Current Events > So much for DC getting better just as MCU turns more and more sour

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At first it seemed like maybe DC would get better after Gunn's suicide squad and peacemaker, and not a moment too soon with mcu just getting more and more mid to awful.

But that's been dashed, their recent movies are garbage and they still don't seem to have any idea where to steer the ship or even how to steer the ship.

They really thought the flash movie was something we wanted. They really thought a half-hearted attempt at bringing back Michael Keaton was gonna put butts in seats. Wow.

And its more crushing because mcu is getting kinda DCish as well, so now its like damn

Dont forget the totally made for HBO Max (or whatever it calls itself now) Blue Beetle movie is coming to theaters this month.

Gunn had nothing to do any of those films and hasn't even started production on any DCEU movie to my knowledge yet.

I am not convinced that Gunn will be able to turn DC around. Warner Bros. executives just love meddling too much.

Prismsblade posted...

Gunn had nothing to do any of those films and hasn't even started production on any DCEU movie to my knowledge yet.

That's a big part of the issue though, isn't it? DC is putting out movies right now that they're essentially telling everyone don't matter because they've announced they're rebooting the whole thing with gunns new superman movie that comes out in 2025.

codey posted...

That's a big part of the issue though, isn't it? DC is putting out movies right now that they're essentially telling everyone don't matter because they've announced they're rebooting the whole thing with gunns new superman movie that comes out in 2025.

They didn't/don't really have a choice on the matter. These movies have been in development hell for years, and hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent on them.

So the big brain move of just not releasing them isn't really a option.

Even then TCs wording implies Gunn has been involved in and failing the universe this entire time now. Which isn't true.

Prismsblade posted...

They didn't/don't really have a choice on the matter. These movies have been in development hell for years, and hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent on them.

So the big brain move of just not releasing them isn't really a option.

Even then TCs wording implies Gunn has been involved in and failing the universe this entire time now. Which isn't true.

Where did I suggest not releasing the movies? All I'm saying is that DC's biggest hurdle is that literally everyone knows the movies are pointless because they're wiping them out in a few years. That, and releasing mostly bad movies.

And I didn't take OP as saying Gunn has been involved the entire time, he very clearly mentions that he came onboard with Suicide Squad and Peacemaker.

Cuticrusader09 posted...

Dont forget the totally made for HBO Max (or whatever it calls itself now) Blue Beetle movie is coming to theaters this month.

Damn. I think what actually sucks is getting near perfect casting for jaime Reyes blue beetle but literally nothing else to support it, neither script nor direction nor effects nor anything else. It would be like getting perfect casting for Spiderman in civil war but then not knowing what to do with him from there.

still bitter at the batgirl movie getting canceled

codey posted...

That's a big part of the issue though, isn't it? DC is putting out movies right now that they're essentially telling everyone don't matter because they've announced they're rebooting the whole thing with gunns new superman movie that comes out in 2025.

Yeah for me the final straw in losing faith was rumors that they're insisting on bringing that crummy actress gal gadot back from those garbage wonder woman movies. Its clear they just can't commit to clean slate and the foul stench of Snyder and all things related

DCU was doomed from the start. They wanted a piece of the pie, but the MCU had already eaten the pie, done the dishes and closed the venue.

Noumas posted...

Yeah for me the final straw in losing faith was rumors that they're insisting on bringing that crummy actress gal gadot back from those garbage wonder woman movies. Its clear they just can't commit to clean slate and the foul stench of Snyder and all things related

Part of the reason I'm so uninterested in these movies is that I have zero clue how they're connected, which actors are playing which version of a charactee, and what's even canon.

Normally, this wouldn't be a problem. I have no problem watching standalone movies. But if you tell me a movie is part of a series and I can't figure out where it even fits in the series that's a huge issue.

008Zulu posted...

I am not convinced that Gunn will be able to turn DC around. Warner Bros. executives just love meddling too much.

Zaslav has separated DC from WB and Gunn is top dog. The only executive who can meddle at this point is Zaslav and he doesn't seem like he's going to do that.

Prismsblade posted...

They didn't/don't really have a choice on the matter. These movies have been in development hell for years, and hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent on them.

So the big brain move of just not releasing them isn't really a option.

And yet they didn't write them off like with the Batgirl movie people were actually mildly interested in seeing (as a possible the producers-esque scheme) by comparison?

There is a direct connection between Gunn's creative control and quality.

I have no faith in DC, but I've got enough faith in Gunn for the both of them.

Now would've been the best time to capitalize on the MCU lagging success, but Gunn's influence probably won't sink in for a few years; by that time there's a good chance the MCU will start picking up steam again with X-Men, FF, New Avengers movies w/ big crossovers, etc.

I have absolute faith that Gunn can bring quality to the DCU.

I DO NOT have absolute faith that Gunn can bring success to it.

Too up in the air for now.

AceMos posted...

still bitter at the batgirl movie getting canceled

I can guarantee that if the Batgirl movie had been greenlit, everyone would think it was garbage too. DC is the proverbial bitch eating crackers at this point, people declare their movies garbage the second they get announced.

codey posted...

