Current Events > The number of men under 30 not having sex has tripled...

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I've come to realize that I enjoy masturbation more than actual sex. At least I know what I like. None of my sexual encounters have been satisfying.

Justin2Krelian posted...

As long as theyre not becoming radical/bitter or miserable about it, its not necessarily a bad thing.

Unfortunately these types are susceptible/vulnerable to be reeled in by the Andrew Tate and Jordan Petersons of the world.

DementedDurian posted...

Technically, no.

I had a dream this powerful succubus appeared in and I was going to sleep with her. I woke up before the act.

A month later a novice succubus appeared in another dream and I slept with her. She wasn't even fun - all I remember is a feeling of weight on top of me and it was clear her only motive was to claim my virtue as part of some checklist.

I haven't another since - and that was over a year ago.

Ah right, I didn't realize that was you. I recall that tale now.

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Small 2% is abstinence

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

Source: CE

Small 2% is abstinence

There's a French fry on the pie chart.

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If you need this explained then no one can help you.

Some thinking they're just not ready and have to improve their education/career/money/social-skills

They think this because they are repeatedly told this.

Its good advice though often framed poorly

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I think this is a great answer.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

They think this because they are repeatedly told this.

Its good advice though often framed poorly

It's honestly the big reason behind my neuroses. I spent my 20s recovering from my extremely traumatic teens. Still am really, just have a better hold of it.

But now I'm so behind and the lack of self worth I've had through my life has exploded. The act of convincing myself that I'm worthy of love feels almost impossible. Not to mention all these feelings are absolutely exhausting to where I don't even have the energy to be a proper partner.

I think the tendency to over analyse the dating process, rationalise and categorize human behaviour is what's ruining the scene. All the amateur shit you see on YouTube, attempting to explain what women want, what men want . . . having that in your head when your dating isn't helping.

Relax, have fun, keep it casual, friendly and low stakes. See where that takes you.

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At the same time, Companionship would be nicer than being alone watching cams. But I hear in your 30s, trying to match with someone of similar age you're going to find almost only single moms.

Personally, I don't want to jump from never having sex to being some kids dad. I'd absolutely rather not. And then other women, based on what I've heard, are exceptionally picky based on what they deal with and the problem of there being like 100 women for 10,000 different men. They got red flags for not having a fucking instagram account now. Some of them are single and looking because they're manipulative and deranged.

Besides, ADHD would probably make it hard not for me to be a huge problem in a relationship, unless the woman I'm dating ALSO has ADHD so she knows what I'm dealing with. And that could STILL be a problem.

As someone who falls under this demographic, I would chalk it up to depression/social anxiety and not having good social skills. It's not just love I'm not finding, I have a hard time forming and keeping meaningful friendships. I get along with people well enough, but I struggle with actually becoming close friends.

I recently started medication for my depression and anxiety at least, but I still don't know how to go about meeting new people.

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I just want to add on to this it's not just the redpill community, but also the female equivalent redpill community as well. Idk what they are called, but if I had to give them a name, the toxic feminist type that blame men for all of their problems, love to promote equality of the sexes but only if they can pick all the perks but none of the cons (like promoting outdated practices against men, but will shame you if you expect putdated practices of a woman), and refuse to think woman do anything wrong.

Good thing I'm 37 then!

Men are realizing that It's better to watch porn and masturbate than to have sex. They just want the pleasure of sex without all the bullshit that comes before and after it because outside of sex women can be a pain to deal with sometimes.

The_Wheelman1 posted...

Men are realizing that It's better to watch porn and masturbate than to have sex. They just want the pleasure of sex without all the bullshit that comes before and after it.

Terrible take. Not even close to being true.

luigi33 posted...

Terrible take. Not even close to being true.

It's more true than you think. Most men don't even want a real relationship. They just want to hit it and leave. Porn saves them the time and effort of finding sex.

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Good to have a name for them.

But ya, I was serious. As I know just even mentioning woman can be toxic as well sends some into jumping into "you must be redpill" for having the audacity to point out there's a portion of men and woman out there that have some outdated sexist expectations towards men, quick to blame men for everything, and dismiss any sexism beliefs towards a man.

For example the redpill woman equivalent champion gender equality, but only if it can be treated like a buffet where they can pick and choose the things that are pros, but none of the negatives that come with it. Like promoting outdated practices for woman is sexist, but in the same breath will shame a man for not adhering to outdated practices that are not perks for men.

To be clear I'm not saying all men or all woman are the above things. I'm speaking about the specific toxic factions of those 2 groups.

We go round and round on this issue and nobody has the guts to bring up the obvious cause of the issue. Men are finding it increasingly harder to find a partner while women aren't? There's a very simple explanation. Women are disappearing. I don't know where they're going, but it's somewhere else. By my estimation, the population is now 60+% men and rising. We need to find them, or life as we know it may cease to exist.

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

What worries me most is that a lot of them resent this and are turning to misogynists that lay all the blame on women instead of trying to help themselves. All these kids that go and spend money on those only sites and them complain they dont want a girl with "high body count". Well guess what, NOBODY wants a person that doesnt take care of themselves, plays video games all day.

