Current Events > Snow White star Rachel Zegler has angered Conservatives and Disney Fans

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Right....no one has a legitimate opinion because they have followers ... Which basically would mean anyone with any sort of following doesn't have a genuine opinion because they're just trying to make money.

Also I'm more likely to question the moral compass of somebody who condemns everybody by just nature of posting on TikTok.

deoxxys posted...

Right....no one has a legitimate opinion because they have followers ... Which basically would mean anyone with any sort of following doesn't have a genuine opinion because they're just trying to make money.

Also I'm more likely to question the moral compass of somebody who condemns everybody by just nature of posting on TikTok.

seems a bit naive to not take clout-chasing into account. have you not paid attention to right wing grifters that have popped up over the years?

are you familiar with the users posted and able to confirm they arent reactionaries? do you have evidence suggesting that they aren't? like any other videos of them talking about "controversies" wrt representation in movies/tv?

Only racists have a problem with this

Zithers posted...

pretty sure all of this is just latent racism/misogyny

Ah, the old "if you don't like this you're just sexist" card.

dave_is_slick posted...

Ah, the old "if you don't like this you're just sexist" card.

no its just complaining about something you dont care about just bc you are, yeah, sexist or racist.

Zithers posted...

seems a bit naive to not take clout-chasing into account. have you not paid attention to right wing grifters that have popped up over the years?

are you familiar with the users posted and able to confirm they arent reactionaries? do you have evidence suggesting that they aren't? like any other videos of them talking about "controversies" wrt representation in movies/tv?

I tried to humor you by starting going through the accounts of everybody I posted but then I realized this was kind of dumb. No doubt there's some people who just want views but I remembered I posted a variety of people for a reason.

What's harder to believe, that public opinion of Snow White is bad or that all the whites/men are just sexist/racist and all the women and minorities are just chasing clout and their voices have no merit? That sounds ridiculous just saying it.

Not to mention I could find dozens more examples of minorities and women saying the same exact thing, I just felt like I made my point with six examples.

There's no need to defend the billion dollar corporation.

Hows her feet?

it's not a remake if it's an entirely different movie, and characters, but shares the same name
then it's just a movie with the same name

GuerrillaSoldier posted...

it's not a remake if it's an entirely different movie, and characters, but shares the same name
then it's just a movie with the same name

This. They changed too much for it to be called a remake.

Quezovercoatl posted...

She's not wrong tho

She is, though. Insisting that a woman must be powerful to be worthwhile on screen is nonsense. SW isn't supposed to be a "strong woman", but her positive traits are her kindness, caring, compassion, and innocence.

The whole point is moot anyways, because SW is set in a medieval period where, spoilers, women rarely had any sort of power.

Anyways, as someone who recently worked with Disney, they actively cultivate and promote those cringe and eye rolling zeitgeist that Zegler is spouting.

deoxxys posted...

I tried to humor you by starting going through the accounts of everybody I posted but then I realized this was kind of dumb. No doubt there's some people who just want views but I remembered I posted a variety of people for a reason.

What's harder to believe, that public opinion of Snow White is bad or that all the whites/men are just sexist/racist and all the women and minorities are just chasing clout and their voices have no merit? That sounds ridiculous just saying it.

Not to mention I could find dozens more examples of minorities and women saying the same exact thing, I just felt like I made my point with six examples.

There's no need to defend the billion dollar corporation.

Do people still seriously think their social media algorithm represents the public opinion in the year 2023? The public know fuck all about this movie because the marketing hasn't even started yet.

GuerrillaSoldier posted...

it's not a remake if it's an entirely different movie, and characters, but shares the same name
then it's just a movie with the same name

It's not like the prince is that much of a factor. Really they just would be changing how she wakes up from the poison apple right?

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

She is, though. Insisting that a woman must be powerful to be worthwhile on screen is nonsense. SW isn't supposed to be a "strong woman", but her positive traits are her kindness, caring, compassion, and innocence.

The whole point is moot anyways, because SW is set in a medieval period where, spoilers, women rarely had any sort of power.

Anyways, as someone who recently worked with Disney, they actively cultivate and promote those cringe and eye rolling zeitgeist that Zegler is spouting.

