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emblem-man
08/02/23 1:22:08 PM
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Chillscream123 posted...
I abhor the death penalty, but the argument that it is too expensive compared to life imprisonment confuses me. How much does a bullet cost? How much does it cost to house and feed a prisoner for multiple decades?

The cost is in the law stuff involved in it. Costs for appeals, etc. Which is good. If you're going to put someone on death row, they absolutely should be able to appeal that decision.

Additionally, the actual substances we use for death penalty is expensive and not really mass produced if I recall correctly

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Bass
08/02/23 1:23:12 PM
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It doesn't matter at the moment. The last two governors have put a moratorium on carrying out death sentences. I suppose a future Republican could come in and start executing people again, though.

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RuneterranSnap
08/02/23 1:23:32 PM
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Chillscream123 posted...
I abhor the death penalty, but the argument that it is too expensive compared to life imprisonment confuses me. How much does a bullet cost? How much does it cost to house and feed a prisoner for multiple decades?
The expense comes from the greatly expanded appeals process which is absolutely mandatory for death penalty trials.

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DrizztLink
08/02/23 1:24:33 PM
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emblem-man posted...
Additionally, the actual substances we use for death penalty is expensive and not really mass produced if I recall correctly
It's usually just potassium chloride, a paralytic, and some minor painkiller I think.

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FlyEaglesFly24
08/02/23 1:24:40 PM
#55:


Baha05 posted...
Which is probably why a death penalty if utilized should be only for those who are 100% guilty of such a severe crime with no doubts or reserved for cases like this.

The way I see if is people probably wouldnt be upset if the cops killed him during the shooting. So for this sort of case the morality of getting the death penalty is a weird one.

I mean thats the thing, isnt it. In the Uvalde situation, the nutjob barricaded himself in a closet and came out blasting when the idiot cops finally went into the classroom. I guess in that situation, the act of self preservation takes a moral precedence over the use of deadly force. I mean we could even go the fictional route and look at the ending of Man of Steel for justification of the death penalty. And you have to wonder whether UBL could have been taken without the use of force and put on trial.

But as far as I can tell, this guy is no different than the pasty white wacko in that church
in Charleston SC, where the cops the shooter was taken alive. And once you can take the guy alive, then we have to wonder about the morality of the death penalty.

So I would say there is a difference between taking action to preserve life in the field and condemning someone to die after the fact.

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Chillscream123
08/02/23 1:25:17 PM
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Indeed. Well said, Rune and Emblem-Man.
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TonyKojima
08/02/23 1:25:43 PM
#57:


RuneterranSnap posted...
Or just life. No need to add torture to the mix.
Its not torture, its punishment.

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Turtlebread
08/02/23 1:27:21 PM
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I dont think the government should be killing people, but I would happily kill this person.

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RuneterranSnap
08/02/23 1:27:46 PM
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TonyKojima posted...
Its not torture, its punishment.
It's objectively torture.

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FL81
08/02/23 1:28:43 PM
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I fully oppose the death penalty, but won't be shedding any tears for this one

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DrizztLink
08/02/23 1:29:36 PM
#62:


RuneterranSnap posted...
It's objectively torture.

DrizztLink posted...
It's usually just potassium chloride, a paralytic, and some minor painkiller I think.
They add this bit because watching the condemned writhe in agony is a little disturbing for the witnesses.

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Tyranthraxus
08/02/23 1:29:42 PM
#63:


TonyKojima posted...
Its not torture, its punishment.
Solitary is torture.

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FlyEaglesFly24
08/02/23 1:31:41 PM
#64:


TonyKojima posted...
Its not torture, its punishment.

Your definition of torture is factually incorrect if you believe this.

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TonyKojima
08/02/23 1:31:53 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Solitary is torture.
I disagree.

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DrizztLink
08/02/23 1:32:12 PM
#66:


TonyKojima posted...
I disagree.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Your definition of torture is factually incorrect if you believe this.


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Tyranthraxus
08/02/23 1:32:14 PM
#67:


TonyKojima posted...
I disagree.