Part of the reason I'm so uninterested in these movies is that I have zero clue how they're connected, which actors are playing which version of a charactee, and what's even canon.

Normally, this wouldn't be a problem. I have no problem watching standalone movies. But if you tell me a movie is part of a series and I can't figure out where it even fits in the series that's a huge issue.

Also if the standalone movies were even remotely good instead of you know, obviously garbage. Standalone is fine, not everything has to be interconnected. But its not like their movies are any good either, be it standalone or otherwise.

What we really need are Marvel's heroes and DC's villains.

Since that is what each side seems to actually be better at most of the time.

The MCU is not going as badly as people are letting on. Wakanda Forever and GotG are proof of this.

Evol posted...

The MCU is not going as badly as people are letting on. Wakanda Forever and GotG are proof of this.

Secret Invasion, Quantamania, Eternals, and a plethora of others are proof that the MCU is struggling.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Secret Invasion, Quantamania, Eternals, and a plethora of others are proof that the MCU is struggling.

Not really. Every studio has it great and poor showings. What people are realizing is that this is the MCU normalizing after it's Phase 3 streak. Phases 1 and 2 were just as up and down as 4 and 5 have been. There's still far more successes than virtually any other studio.

008Zulu posted...

I am not convinced that Gunn will be able to turn DC around. Warner Bros. executives just love meddling too much.

The thing is... he's literally the CEO of DC Studios, along with Safran.

Gunn is the executive who meddles.

lolife67 posted...

Not really. Every studio has it great and poor showings. What people are realizing is that this is the MCU normalizing after it's Phase 3 streak. Phases 1 and 2 were just as up and down as 4 and 5 have been. There's still far more successes than virtually any other studio.

Man if you're denying MCU has been displaying a clear issue you're delusional. It's not just a couple bad ones. MCU was solid for three phases and now had an entire phase of very flawed works, with few exceptions.

I blame Disney+

Trying to mix TV and movies doesn't work.

McMarbles posted...

I can guarantee that if the Batgirl movie had been greenlit, everyone would think it was garbage too. DC is the proverbial bitch eating crackers at this point, people declare their movies garbage the second they get announced.

it was greenlit the film was finished it was almost out of post production even

zaav just had it destroyed out of hate for the fact it stared a WoC

RuneterranSnap posted...

Man if you're denying MCU has been displaying a clear issue you're delusional. It's not just a couple bad ones. MCU was solid for three phases and now had an entire phase of very flawed works, with few exceptions.

What I'm saying is the issues are exaggerated, as is the idea that they were completely "solid" for 3 phases. Like we can look at all objective measurements and see that it's not the picture as you painted it.

RuneterranSnap posted...

MCU was solid for three phases and now had an entire phase of very flawed works, with few exceptions.

Yeah, it's definitely in a rough spot these days. Ever since we finished the Thanos arc and we lost the two main faces of the MCU in Iron Man and Captain America, things have been lukewarm at best. A couple of good movies can't really shake off the rust that's starting to gather in the joints of the formula.

holly fuck 3 same time posts

lolife67 posted...

the issues are exaggerated, as is the idea that they were completely "solid" for 3 phases

Thing is, the mediocre movies during the first three phases were the exception rather than the rule. Now, it's the other way around, and the good movies are the exception.

There's also basically zero hype currently for Kang, especially compared to Thanos.

AceMos posted...

holly fuck 3 same time posts

Holy shit, wow lol

lolife67 posted...

What I'm saying is the issues are exaggerated,

They aren't. At all. Secret Invasion and Quantumania alone would be bad enough to sink just about any other franchise.

RuneterranSnap posted...

They aren't. At all. Secret Invasion and Quantumania alone would be bad enough to sink just about any other franchise.

But we're not talking about any other franchise. One flop had never sunk an entire franchise, anyways. If that were the case then Guardians 3 wouldn't have been a success.

lolife67 posted...

One flop had never sunk an entire franchise

Lol remember The Mummy and the Dark Universe?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Thing is, the mediocre movies during the first three phases were the exception rather than the rule. Now, it's the other way around, and the good movies are the exception.

There's also basically zero hype currently for Kang, especially compared to Thanos.not true based on box office

The bolded part isn't really true, based on critical scores and revenue. Comparing Phases 1 & 2 to 4 & 5 shows they're comparable. Whether you personally like them equally is a subjective thing.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Lol remember The Mummy and the Dark Universe?

Neither of which were actually established franchises yet. So that's not what we're talking about.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Thing is, the mediocre movies during the first three phases were the exception rather than the rule. Now, it's the other way around, and the good movies are the exception.

Have you even seen phase 1? Iron man and Avengers are literally the only movies people can agree aren't complete shit.

People who think the movies are suddenly sinking have some weird expectations that I can't grasp. No one seems to be able to quantify why they're bad now. People just say they're garbage and move on. I'd make a solid argument for phase 4 being the consistently best phase so far and phase 5 is off to a fantastic start already.