Your point is moot because a fairy tale isn't supposed to be historically accurate. It's literally a fairy tale.

You're acting like she's becoming the Huntsman or something. They're altering the character to be more self-sufficient for a modern audience. That doesn't mean a woman can't be that through kindness, caring compassion and innocence. It just means the plot won't require the prince falling in love with her and saving her.

What Disney is spouting is just girls being the heroes of their own story. That's it. Why is this offensive or bad?

Punished_Blinx posted...

Your point is moot because a fairy tale isn't supposed to be historically accurate. It's literally a fairy tale.

Not so, considering fairy tales derived as cautionary tales, often very morbid and grim, grounded in the real, current (of their time) world while introducing supernatural and mythical elements (talking wolves, giants, etc.) for their motifs and themes. What you're thinking of is the land of make believe, where *anything* is possible.

Punished_Blinx posted...

It just means the plot won't require the prince falling in love with her and saving her.

We all realize that "plot" is only in the final minutes of the film? It's a pivotal moment, yes, but an odd take away when 90% of the film is with her and the dwarves.

Punished_Blinx posted...

What Disney is spouting is just girls being the heroes of their own story. That's it. Why is this offensive or bad?

It's not, and Disney has already done that A LOT. The issue is, with all live action Disney remakes is, not staying faithful to the source material, which is why anyone wants to see a DLAR anyways. Doubly so when it's being a framed in a way that the OG is "bad" in some way.

I am 30 I do not have time to care about Disney princess movies. Make her an alien see if I care

Carljank posted...

Only racists have a problem with this

This post is so damn reductive.

Youre basically saying everyone is racist then considering that people from all walks of life are criticizing Zegler.

She began dating her boyfriend when he was 24 and she was only 18. Red flag.

It just isn't a good look to shit on the movie you're getting the privilege of staring in a multimillion-dollar remake of. Especially when it's a beloved by a lot of people. Like, she could have just said, "considering the time period of the original, some parts of it are a bit dated and the remake will have a more modern outlook" but instead she demeans and belittles it.

The stuff about the prince isn't even true!! He barely has any screen time in the movie. :v They should have picked someone else for snow white, she's not it...

deoxxys posted...

I tried to humor you by starting going through the accounts of everybody I posted but then I realized this was kind of dumb. No doubt there's some people who just want views but I remembered I posted a variety of people for a reason.

What's harder to believe, that public opinion of Snow White is bad or that all the whites/men are just sexist/racist and all the women and minorities are just chasing clout and their voices have no merit? That sounds ridiculous just saying it.

Not to mention I could find dozens more examples of minorities and women saying the same exact thing, I just felt like I made my point with six examples.

There's no need to defend the billion dollar corporation.

billion dollar corporations certainly dont need defending, which is why i resent you for making me do it. i assure you i don't want to have to defend this or lady ghostbusters or w/e.

i do feel like women and minorities probably need defending against misogynists and racists tho

also my main goal was to get you to waste time on tiktok and i succeeded. i am Wing everywhere

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Not so, considering fairy tales derived as cautionary tales, often very morbid and grim, grounded in the real, current (of their time) world while introducing supernatural and mythical elements (talking wolves, giants, etc.) for their motifs and themes. What you're thinking of is the land of make believe, where *anything* is possible.

Where was it said this still wasn't going to be the case? Which movies have they remade and changed the entire message was changed?

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

We all realize that "plot" is only in the final minutes of the film? It's a pivotal moment, yes, but an odd take away when 90% of the film is with her and the dwarves.

All the more reason it's silly to freak out about this being 'a completely different story' because the love story has been removed and/or altered no?

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

It's not, and Disney has already done that A LOT. The issue is, with all live action Disney remakes is, not staying faithful to the source material, which is why anyone wants to see a DLAR anyways. Doubly so when it's being a framed in a way that the OG is "bad" in some way.

I don't think the problem with these remakes is being unfaithful to the source material at all. This is perhaps the biggest change so far and you literally just said earlier in your post it's 10% of the movie.

Something not being modern doesn't mean it's bad either.

Man I don't even care about these live action remakes but these criticisms are nonsensical.