We're all wrong sometimes.

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Sheiky-Baby
08/02/23 1:33:36 PM
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I hope in the future, executions will be carried out the next day, or two. Not years.

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RuneterranSnap
08/02/23 1:33:47 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
We're all wrong sometimes.
A lot in his case

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RuneterranSnap
08/02/23 1:34:23 PM
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Sheiky-Baby posted...
I hope in the future, executions will be carried out the next day, or two. Not years.
Thankfully you will never get your way.

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SimulationSwarm
08/02/23 1:34:38 PM
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TonyKojima posted...
I support it in cases like this when guilt is 100% and the crime is mass murder.
I personally think its bullshit to pick and choose here

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FlyEaglesFly24
08/02/23 1:35:54 PM
#72:


Sheiky-Baby posted...
I hope in the future, executions will be carried out the next day, or two. Not years.

You know, I got warned two days ago for responding to garbage like this.

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RuneterranSnap
08/02/23 1:39:03 PM
#73:


SimulationSwarm posted...
I personally think its bullshit to pick and choose here
It absolutely is because no matter how you do it the law will allow it to be abused.

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Sheiky-Baby
08/02/23 1:41:21 PM
#74:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
You know, I got warned two days ago for responding to garbage like this.
Gee, I wonder why.

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RuneterranSnap
08/02/23 1:42:05 PM
#75:


Sheiky-Baby posted...
Gee, I wonder why.
You should be getting banned for that post.

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Gobstoppers12
08/02/23 1:49:28 PM
#76:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
You know, I got warned two days ago for responding to garbage like this.
Probably because of something you said.

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Sheiky-Baby
08/02/23 2:35:37 PM
#77:


RuneterranSnap posted...
You should be getting banned for that post.
Right.

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Irony
08/02/23 2:49:18 PM
#78:


Ok

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FlyEaglesFly24
08/02/23 2:52:09 PM
#79:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Probably because of something you said.

Someone here implied that Nazis should be denied due process because they are Nazis, and I responded by explaining how the history of the Nazi party is a history of denying people due process, and that kind of talk would make you no better than they are.
I was a bit more descriptive in how it would work, but that was the gist of it. I was merely echoing the sentiments of Chief Justice Robert Jackson at Nuremberg.

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GATTJT
08/02/23 2:57:05 PM
#80:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Someone here implied that Nazis should be denied due process because they are Nazis, and I responded by explaining how the history of the Nazi party is a history of denying people due process, and that kind of talk would make you no better than they are.
Oh yeah, I remember that post. You deserved the warning tbqh

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Sheiky-Baby
08/02/23 2:57:59 PM
#81:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Someone here implied that Nazis should be denied due process because they are Nazis, and I responded by explaining how the history of the Nazi party is a history of denying people due process, and that kind of talk would make you no better than they are.
I was a bit more descriptive in how it would work, but that was the gist of it. I was merely echoing the sentiments of Chief Justice Robert Jackson at Nuremberg.
That was the "gist" of it.

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Zeeak4444
08/02/23 3:01:24 PM
#82:


Block_that_Kick posted...
Noted.

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being way too generous

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chaos_knight
08/02/23 3:05:29 PM
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I had Gobstoppers on ignore for years, but heard he changed over that time. This vitriol all from before?

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Priere
08/02/23 3:30:24 PM
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It is not humane to put someone to death.

It is much more humane to strip someone of all their rights, force them to comply to a routine of your choice and lock them in a cage until they die anyway.

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ArtiRock
08/02/23 3:32:32 PM
#86:


Priere posted...
It is not humane to put someone to death.

It is much more humane to strip someone of all their rights, force them to comply to a routine of your choice and lock them in a cage until they die anyway.
Should probably look at other countries like Japan for how it's used. It's only really used for mass murderers. So it's not enough to just simply have killed someone as a murderer. You have to intend to kill multiple people. It's not the best, but having it have very rigid reasons for it.

