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luigi33
08/11/23 2:32:43 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Its basically

Men have issues. The right listens and tries to give them answers but theyre manipulative and shitty. The left refuses to listen and blames mens problems on men. Men get pushed right.
There is nothing wrong about this take. Left have ben weak on men's issues and they have allowed the right to win the narrative and drag them further into the depths of conservatism.

If you honestly think the left (or at least social media left) cares about men and women's issues equally you got another thing coming. Vaush got into trouble for saying the same thing.

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I4NRulez
08/11/23 2:32:49 PM
#53:


cuttin_in_farm posted...
Men have issues. The right listens and tries to give them answers but theyre manipulative and s***ty. The left refuses to listen and blames mens problems on men. Men get pushed right.

This isn't even true, The Left is very big on men's mental health issues and how men should be more open about it.


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ai123
08/11/23 2:38:40 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Its basically

Men have issues. The right listens and tries to give them answers but theyre manipulative and shitty. The left refuses to listen and blames mens problems on men. Men get pushed right.
Oh so it's 'look what the left made me do'.

Yeah, she's grifting the right.

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Pogo_Marimo
08/11/23 2:41:03 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
She's like, just on the outside of garbage far-right YouTube content because she at least sometimes has okay takes.
Pretty much this.

She is... very much not as smart as she thinks she is, but it's not uncommon for her to be kind of "good-take adjacent".

She's a bit funny though so that makes up for it a little.

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itachi15243
08/11/23 2:45:49 PM
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She used to be funny and somewhat witty, now she's basically juat an alt right mouth piece/grifter who tries to look as "centrist" as possible.

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au_gold
08/11/23 2:46:36 PM
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Wouldnt pull out.

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superman_2000
08/11/23 3:00:18 PM
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I disagree with this 100% lol but it's all good.

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BignutzisBack
08/11/23 3:17:33 PM
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She's cool, unfortunately incels can't accept that

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ai123
08/11/23 3:27:21 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
She's cool, unfortunately incels can't accept that
Incels are the group most susceptible to grift. They will adore her.

She excuses their sprint into the arms of the alt right by telling them the left is mean and doesn't understand them.

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Murphiroth
08/11/23 3:31:07 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
She's cool, unfortunately incels can't accept that

...incels are her demographic and market tho
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Gwynevere
08/11/23 4:01:04 PM
#64:


luigi33 posted...
There is nothing wrong about this take
There's literally nothing correct about it. The dismantling of toxic masculinity that the left has been about for years now starts with the way men interact with other men, from friends to brothers to fathers and sons. Most of the ridiculous standards that wear men down over time are imposed and held up by other men.

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cuttin_in_farm
08/11/23 4:17:41 PM
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Gwynevere posted...
There's literally nothing correct about it. The dismantling of toxic masculinity

Youve already missed the mark.

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ArsGoetia
08/11/23 4:26:33 PM
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Gwynevere posted...
There's literally nothing correct about it. The dismantling of toxic masculinity that the left has been about for years now starts with the wa y men interact with other men, from friends to brothers to fathers and sons. Most of the ridiculous standards that wear men down over time are imposed and held up by other men. The entire premise helps men.

what
the entire premise is literally
would

shoe gained prominence during gamergate by being a would woman that was willing to tacitly support it regardless of evidence to the contrary or optics looking forward

then she disavowed the right bc they chastised her for not going full on kkk and embraced the left
then she disavowed the right bc they chastised her for idk...not saying the n word?
and went full fence sit butt plug tim pool wherein "imma say im a leftist but honestly sieg hiel is a pretty sweet slogan" became the most lucrative grift
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cuttin_in_farm
08/11/23 4:34:55 PM
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Men dont care about toxic masculinity. Its the honestly the least toxic dudes that have the most issues when it comes to dating.

Toxic masculinity affects mental health, but I dont think the left does a good job of making men not feel like theyre the issue. Shoe specifically mentions clowns like Andrew Tate in the video. Andrew speaks to the men that feel like they have no direction or value.

So to rebuttal by saying What? The left talks to men all the time! We tackle toxic masculinity! Does miss the mark. Because the average dude really doesnt care about that. Nor are they wanting to hear that they are the issue by proxy. No matter how accurate.

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C_Pain
08/11/23 4:36:11 PM
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Very fair play to memer grift chicks. I always tell my girlfriend to make satirical red pill content and she'll get so popular.

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invertedlegdrop
08/11/23 4:39:56 PM
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ai123 posted...
I don't want to watch.

Would someone please tell me if this is 'pick me' stuff for incels, or not?

Basically she uses stats and examples of how men are much more lonely then before, using American and Japan as examples (the hikikomori of Japan, and their population crisis, apparently its gotten so bad the country made videos of girls making eye contact to help Japanese men get over their fear of social interaction)...