These live action remakes are bad because they're easy money makers that just exist to make money and to bring the brand of the movie back into relevancy to sell merch. The movies themselves have no real cultural relevance or impact on anything because the imagery of the cartoons will always remain more iconic regardless.

ZannoL posted...

This post is so damn reductive.

Youre basically saying everyone is racist then considering that people from all walks of life are criticizing Zegler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXnM1uHhsOI

Punished_Blinx posted...

Which movies have they remade and changed the entire message was changed?

Oh ho ho ho, just about every live action movie they've done.

Mulan is different so I'll start with this one. She doesn't need to go through tough training, fail and better herself to rise above, she's already amazing and better then everyone else to begin with. Which seems to throw away the message you can succeed with hard work.

Little Mermaid , didn't really give King Triton a reason to trust humans? Ariel saves herself instead of Prince Eric saving her. In the original, the Prince kills Ursula and saves Tritons own daughter, giving him a reason to begin to trust humans.

In Peter Pan and Wendy, Wendy isn't interested in motherhood, which is an integral part to her character and how she's a bit more mature than the other children and it's a coming of age story. Instead, she dreams of growing old and dying alone after flying a plane (Even though planes hadn't been invented yet?). Once again she doesn't need to be saved, instead she saves Peter.

And with the upcoming Snow White movie, an overarching message new to the live action movies seems to be "You don't need a man to save you, you can save yourself". To quote a woman who was giving the new Snow White movie flak, "I don't want to save myself, I do it all the time". A lot of other women on social media were echoing this sentiment, saying, why can't I just escape into a fantasy world where I don't have to worry about anything for once and a prince saves me and we fall in love? From what it seems not a lot of women have this power fantasy and just want romance and not have Disney tell them no.

deoxxys posted...

Oh ho ho ho, just about every live action movie they've done.

Mulan is different so I'll start with this one. She doesn't need to go through tough training, fail and better herself to rise above, she's already amazing and better then everyone else to begin with. Which seems to throw away the message you can succeed with hard work.

Little Mermaid , didn't really give King Triton a reason to trust humans? Ariel saves herself instead of Prince Eric saving her. In the original, the Prince kills Ursula and saves Tritons own daughter, giving him a reason to begin to trust humans.

In Peter Pan and Wendy, Wendy isn't interested in motherhood, which is an integral part to her character and how she's a bit more mature than the other children and it's a coming of age story. Instead, she dreams of growing old and dying alone after flying a plane (Even though planes hadn't been invented yet?). Once again she doesn't need to be saved, instead she saves Peter.

And with the upcoming Snow White movie, an overarching message new to the live action movies seems to be "You don't need a man to save you, you can save yourself". To quote a woman who was giving the new Snow White movie flak, "I don't want to save myself, I do it all the time". A lot of other women on social media were echoing this sentiment, saying, why can't I just escape into a fantasy world where I don't have to worry about anything for once and a prince saves me and we fall in love? From what it seems not a lot of women have this power fantasy and just want romance and not have Disney tell them no.

So mostly female protagonists saving themselves or being self-sufficient in the remake is bad? Personally I think a prepubescent girl being into Motherhood being used as a sign of maturity hasn't aged well these days no. Haven't seen or cared about either version of Mulan so won't comment on that one.

There are still the originals for those people. There are still movies with male protagonists for those people too.

I'm a father of two daughters. These are the kinds of movies they're gonna be watching in a couple of years in the cinemas. Personally I would rather the movies about they get into star self-sufficient and strong female characters for them to love and look up to. That's much better than all of these characters being princesses who are saved by men.

I'm guessing parents like me are a bigger target audience than conservatives who want to make a culture war over everything or millennials who can't let go of no longer being the primary target market so here we are.

Punished_Blinx posted...

So mostly female protagonists saving themselves or being self-sufficient in the remake is bad?

No, the point was that they have, indeed, been changed, and there are far more subtle differences than just those listed. And no one is asking for these, when the original framework is already there.

As we've seen, there's a sizeable amount of prospective viewers who don't want yet another transformation from the OG into a "strong woman" type in a naked attempt to cash in on the zeitgeist. To come full circle, the only people that are saying that something is bad, is Zegler about the OG. And she's way off. Hence this topic and my original point(s).

