Current Events > Pittsburgh synagogue shooter sentenced to death

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Yup. They sentenced him to the max, 21 years, at which point he will be reevaluated and resentenced. Much better option than life in prison, and WAY better than the death penalty.

Disagree. All of the worst people deserve to be thrown into a cell and left to rot. Or killed outright by firing squad, if the evidence is 100% ironclad with no shred of doubt.

Wrong. Killing him won't make anything better.

Sure it will, it'll make the victim's families feel better.

Even if this were true, killing someone to make someone else feel better is disgusting.

Will leaving him alive make anything better?

Yes, we've covered this in great detail, not executing people makes society better and avoids the potential of innocent death.

Nope.

But the problem with that last sentence is, especially when speaking in legal terms, it's a fantasy. If you set up a law that will only allow you to execute people with 100% certainty of no innocents, the law you've set up is one effectively abolishing the death penalty.

You cannot allow the death penalty without allowing the risk of innocent victims. It is not possible. There will always be people looking to abuse it.

You think this guy didn't do it?
You think it wasn't Dylan Roof in that black church?
You think there's a chance Norway has the wrong guy locked up?

What would be cool if they make a circuit out of him and Dylann Roof. And like the shocks keep going back and forth.

Maybe in the case where the criminal is caught in the act and theres eye witnesses and video evidence, maybe that is enough to reach beyond reasonable doubt to 100% certainty in which case maybe the death penalty could be applied then

I'm indifferent to whether this shitfuck gets execution or life imprisonment but I am grateful for the fact that unlike Norway we don't have to give this guy a hearing after 21 years or every 5 years after that. It really is a tragedy that Breivik will be in the news for the remainder of his life. Say what you want about America and how our justice system needs reworking but I think life without parole is a good idea for mass murderers. Once the last appeal is exhausted they go to prison and fuck off for the remainder of their miserable lives.

Agreed, there needs to be a multiple check system for it. Just giving someone the death penalty because a so called "expert" faked some DNA evidence is not a good system. But when you have video evidence, physical evidence, and multiple witnesses then I think it can possibly be done with 100% certainty.

Wrong. Killing him won't make anything better.

Itll make him not alive. Thats better.

I mean, we have cases in the US where people long since proven innocent are still sitting on death row.

I oppose the death penalty in all cases.

On that note, fuck this murderer.

Norway is better because they base their system on the people worth basing it on. Breivik isn't worth the effort of changing the rules for him.

What would their system suffer by having life imprisonment for mass murderers? The vast majority of criminals would still be released like now, Andy would still be treated relatively well and his victims wouldn't have to suffer the effects of him being in the spotlight.

The only loser here would be Breivik not getting to broadcast his white supremacist bullshit.

What would their system suffer by having life imprisonment for mass murderers? The vast majority of criminals would still be released like now, Andy would still be treated relatively well and his victims wouldn't have to suffer the effects of him being in the spotlight.

The only loser here would be Breivik not getting to broadcast his white supremacist bullshit.

Because there's no reason to make laws just to accommodate one guy. The framework he exists in is adequate to keep him locked up.

And who knows, sometimes people can change. e.g. the guy who assassinated Malcolm X.

You think this guy didn't do it?
You think it wasn't Dylan Roof in that black church?
You think there's a chance Norway has the wrong guy locked up?

They just released one of the Manson killers. They also released John Hinckley.

I doubt a mass shooter could ever be rehabilitated though. But it's still important to try.

What would their system gain by putting in additional effort to create an exception for one POS?

Because it would lose safety and integrity. When you make a law for one man you ALWAYS put others at risks by creating a loophole people can fall through the cracks in.

Because there's no reason to make laws just to accommodate one guy. The framework he exists in is adequate to keep him locked up.

And who knows, sometimes people can change. e.g. the guy who assassinated Malcolm X.

I'm opposed to the death penalty. But I won't sleep over this loser getting though.

I don't think Anders specifically will ever change but there have been school shooters that have expressed deep regrets and probably could have been made into productive people if they lived in a place like Norway.

Breivik exposed a flaw in Norway's system and for whatever reason Norway refused to correct it.

Mass murders shouldn't be considered for release from prison. It's too late for Andy and the bow killer but the next Norwegean mass murderers should spend the rest of their life imprisoned with no de jure chance of release and no ability to constantly be in the public spotlight.

That's fair. Makes me think of a case in UK, I can't remember the specific names, but basically these two kids kidnapped a kid and brutally abused him before killing him, easily the worst crime I've ever seen kids commit. They were eventually released, last I check one was more or less seeming to be rehabilitated while the other had constant issues. So it's definitely possible.

But that's why I say it's important to always try. I, and others, can always be wrong, and if you don't try and help everyone that comes through those doors, you WILL fail people who could've been helped.

Because it's not a flaw. They proved they're better than him. They proved their system works.

Why?

It is a flaw if he can constantly take up the public spotlight and make his victims suffer all the more.

Why even expend time a resources trying to "rehabilitate" a mass murderer? No he forfeited his right to be a part of society forever.

Why does Norway need to change what already works for them is the question being asked, I believe.

It is a flaw if he can constantly take up the public spotlight and make his victims suffer all the more.

As for why mass murders should never be released the risk of reoffense is too high.

As for why mass murders should never be released the risk of reoffense is too high. Even if they appear to turn over a new leaf and have a come to Jesus moment they could be faking it and it's not worth the risk. I think it is extremely hypocritical to oppose the death penalty because of the risk of executing an innocent and be in favor of releasing mass murders if they have seemingly been rehabilitated which can result in more innocent lives being lost.

Why does Norway need to change what already works for them is the question being asked, I believe.

ForsakenHermit posted...

How often is he actually in the news?