She also talks about how these incel men are more encouraged to move to the right, since they will at least cater to them. She provides examples (twitter posts and videos so grain of salt) of liberals rejecting male issues and telling them to pull themselves by their bootstraps. She makes the point that liberals would reach out to any other group asking for help but men (white men especially) are not worth helping. Thus when Liberals wonder why the male vote leans right, she makes the connection that right (grifter or not) are at least pretending to understand and hear men out...

that's like a brief summary of the vid...

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ai123
08/11/23 4:40:41 PM
#72:


cuttin_in_farm posted...
Shoe specifically mentions clowns like Andrew Tate in the video. Andrew speaks to the men that feel like they have no direction or value.
Ah yes, good old 'Andrew'. First name terms with a sex trafficker and abuser.

That's the measure of you.


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cuttin_in_farm
08/11/23 4:41:47 PM
#73:


ai123 posted...
Ah yes, good old 'Andrew'. First name terms with a sex trafficker and abuser.

That's the measure of you.

Huh? What do you call him? Tate? Isnt referring to last name a sign of respect? Lol.

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thekosmicfool
08/11/23 4:42:18 PM
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I used to watch a lot of her videos but it just got too yikes.

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AmericaTheBrave
08/11/23 4:42:54 PM
#75:


A woman who should be respected.

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ai123
08/11/23 4:47:19 PM
#76:


cuttin_in_farm posted...
Huh? What do you call him? Tate? Isnt referring to last name a sign of respect? Lol.
I refer to everyone I don't know by their surnames. 'Mr Tate' would be respectful; 'Tate' is neutral.

First names is for familiarity and friendliness.

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Torgo
08/11/23 4:48:27 PM
#77:


invertedlegdrop posted...
Basically she uses stats and examples of how men are much more lonely then before, using American and Japan as examples (the hikikomori of Japan, and their population crisis, apparently its gotten so bad the country made videos of girls making eye contact to help Japanese men get over their fear of social interaction)...

She also talks about how these incel men are more encouraged to move to the right, since they will at least cater to them. She provides examples (twitter posts and videos so grain of salt) of liberals rejecting male issues and telling them to pull themselves by their bootstraps. She makes the point that liberals would reach out to any other group asking for help but men (white men especially) are not worth helping. Thus when Liberals wonder why the male vote leans right, she makes the connection that right (grifter or not) are at least pretending to understand and hear men out...

that's like a brief summary of the vid...

The problem of course, is that the left do speak of men's issues, and people like Shoeonhead and other right wingers very deliberately misrepresent what they are saying, and then in the same breath forgot to mention that the right wingers are providing the exact "toxic masculine" advice that creates problems in the first place.

It's a tactic that works well because the right wing path appeals to selfish instincts and simple messaging, and benefits from the gobs of cash being poured into right wing propaganda farms and algorithms that amplify extremist outrage content.

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GameGodOfAll
08/11/23 5:03:22 PM
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Torgo posted...
The problem of course, is that the left do speak of men's issues, and people like Shoeonhead and other right wingers very deliberately misrepresent what they are saying, and then in the same breath forgot to mention that the right wingers are providing the exact "toxic masculine" advice that creates problems in the first place.

It's a tactic that works well because the right wing path appeals to selfish instincts and simple messaging, and benefits from the gobs of cash being poured into right wing propaganda farms and algorithms that amplify extremist outrage content.


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_Odin
08/11/23 5:10:10 PM
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Torgo posted...
Right wing grifter... Most of what I know of her is critique of her turn from lib to nazi defender.
She's a socialist you brainlet.
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Tyranthraxus
08/11/23 5:10:48 PM
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_Odin posted...
She's a socialist you brainlet.
She says she's a socialist you mean

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Torgo
08/11/23 5:14:27 PM
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_Odin posted...
She's a socialist you brainlet.

Listen guy that has a rune used by white supremacists for your profile pic...

I've dealt with you before on 261 and your job seems to be downplaying this kind of stuff. She's a "Jimmy Dore" or "Tim Pool" style socialist...

She may have started doing more leftist friendly content, but has (in her case) fallen in with nazis now and does "I'm a leftist and here is why the left is always bad and criticism of the right should be ignored" content.

That's the grift, she has the aesthetic of a cute leftist content creator girl as she defends the far right.

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cuttin_in_farm
08/11/23 5:19:28 PM
#84:


Torgo posted...
The problem of course, is that the left do speak of men's issues, and people like Shoeonhead and other right wingers very deliberately misrepresent what they are saying, and then in the same breath forgot to mention that the right wingers are providing the exact "toxic masculine" advice that creates problems in the first place.

It's a tactic that works well because the right wing path appeals to selfish instincts and simple messaging, and benefits from the gobs of cash being poured into right wing propaganda farms and algorithms that amplify extremist outrage content.

Can you name a single person who is left leaning and speaks about mens issues?

I dont mean left leaning and criticizes right leanings attempt to speak about mens issues.

Who, in the public space, talks about mens issues and is left leaning.

Obviously outrage runs algorithms, but they dont have to be popular.

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_Odin
08/11/23 5:21:04 PM
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Torgo posted...
Listen guy that has a rune used by white supremacists for your profile pic...
White supremacists drink water. That means they've co-opted it. Anyone who drinks water must be allied with white supremacists.