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

No, the point was that they have, indeed, been changed, and there are far more subtle differences than just those listed. And no one is asking for these, when the original framework is already there.

No one is asking for live action remakes in general and yet a few of them are remarkably profitable. Go figure.

Why would people want the exact same movie in live action anyway? Again this movie specifically is nearly a century old. It felt old when I was a kid. It's a classic but it's very slow and dry compared to kids movies of today. Of course they're going to alter it.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

As we've seen, there's a sizeable amount of prospective viewers who don't want yet another transformation from the OG into a "strong woman" type in a naked attempt to cash in on the zeitgeist.

The cool thing about social media is you can make any vocal minority look like a big deal. Only thing that matters is the box office. Which probably won't be big either since I don't think the nostalgia over Snow White is all that big these days anyway.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

To come full circle, the only people that are saying that something is bad, is Zegler about the OG. And she's way off. Hence this topic and my original point(s).

I haven't seen a single quote where she said the movie is bad. I have seen her make a joke about the love story in the original and terminally online people losing their shit over it which isn't unique to this actress or movie.

Punished_Blinx posted...

So mostly female protagonists saving themselves or being self-sufficient in the remake is bad? Personally I think a prepubescent girl being into Motherhood being used as a sign of maturity hasn't aged well these days no. Haven't seen or cared about either version of Mulan so won't comment on that one.

Altering the story is bad when it ruins the original premise of the story. Original Mulan was highly self sufficient but the live action was changed....for what reason?? No one says its bad but the remakes are trying to say women who do want to be saved by a prince and fall in love is bad. The whole point of feminism is they get to choose what they want, not every heroine has to be an action hero/powerful ruler.

Punished_Blinx posted...

No one is asking for live action remakes in general and yet a few of them are remarkably profitable. Go figure.

Why would people want the exact same movie in live action anyway? Again this movie specifically is nearly a century old. It felt old when I was a kid. It's a classic but it's very slow and dry compared to kids movies of today. Of course they're going to alter it.

Live actions were profitable when they were new. It just takes normal crowds that dont follow multimedia news a while to catch on. Classics are timeless for a reason, changing the story for a modern audience means it will one day age out when those ideas are no longer relevant. There shouldnt be any reason not to be given an accurate adaptation.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I haven't seen a single quote where she said the movie is bad. I have seen her make a joke about the love story in the original and terminally online people losing their shit over it which isn't unique to this actress or movie.

In one review she says she disliked the original movie and was scared of it as a kid. In general she seems to have disdain for it because the way she proudly pronounces its no longer 1937 and we are making this new adaptation soooo much better. While the casting for Little Mermaid was controversial, at least Halle Baliey expressed how much of an honor it was to play Ariel. Rachael Ziegler comes off as very arrogant.

deoxxys posted...

No one says its bad but the remakes are trying to say women who do want to be saved by a prince and fall in love is bad. The whole point of feminism is they get to choose what they want, not every heroine has to be an action hero/powerful ruler.

They're not saying it's bad. They're choosing to not make the movie about that.

deoxxys posted...

Live actions were profitable when they were new. It just takes normal crowds that dont follow multimedia news a while to catch on. Classics are timeless for a reason, changing the story for a modern audience means it will one day age out when those ideas are no longer relevant. There shouldnt be any reason not to be given an accurate adaptation.

Doing the exact same story would also make it no longer relevant one day. No matter what it won't be relevant one day as it's not the original cartoon. No live action remakes has long term staying power.

deoxxys posted...

In one review she says she disliked the original movie and was scared of it as a kid.

What's the exact quote?

deoxxys posted...

In general she seems to have disdain for it because the way she proudly pronounces its no longer 1937 and we are making this new adaptation soooo much better.

Where has she said this will be better?

deoxxys posted...

While the casting for Little Mermaid was controversial, at least Halle Baliey expressed how much of an honor it was to play Ariel. Rachael Ziegler comes off as very arrogant.

Who knew bending the knee for a cartoon was a thing.

You give off "im never wrong" energy. You responded too quickly to my post, I feel like you didnt really read what I said.

Its okay we dont have to agree, I dont want to really waste anymore time arguing with you.

Have a nice day.