I'm starting to think the "reboot" already happened.

Flash spoilers ahead.

DCEU now has a rewritten timeline where Bruce Wayne is George Clooney. That could mean Superman's entire backstory can be different now. Which might be the new Superman movie.set in the past, especially since it has Hawkgirl and Guy Gardner, both new characters in the DCEU.

Jason Momoa is basically best buds with WB now. Always doing cameos and in tons of promotions from HBO Max to Shark Week. He seems like he's down to do more Aquaman. Gal Gadot is definitely down. Henry Cavill was also down till he was removed. Margot Robbie recently said she's down for more Harley once Joker 2 releases with Lady Gaga. Viola Davis is down for more stuff and Peacemaker was a hit.

It's very convoluted imo instead of just starting fresh, but I'm thinking that's the direction they're going in.

People who are complaining about the current output are being revisionist and mainly comparing this to Phase 3. That's when the MCU exploded in popularity and became ubiquitous. Folks are now retroactively pretending that it was always that way.

lolife67 posted...

The bolded part isn't really true, based on critical scores and revenue

It's pretty true in terms of audience reception, though. Even Doctor Strange 2 was given a pretty tepid overall response from audiences, even though it's one of the best post-Endgame movies.

The momentum of the MCU is definitely starting to stall. At this point there have been several "laughably bad" projects in this one phase alone. Love and Thunder was a big joke, Quantumania got absolutely blasted, pretty much every D+ show after Loki has been getting pretty low viewership and underwhelming audience response...

Nobody's excited for The Marvels. Guardians 3 marked the end of the franchise as we know it, so that's another audience link broken.

The MCU is still making money, but it's in the other end of the bell curve now. It's going to decline significantly.

At least until FF4 and X-Men come along to inject some vital enthusiasm back into the brand. Disney better not screw them up.

lolife67 posted...

People who are complaining about the current output are being revisionist and mainly comparing this to Phase 3. That's when the MCU exploded in popularity and became ubiquitous. Folks are now retroactively pretending that it was always that way.

Not really. There were 5 crossover movies in the span of 7 years and that really had people following. Plus, we kept seeing all the characters constantly because there were only so many.

Between Endgame and Kang Dynasty, we're getting a single crossover Avengers in 7 years. If takes so long between characters appearing again that there's no cohesion. The next movie for Strange is Kang Dynasty for example. No buildup in between to interact with other characters.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Even Doctor Strange 2 was given a pretty tepid overall response from audiences, even though it's one of the best post-Endgame movies.

Compared to what, though? It made $950+ million. A Dr Strange movie. So what are you comparing it to?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

The momentum of the MCU is definitely starting to stall. At this point there have been several "laughably bad" projects in this one phase alone. Love and Thunder was a big joke, Quantumania got absolutely blasted, pretty much every D+ show after Loki has been getting pretty low viewership and underwhelming audience response...

Again, this sounds more subjective. According to actual ratings and box office, the MCU is still consistently in the Top 5.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Nobody's excited for The Marvels.

According to who?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

The MCU is still making money, but it's in the other end of the bell curve now. It's going to decline significantly.

Sounds more like projection of your personal feelings rather than an actual objective analysis.

lolife67 posted...

Compared to what, though? It made $950+ million. A Dr Strange movie. So what are you comparing it to?

We're not talking about money, we're talking about reception and enthusiasm. It made plenty of money, but as more movies come out without a huge wave of excitement, subsequent projects will draw fewer and fewer sales.

lolife67 posted...

According to who?

Who out there is actually excited for The Marvels? Like... where is the hype? Have you seen any? I haven't.

AceMos posted...

still bitter at the batgirl movie getting canceled

But flash and aquaman 2, surely that's what the fans want. And more wooden acting from gal.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Who out there is actually excited for The Marvels? Like... where is the hype? Have you seen any? I haven't.

im hyped for it and ive seen alot of hype for it

maybe try exiting your echo chamber

Gobstoppers12 posted...

We're not talking about money, we're talking about reception and enthusiasm.

Actually, I've been talking about both because those are the only objective measurements we have. But let's play your way. What reception are you comparing this film to? The first Dr. Strange? Because it had better reviews than that one.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It made plenty of money, but as more movies come out without a huge wave of excitement, subsequent projects will draw fewer and fewer sales.

That remains to be seen. In the previous phases, each film didn't make more money than the one immediately preceding it.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Who out there is actually excited for The Marvels? Like... where is the hype? Have you seen any? I haven't.

You should look on posts about it on FB or IG then. Also, the general audience, which is what makes these things the most money, don't frequent message boards.

AceMos posted...

im hyped for it and ive seen alot of hype for it

Eh... I'll just take your word for it. If it's a big hit, feel free to call me out and I'll admit I'm wrong.

Noumas posted...

And more wooden acting from gal.

Most fans seem to have liked Gal in the role.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Secret Invasion, Quantamania, Eternals, and a plethora of others are proof that the MCU is struggling.

A number of movies pre-Endgame were mid as well, let's be entirely honest.