Torgo posted...
She may have started doing more leftist friendly content, but has (in her case) fallen in with nazis now and does "I'm a leftist and here is why the left is always bad and criticism of the right should be ignored" content.

First off, define Nazi, because I want to know which Nazis she's actually been involved with. I do keenly remember her being friends with the Breadtube crowd for quite a while, though she did fall out with Vaush and friends sometime last year I believe over some drama. Much like Destiny, whom knowing you I'm sure you would also call far-right. Perhaps she's just one of the seemingly few leftists who isn't a tribal maniac, who has some nuance and is able to talk to and perhaps even be friends with people she disagrees with, so the purity spiral left her in the dirt.
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_Odin
08/11/23 5:35:02 PM
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I know nothing about this Jack guy. Assuming his Wikipedia page is actually accurate and unbiased - I have my doubts, given I've seen people call the likes of Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson Nazis - I want to know if she actually endorsed him and everything he says, or if she just talked with him on one podcast, or is friends with him and is thus guilty by association. I'd like to know which one it is.
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ai123
08/11/23 5:41:06 PM
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_Odin posted...
First off, define Nazi, because I want to know which Nazis she's actually been involved with


_Odin posted...
I want to know if she actually endorsed him and everything he says,

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Looks like moving the goalposts will be one way.

We've shifted from 'involved' to 'endorses everything he says'.


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Gwynevere
08/11/23 5:41:56 PM
#90:


cuttin_in_farm posted...
Youve already missed the mark.
No, I haven't. You claim that dudes don't care about toxic masculinity, but they sure as fuck care about the consequences of it. Incel culture isn't born strictly out of dudes not getting laid, it's born out of guys coming together and putting pussy on a 100 meter tall pedestal who are now frustrated because they're not getting it.

You think guys like their fathers and friends holding them to crazy ass standards of masculinity? Just because men are discouraged from talking about their frustrations with those standards doesn't mean they don't actually care about it. And there's a lot of discourse on the left about how men can raise their sons better to stop the cycle of bullshit.

It's pure gaslighting to say that the right cares about young men and the left doesn't. The right is literally feeding on young men with get rich and get laid quick grifts that leave them in an even worse place than they started.

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Pogo_Marimo
08/11/23 5:44:51 PM
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It's funny, searching for both their names led to a far-right forum calling her an "ally" and "misguided" and another post calling her a "lefty" lol. When your ideology is so incoherent that it confuses both the left and the right then you're probably doing something wrong.

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ai123
08/11/23 5:47:27 PM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
It's funny, searching for both their names led to a far-right forum calling her an "ally" and "misguided" and another post calling her a "lefty" lol. When your ideology is so incoherent that it confuses both the left and the right then you're probably doing something wrong.
Or; it allows you to grift the alt right with some degree of plausible deniability.

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_Odin
08/11/23 5:47:30 PM
#94:


ai123 posted...
Looks like moving the goalposts will be one way.

We've shifted from 'involved' to 'endorses everything he says'.

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He claims shoe endorsed him. I wanted to see proof.

If she's just involved with or friends with the guy, I frankly don't care. You can be friends with people you disagree with or people you think have bad politics.

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Tyranthraxus
08/11/23 5:49:22 PM
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_Odin posted...
He claims shoe endorsed him. I wanted to see proof.

If she's just involved with or friends with the guy, I frankly don't care. You can be friends with people you disagree with or people you think have bad politics.

White nationalism is not "we disagree but we're friends" material.

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ai123
08/11/23 5:49:58 PM
#96:


_Odin posted...
He claims shoe endorsed him. I wanted to see proof.

If she's just involved with or friends with the guy, I frankly don't care. You can be friends with people you disagree with or people you think have bad politics.
You wanted to know which nazi she was 'involved' with. Your word.

Now you are saying you asked for something you don't care about.

Sort yourself out.

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_Odin
08/11/23 5:50:50 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
White nationalism is not "we disagree but we're friends" material.

It's just as objectionable to me as being a communist, but as long as you don't bring either up while we're playing video games I can be friends with you.
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_Odin
08/11/23 5:51:28 PM
#98:


ai123 posted...
You wanted to know which nazi she was 'involved' with. Your word.

Now you are saying you asked for something you don't care about.

Sort yourself out.

I am responding to two different people in case you couldn't tell.
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Tyranthraxus
08/11/23 5:51:48 PM
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_Odin posted...
It's just as objectionable to me as being a communist, but as long as you don't bring either up while we're playing video games I can be friends with you.
You can be friends with someone who thinks you should be sent to the gulag for opposing the fatherland?

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BakonBitz
08/11/23 5:53:00 PM
#100:


ai123 posted...
Ah yes, good old 'Andrew'. First name terms with a sex trafficker and abuser.

That's the measure of you.
Maybe your culture is different but I feel this is looking way too much into things. I use first names sometimes when mentioning people I don't even know.

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