I was in this age range until 2 years ago and back then I made the last decade of my life dedicated to dating, so I feel like I can talk on this.

I think people are far too quick to blame men and too quick to defend women, this is why we have things like white knights and simps. Seems almost akin to victim blaming to always jump straight to men aren't trying hard enough, have standards that are too high for our just plain shitty. This seems like a common go-to on GameFAQs. I counter this with saying I think you still can be an average guy and still have major issues even being acknowledged

I personally worked out weekly, tried to improve my style over time, got into other hobbies besides video games like gardening and cooking. My standards were far from high. In fact, after being ignored by average girls for years, your standards kind of hit rock bottom. Eventually the only women that acknowledge you are severely obese.

Going through my own struggles and seeing that my dating pool was mostly obese women that had no drive to lose weight and just wanted to be accepted for exactly how they were (one of them even being diagnosed with diabetes while I was dating them), this narrative that it's just all men's fault doesn't sit well with me.

I think it just comes down to women are the ones who are picky. Most guys will jump at the chance to be with any woman.

Anony1125 posted...

We go round and round on this issue and nobody has the guts to bring up the obvious cause of the issue. Men are finding it increasingly harder to find a partner while women aren't? There's a very simple explanation. Women are disappearing. I don't know where they're going, but it's somewhere else. By my estimation, the population is now 60+% men and rising. We need to find them, or life as we know it may cease to exist.

lol, I was thinking this whole argument doesnt really make sense when men and women are equal populations. Of course the reality of the situation is that the biggest cause is women in their 20s dating older men.

I was so ahead of my time lol

Around that age for me which was a little over a decade ago... My dating experiences led to me being extremely selective in who I go out with, which had led to me getting a lot of comments about how I basically don't deserve the right to be because I'm not super model pretty for a guy.

My first two dating experiences, one of em wound up getting in to(and trying to get me in to) the party and drugs scene which I had no real interest in. The second one accused me of cheating because I had a lot of female friends online. I came home from buying groceries to find her having lit an old recliner from my grandfather on fire in my yard(which also caught the cable lines on fire. This event basically ruined her life.)

I just... Couldn't deal with it. Sex wasn't worth this shit by a long shot. Because I wasn't constantly in a relationship I caught a lot of shit from people for a long time. I can only imagine it's way worse for guys nowadays. Lucky I finally found someone finally, but still... The incentive for me from my experiences just wasn't there. With the landscape these days, dunno if I could get back in to dating wholeheartedly.

Justin2Krelian posted...

lol, I was thinking this whole argument doesnt really make sense when men and women are equal populations. Of course the reality of the situation is that the biggest cause is women in their 20s dating older men.

Women have always dated older men though.

HylianFox posted...

I've come to realize that I enjoy masturbation more than actual sex. At least I know what I like. None of my sexual encounters have been satisfying.

Well it's a lot less work

HylianFox posted...

I've come to realize that I enjoy masturbation more than actual sex. At least I know what I like. None of my sexual encounters have been satisfying.

Seriously? Masturbation is a release, but clearly not even 10% as good as sex.

bsp77 posted...

Seriously? Masturbation is a release, but clearly not even 10% as good as sex.

It does depend on the sex, to be fair. There have been occasions after having sex where Ive wondered why I bothered. Some people just arent very compatible in that regard.

Glob posted...

It does depend on the sex, to be fair. There have been occasions after having sex where Ive wondered why I bothered. Some people just arent very compatible in that regard.

Okay, that's true. One night stands in particular aren't good from that perspective. But every actual relationship I had, it was sooooo much better than masturbation. You basically just need to attune to each other.

bsp77 posted...

Okay, that's true. One night stands in particular aren't good from that perspective. But every actual relationship I had, it was sooooo much better than masturbation. You basically just need to attune to each other.

I think that can really elevate things but I also think some people just click in the bedroom very easily.

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

Just over the past decade.

"Data from the General Social survey indicates that around 23% of men aged 18-30 reported abstaining from sex in the past year. The percentage of young men abstaining increased from 10% in 2008 to 28% in 2018, while women reported slightly better numbers."

Suspected factors seem to be prolonged living at home, influence of social media, video games and other distractions. All this goes hand in hand with the "rise of the alpha male" influencers like Tate. What worries me most is that a lot of them resent this and are turning to misogynists that lay all the blame on women instead of trying to help themselves. All these kids that go and spend money on those only sites and them complain they dont want a girl with "high body count". Well guess what, NOBODY wants a person that doesnt take care of themselves, plays video games all day. Sure its more complicated than that, and the actual economy also plays a big part. Hard to feel confident when you dont have a decent paying job, have no place to yourself at a later age or just no positive outlook for the future. But first of all...work on yourselves before blaming women.

Do you have a source or a link for this?

Glob posted...

I think that can really elevate things but I also think some people just click in the bedroom very easily.

