:


Here is something very interesting.

Apparently if a store DOESN'T keep a paid cashier on staff it might could actually be sued by customers for backpay

because we all know like Burr said, it is unpaid labor

https://www.the-sun.com/money/6457733/self-checkout-customers-scanning/

A CALIFORNIA woman recently sued the large grocery chain Albertsons claiming she was being treated like an employee due to bagging her own groceries.
The lawsuit, Sadlowski v. Albertsons, was filed in April 2022 alleging that the store was treating customers like employees and sued for four years of back earnings.

The shopper, Sophia Sadlowski, filed the lawsuit in San Francisco County Superior Court to make Albertsons pay self-checkout users at least the minimum wage.
However, the judge threw the case out determining that because the woman had the option to use the regular checkout where an employee could bag her items, she wasn't being treated like an employee.
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cjsdowg
08/19/23 1:18:18 PM
#116:


R_Jackal posted...
No one thinks to thank the garbage man, line workers, janitors, dock workers, so on either. Good thing they don't quit since I can confirm most of those jobs are way more bullshit than cashier work.

None of those jobs are Bull shit.

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Fluttershy
08/19/23 1:19:23 PM
#117:


might could actually

definitely maybe.

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:21:31 PM
#118:


Fluttershy posted...
might could actually

definitely maybe.

exactly

so you are always doing what someone is being paid for because of law
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Fluttershy
08/19/23 1:23:49 PM
#119:


exactly

no, i was having a giggle at you using so many weasel words.

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LinkDaLunatic
08/19/23 1:24:24 PM
#120:


stop flirting y'all

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:24:44 PM
#121:


Fluttershy posted...
exactly

no, i was having a giggle at you using so many weasel words.

if something is a maybe, the big corp lawyers are scared as poop it happen and will do whatever is necessary to prevent it
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Fluttershy
08/19/23 1:30:17 PM
#122:


10

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:32:12 PM
#123:


LinkDaLunatic posted...
stop flirting y'all


Fluttershy posted...
10

Hey Flutter, I-I
a-a-am I 10/10?

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Fluttershy
08/19/23 1:36:28 PM
#124:


no, get it? like i was holding up a sign.

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UndefeatedGOAT
08/19/23 1:37:04 PM
#125:


WingsOfGood posted...
the greater irony is the defenders of it most frequently cite "it is faster" which is only true WHEN a cashier is still on hand and paid

the day will come when self-checkout is super slow because corps realize people gleely and excitedly work for free and why pay anyone to do work they will do for free? lines will be long but it will be too late

weve had it for 15 years in canada, its can be slower it depends

if you see aunties in line and old ppl with carts produce and shit, youre in for a rough time

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HylianFox
08/19/23 1:40:07 PM
#126:


Self-checkouts do make shoplifting a lot easier, so I can agree with that part

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:41:15 PM
#127:


LMAO

" Isn't that your job? No my job is to sit at this desk and supervise you!"

AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH

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Damn_Underscore
08/19/23 1:44:13 PM
#128:


Nothing worse than self checkout?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AnDFT2l_h0

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:45:23 PM
#129:


HylianFox posted...
Self-checkouts do make shoplifting a lot easier, so I can agree with that part


went to my walmart and they had placed printer ink in a locked glass case

on the way out the ink I bought made the anti-theft thing go beep beep beep

pretty pathetic experience from what is supposed to be the convenient store, thank GOODNESS for self-checkout amirite?
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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:46:27 PM
#130:


Damn_Underscore posted...
Nothing worse than self checkout?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AnDFT2l_h0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taDRFqd1DxI
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HylianFox
08/19/23 1:46:45 PM
#131:


I really do wonder just how long before self-checkouts are removed everywhere, not because of the "putting customers to work" or "excessive errors" angle, but because shoplifting has skyrocketed in recent years.

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:49:02 PM
#132:


HylianFox posted...
I really do wonder just how long before self-checkouts are removed everywhere, not because of the "putting customers to work" or "excessive errors" angle, but because shoplifting has skyrocketed in recent years.

The wages they don't have to pay due to unpaid labor from customers and firing most staff probably offsets the losses of shoplifters.
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modena
08/19/23 1:49:28 PM
#133:


Wtf

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:51:19 PM
#134:


lmao

https://www.tiktok.com/@standupshortsdaily/video/7194857712142896426
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HylianFox
08/19/23 1:51:21 PM
#135:


Like, it's amazing to me that you can go into a Walmart and every aisle has TV monitor watching traffic, but they can't be assed to hire more staff or pay them decent wages.

