Current Events > I mostly like FF16 but I just spent five minutes collecting literal sand.

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And not like harvesting it from the corpse of an earth elemental or something, just literal sand.

I feel that MMO influence.

I hate sand

its COARSE

Tyranthraxus posted...

I hate sand

This was actually black sand, so I can't believe you would come into my topic and say something so racist.7

pegusus123456 posted...

This was actually black sand, so I can't believe you would come into my topic and say something so racist.7

And you know what else? Fuck al bhed. Better dead than al bhed.

The sidequests suddenly become amazing towards the end. It progresses from bullshit fetch quests to mini holy shit moments full of character development.

Though I can't remember if that one even was a sidequest. Lol.

BettyWhite posted...

The sidequests suddenly become amazing towards the end. It progresses from bullshit fetch quests to mini holy shit moments full of character development.

Oh, no, the sidequests are whatever. I don't mind them being MMO fillery.

This one was a main quest which is what kinda got me.

pegusus123456 posted...

Oh, no, the sidequests are whatever. I don't mind them being MMO fillery.

This one was a main quest which is what kinda got me.

Just hang in there man. I promise you it is worth it in the end. There's points in the game where you would think you're watching a big budget film with how crazy it gets.

You don't even want to know how many hours I've spent collecting sand in Minecraft. Red sand is the best sand.

NO2_Fiend posted...

You don't even want to know how many hours I've spent collecting sand in Minecraft. Red sand is the best sand.

That's easy though, just dig under the sandstone beneath the main dune, plop down a torch, and then dig the support block and let it fall.

In this case, I had to hold the X button down for like three seconds.

I hated the quest design in this game.

Go talk to this guy
Now go talk to that guy
Go back and talk to the first guy
Now go to this area to collect something. You'll fight something here.
Come back and talk to the first guy
Now go talk to that second guy

Sometimes it felt like I was spending an hour just doing this. It's not restricted to side quests either.

Like it annoyed me how after every main mission you have to go talk to three seperate people who are standing nowhere near each other just to be told specific things. Why isn't that just one big debriefing cutscene!

Punished_Blinx posted...

I hated the quest design in this game.

Go talk to this guy
Now go talk to that guy
Go back and talk to the first guy
Now go to this area to collect something. You'll fight something here.
Come back and talk to the first guy
Now go talk to that second guy

Sometimes it felt like I was spending an hour just doing this. It's not restricted to side quests either.

Like it annoyed me how after every main mission you have to go talk to three seperate people who are standing nowhere near each other just to be told specific things. Why isn't that just one big debriefing cutscene!

I feel this is a problem with every RPG I've ever played

indica posted...

I feel this is a problem with every RPG I've ever played

There's usually at least some sort of optional dungeon or some unique hook like a murder mystery or puzzle or something. There's literally nothing else outside of going to a specific area to collect something and/or fight a monster/group of enemies.

Those encounters are pretty quick too. Pretty sure I spent more time running to things than actually doing anything in a lot of that content.

indica posted...

I feel this is a problem with every RPG I've ever played

It's particularly bad in this one. Lemme sum up what I'm doing right now.

I just came off a big fun story mission with a wonderfully showy boss fight. The immediate next mission was going to talk to a guy. He tells you to go around your HQ and tell three other people about the big boss fight. Then you go back to the first guy who says there's one more person you should tell.

You go tell that person, she's doing a thing that needs parts. She sends you to the blacksmith who says he needs sand. So you go get sand. You take it back to the blacksmith. He tells you to tell the girl you got it. Girl sends you to talk to someone else about the next part. That someone sends you to a different area of the map to fight a monster that's guarding the material they need. Then you come back to the main girl. She doesn't know what material to use for the last part, so you have to go talk to the loremaster. I am still not done with this quest.

And like I said, this is a main story mission. Your HQ is also kind of annoying to navigate, is pretty big, and you don't sprint inside of it.

Fuck.. I just beat it and god damn.

God damn.

indica posted...

I feel this is a problem with every RPG I've ever played

The problem in FF XVI is that you are talking for 15 minutes in total, running for another 15 minutes in total, only to find the quest item in an area you are already familiar with, and you have to fight 3 minutes against some enemy you are already familiar with.

That's the problem.

If the quest would sent you in some cave or whatever it would be fine, but "that forrest clearing you just passed an hour ago during the main story" is just... ughg.

It's still a great game.

Stop being Anakin

omg the next step in this quest is literally grocery shopping

The developers said that the game ended up exactly what they wanted it to be like.

But I seriously can't imagine why they'd want a 'help me build a ship' quest to just be talking to numerous NPC's and not much else. As a main quest too.

It's one of the worst cases of padding I've ever seen. You don't have to think about anything or really engage with anything. It's not like there's anything interesting about the traversal to even make it fun.

Punished_Blinx posted...

But I seriously can't imagine why they'd want a 'help me build a ship' quest to just be talking to numerous NPC's and not much else. As a main quest too.

I expected there to at least be some NPC cutscenes with the minor characters to be kind of deep but theyyyyy were not.

I'm only like 30% through and I suspect this game is trying to subtly tell me that slavery is bad.

Jiek_Fafn posted...

I'm only like 30% through and I suspect this game is trying to subtly tell me that slavery is bad.

While also saying that Rosaria and its leaders were good because the slaves weren't treated as bad there.

Such a weird game sometimes lol

Punished_Blinx posted...

While also saying that Rosaria and its leaders were good because the slaves weren't treated as bad there.

Well, they didn't hunt them for sport, so they're definitely a little better.

Okay, the game really needs to stop doing the thing where your next major and interesting quest is locked behind a literal gate where you have to do some kind of quest in the town to get through it because this at least the fourth time they've done this.

Punished_Blinx posted...

There's usually at least some sort of optional dungeon or some unique hook like a murder mystery or puzzle or something. There's literally nothing else outside of going to a specific area to collect something and/or fight a monster/group of enemies.

Those encounters are pretty quick too. Pretty sure I spent more time running to things than actually doing anything in a lot of that content.

Eh, I feel that stuff was pretty prominent in older RPGs, not so much these days.

Still yeah, aside from the lore and fleshing out characters, the actual quest content felt pretty lacking in XVI.

And making menial tasks Main Quests was also very draining too. Not sure why developers keep thinking side-quest material has to be labelled as a main story thing, this is hardly the first time I've seen that happen, lol.

BakonBitz posted...

And making menial tasks Main Quests was also very draining too. Not sure why developers keep thinking side-quest material has to be labelled as a main story thing, this is hardly the first time I've seen that happen, lol.

The Main Quest where you're getting the stuff for Mid was grueling. It gave me some FF14 MSQ flashbacks.

Hayame_Zero posted...

The Main Quest where you're getting the stuff for Mid was grueling. It gave me some FF14 MSQ flashbacks.

Yeah. I don't care if they lampshade it or whatever by having the main character also express disappointment, it's still not great, lol.

Hayame_Zero posted...

The Main Quest where you're getting the stuff for Mid was grueling. It gave me some FF14 MSQ flashbacks.

Bro, I legit took a break from the game after this shit. The pace breaking was bad enough. Cant believe that was a main questline.

Xenoblade Chronicles X is the only jrpg Ive played where the sidequests were interesting and engaging.