Also, practice. I please my fiance much more now than when we started. We have probably had sex like over 500 times, and it probably has gone from like a 5 to a 10. Everyone is different, but if people actually communicate and put forth effort, sex can and should be fantastic. Masturbation simply doesn't compare.

This is off topic now.

bsp77 posted...

Seriously? Masturbation is a release, but clearly not even 10% as good as sex.

I highly beg to differ. It can even be better at times.

Trickfinger posted...

I highly beg to differ. It can even be better at times.

You haven't had good sex. Fact.

bsp77 posted...

You haven't had good sex. Fact.

You're wrong. Fact.

Trickfinger posted...

You're wrong. Fact.

You clearly haven't if you think masturbation is better.

bsp77 posted...

You clearly haven't if you think masturbation is better.

Oh, so you can't read.

Lmao who thinks masturbation is better or even close to sex?

Nothing comes close to the intimacy of sex. Masturbation is all about self-satisfaction. Part of the excitement of sex is making somebody else feel good too. Also if you're fapping all you're doing is stimulating one part of your body whereas sex is a full body experience. You can feel the weight of their body, the warmth of their heat, both internal and external, the smoothness of their skin, hair lips and all the other minute pieces.

Trickfinger posted...

Oh, so you can't read.

So, just saying masturbation can be better than some sex? Fine, you are correct.

My convo with Glob several posts earlier is still how it can and should be much better after multiple times with the same person.

My reaction was more to people who believe that masturbation overall is better than sex overall.

deoxxys posted...

I was in this age range until 2 years ago and back then I made the last decade of my life dedicated to dating, so I feel like I can talk on this.

I think people are far too quick to blame men and too quick to defend women, this is why we have things like white knights and simps. Seems almost akin to victim blaming to always jump straight to men aren't trying hard enough, have standards that are too high for our just plain shitty. This seems like a common go-to on GameFAQs. I counter this with saying I think you still can be an average guy and still have major issues even being acknowledged

I personally worked out weekly, tried to improve my style over time, got into other hobbies besides video games like gardening and cooking. My standards were far from high. In fact, after being ignored by average girls for years, your standards kind of hit rock bottom. Eventually the only women that acknowledge you are severely obese.

Going through my own struggles and seeing that my dating pool was mostly obese women that had no drive to lose weight and just wanted to be accepted for exactly how they were (one of them even being diagnosed with diabetes while I was dating them), this narrative that it's just all men's fault doesn't sit well with me.

I think it just comes down to women are the ones who are picky. Most guys will jump at the chance to be with any woman.

Yeap. Historically and all throughout nature, its the woman who can afford to be picky unless you make a lot of money. I think as much as we've evolved theres an instinctual behavior that its hard to get rid of. Men want to procreate by spreading their seed aka having sex, and women want the best specimen they can find in order to procreate healthy babies.

It all comes down to supply and demand even though theres more women than men in the world.

Bleuets posted...

I saw a study that concluded that most of what we would define as incels identifies as left on the political spectrum.

Well here on CE most people define an incel as someone on the right who just hates women so you're gonna need to define terms before you start suggesting things like this

I have had sex, and have continued to have opportunities for it, but im at a point rn where im just not actively seeking partners. I just got a new job, moved back to my home town after college, and im perfectly content to chill out for a bit.

Ive grappled with the idea that i may be asexual, because although Ive done it, im not particularly interested in sex, and have rejected many people in the past because of my lack of interest

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

I have had sex, and have continued to have opportunities for it, but im at a point rn where im just not actively seeking partners. I just got a new job, moved back to my home town after college, and im perfectly content to chill out for a bit.

Ive grappled with the idea that i may be asexual, because although Ive done it, im not particularly interested in sex, and have rejected many people in the past because of my lack of interest

Some people have a much higher or lower sex drive than others. Its possible youre asexual, but also possible you just have a low sex drive. I feel like mine has started to drop slightly as I get older, but mine was very high when I was younger.

BettyWhite posted...

I realize that I'm not necessarily the norm because I don't have a problem attracting partners. But I can see how it would create different issues in other groups of people.

It's just so hard not to feel like a useless piece of shit because I don't own a house, my job sucks, and my mental health sucks. I think about a relationship and I just imagine how much I'll disappoint them and how much I'll hurt afterwards. It's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy, but even with therapy I just absolutely struggle with hating myself.

How does that even work? How can you possibly attract women if you hate yourself? Are you an Adonis-looking gigachad or something?

Low self-esteem and depression are possibly the most repulsive things to women from what I've seen and heard, I just don't get how you don't struggle to attract women with these problems

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

How does that even work? How can you possibly attract women if you hate yourself? Are you an Adonis-looking gigachad or something?

Low self-esteem and depression are possibly the most repulsive things to women from what I've seen and heard, I just don't get how you don't struggle to attract women with these problems

Id imagine by hiding those qualities. Some people are very good at masking self-loathing.

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This. The whole macho alpha-male toxic masculinity trend is dying and dying fast. Those who cling to it (or those who make topics like this going "WHY NO MEN SEX NO MORE WHERE'S MY PILLS") are relics of an older era.