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LinkDaLunatic
08/19/23 1:51:33 PM
#136:


WingsOfGood posted...
The wages they don't have to pay due to unpaid labor from customers and firing most staff probably offsets the losses of shoplifters.
and this is how things work in the corporate world. they hold meetings where they discuss these metrics and decide what to do. if we save x billion dollars annually only having to staff a handful of cashiers per location nationwide, but we lose y in shrink from theft, so long as x is greater than y, it's all gravy baby.

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:51:44 PM
#137:


HOLY MOLY this one is GOOD

https://www.tiktok.com/@adamw/video/7072843136225103147?lang=en
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Sandalorn
08/19/23 1:52:09 PM
#138:


Don't see how having more options is bad. It's not like people don't know what they are getting into at a self-checkout. I personally love them since the grocery store I go to usually only has one normal checkout lane open.

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:53:35 PM
#139:


Sandalorn posted...
only has one normal checkout lane open.

why do you suppose this is?

  1. create a problem
  2. make solution to problem you made
  3. get thanked for solving the problem
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AnsestralRecall
08/19/23 1:54:28 PM
#140:


DeadBankerDream posted...
Is he a good comedian and this was just a bad night or is it representative of his work?

He's not good
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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 1:59:23 PM
#141:


:D :D

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 2:02:21 PM
#142:


"I don't know the code for a MANGO!"

man it really is true that comedy is about making in fun of reality huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GGb9xCVMkE
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Sandalorn
08/19/23 2:08:18 PM
#143:


WingsOfGood posted...
why do you suppose this is?

1. create a problem
2. make solution to problem you made
3. get thanked for solving the problem


I live in the reality of the current situation and self-checkouts for me are easier and faster. Nothing was ever going to stop self-checkouts from happening.

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random_man9119
08/19/23 2:09:47 PM
#144:


WingsOfGood posted...
"I don't know the code for a MANGO!"

Guys a fucking idiot... Since you just click the item lookup button and pick the big picture of a mango like it's a goddammit children's book...

Also if you're taking a "15 minute shift" at the self checkout, you've fucked up...

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 2:12:50 PM
#145:


random_man9119 posted...
Guys a fucking idiot... Since you just click the item lookup button and pick the big picture of a mango like it's a goddammit children's book...

Also if you're taking a "15 minute shift" at the self checkout, you've fucked up...

oh he is an idiot?

that is why he is getting paid to make people laugh at the truths of the world while you are justifying working for free?
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random_man9119
08/19/23 2:14:56 PM
#146:


WingsOfGood posted...
oh he is an idiot?

that is why he is getting paid to make people laugh at the truths of the world while you are justifying working for free?

He's getting paid to tell people how stupid and lazy he is... Fuck off with this "truths of the world" nonsense...

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WingsOfGood
08/19/23 2:23:09 PM
#147:


random_man9119 posted...
He's getting paid to tell people how stupid and lazy he is... Fuck off with this "truths of the world" nonsense...

comedy is funny because it mocks the truths of the world

and you doing unpaid labor is true so them pointing it out becomes funny
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random_man9119
08/19/23 2:26:09 PM
#148:


WingsOfGood posted...
comedy is funny because it mocks the truths of the world

and you doing unpaid labor is true so them pointing it out becomes funny

Some comedy (like what's been posted here) is just crying, bitching, and making a big deal about something small in hopes of getting the audience to agree and laugh about how overdramatic they're being...

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AnsestralRecall
08/19/23 2:26:28 PM
#149:


WingsOfGood posted...
comedy is funny because it mocks the truths of the world

and you doing unpaid labor is true so them pointing it out becomes funny
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hockeybub89
08/19/23 3:31:28 PM
#150:


WingsOfGood posted...
Just think

Grocery workers had to go on strikes literally this year

https://www.fox9.com/news/grocery-workers-union-declares-strike-over-wages-employee-protections

and you guys gladly be like "Hey big corp! I will work for free! who needs to pay those guys more! just let me WORK FOR FREE!!!"
How fucking mad are you at self-serve machines and gas pumps?

Think of those people that could work those jobs and be abused by corporations! The real way to stick it to corporations is to have as many people working menial labor for them as possible!

Automation is objectively good. We shouldn't want anyone working for Walmart. Who told you it was a good idea to share your opinions in public?

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