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Chillscream123
08/02/23 3:34:40 PM
#87:


FlyEaglesFly24 posted...
Someone here implied that Nazis should be denied due process because they are Nazis, and I responded by explaining how the history of the Nazi party is a history of denying people due process, and that kind of talk would make you no better than they are.
I was a bit more descriptive in how it would work, but that was the gist of it. I was merely echoing the sentiments of Chief Justice Robert Jackson at Nuremberg.

Seems unjust. I'm sorry you had to go through that.
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RuneterranSnap
08/02/23 3:36:03 PM
#88:


ArtiRock posted...
Should probably look at other countries like Japan for how it's used. It's only really used for mass murderers. So it's not enough to just simply have killed someone as a murderer. You have to intend to kill multiple people. It's not the best, but having it have very rigid reasons for it.
And then there's Norway, who sentenced Anders Breivik within the normal confines of the law even though he deserved worse, because it's what was best for society.

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ArtiRock
08/02/23 3:43:35 PM
#89:


RuneterranSnap posted...
And then there's Norway, who sentenced Anders Breivik within the normal confines of the law even though he deserved worse, because it's what was best for society.
Maybe, maybe not, because I really don't see a point in being locked up for life. It's basically not living anyways.

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streamofthesky
08/02/23 3:48:14 PM
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The death penalty finally being applied in a case where it should be again!

Good news!

EDIT:

Despite the sentence, it could be years before an execution takes places in light of the Department of Justices moratorium on capital punishment.

FUCK MERRICK GARLAND!

Doesn't do shit about Trump, now will let a vile nazi live b/c of a dumb blanket ban on executions.
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RuneterranSnap
08/02/23 3:49:33 PM
#92:


ArtiRock posted...
Maybe, maybe not, because I really don't see a point in being locked up for life. It's basically not living anyways.
Breivik right now has a better life than a lot of people living "free" in America. It also means there's no chance of executing innocent people or people who can be rehabilitated(not that I think any of these assholes could).

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RuneterranSnap
08/02/23 3:49:41 PM
#93:


streamofthesky posted...
The death penalty finally being applied in a case where it should be again!

Good news!
Nope.

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Tyranthraxus
08/02/23 3:51:32 PM
#94:


ArtiRock posted...
Maybe, maybe not, because I really don't see a point in being locked up for life. It's basically not living anyways.

Anders is an outlier with no remorse who must be kept away from the public for safety. Do you know his legal defense for what he did was "self defense"?

Most people in prison in Norway do not spend life behind bars. The super 100% turbo guilty mass murderer standard people are suggesting the death penalty for is actually Norway's standard for getting what Anders got. Not death.

Norway has one of the Lowest recidivism rates in the world.

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McMarbles
08/02/23 3:53:32 PM
#95:


deanshow posted...
I'm opposed to the death penalty. But I won't sleep over this loser getting though.
This.

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08/02/23 3:57:13 PM
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Gobstoppers12
08/02/23 3:57:47 PM
#97:


chaos_knight posted...
I had Gobstoppers on ignore for years, but heard he changed over that time. This vitriol all from before?
I just want mass murderers and terrorists not to be alive anymore, that's all.

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RuneterranSnap
08/02/23 4:01:18 PM
#98:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Anders is an outlier with no remorse who must be kept away from the public for safety. Do you know his legal defense for what he did was "self defense"?

Most people in prison in Norway do not spend life behind bars. The super 100% turbo guilty mass murderer standard people are suggesting the death penalty for is actually Norway's standard for getting what Anders got. Not death.

Norway has one of the Lowest recidivism rates in the world.
Yup. They sentenced him to the max, 21 years, at which point he will be reevaluated and resentenced. Much better option than life in prison, and WAY better than the death penalty.

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Mr_Karate_II
08/02/23 4:02:12 PM
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Good, he shouldn't get to live when his victims don't.


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RuneterranSnap
08/02/23 4:02:42 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
Good, he shouldn't get to live when his victims don't.
Wrong. Killing him won't make anything better.

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