Current Events > Sakura really is da worst written female in fictional history huh?

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PraetorXyn
07/24/23 12:28:59 PM
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Mystereave posted...
I don't understand, I just don't.

How did Naruto ever succeed at all? It really feels like it did nothing right, Kishimoto sucks at almost everything apparently, the manga he wrote after Naruto bombed and was cancelled...

One Piece is still going strong, people were generally excited to see the Bleach anime come back, meanwhile Naruto's over here just digging its own grave deeper and deeper.

I just... Is ANYTHING I like or watch or read or play destined for this fate? It's literally driving me mad at this point.
One Piece is amazing, and arguably better now than it ever was. Its literally the second highest selling comic of all time at 516m units, and thats only 83.5m behind Supermans 600m. Superman started in 1937, 60 years before One Piece did, so thats a staggering feat.

To answer your question, mostly because part 1 was good, especially the chnin exams and the invasion.

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ArtiRock
07/24/23 12:29:34 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Like Sakura is badly written. But acting like Hinata is written better is a joke.
I stand by that they are both poorly written. Hinata is better written in the sense that there is less bad with her. Sakura is a main character, Hinata is not. As a matter of fact, I actually like that Naruto was paired with someone that wasn't a main character. That's probably the best thing you can say about the pairing.
Mystereave posted...
I don't understand, I just don't.

How did Naruto ever succeed at all? It really feels like it did nothing right, Kishimoto sucks at almost everything apparently, the manga he wrote after Naruto bombed and was cancelled...

One Piece is still going strong, people were generally excited to see the Bleach anime come back, meanwhile Naruto's over here just digging its own grave deeper and deeper.

I just... Is ANYTHING I like or watch or read or play destined for this fate? It's literally driving me mad at this point.
Because at the start of Naruto, the concept was pretty neat. And it still has some decent battles for a fighting shonen. Plus, you were a kid, and it has ninjas, and a lot of kids like ninjas.

The issue with Naruto is that it blunders around too much, and most of the cast is either underutilized, underdeveloped, or thrown away. It consistently shit on its own themes, and just genuinely suffers from a lot of battle manga issues.

If you're watching it for fights, it's alright, and even good at moments. If you're watching it for the plot, good luck.

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Vegy
07/27/23 5:48:27 AM
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Naruto would be top 10 anime if sakura didn't exist

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Super_Slash
07/27/23 6:06:06 AM
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Vegy posted...
Naruto would be top 10 anime if sakura didn't exist
Nah, the story is waaaaaay too convoluted.

And as for Sakura, she had setup sure, and all of it was terrible. She did NOTHING in all of part 2 except heal a few people during the war. She also said near the end that she "finally caught up" to Naruto and Sasuke...only to still do literally nothing.
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party_animal07
07/27/23 6:08:51 AM
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Not even close. Kishi doesn't write many (if any honestly) of the kunoichi well, but I'm sure tons of worse characters can be found in fiction.

Also, while I'm a Sakura hater myself, her uselessness is often over stated. Especially considering Naruto would be dead without her.


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Super_Slash
07/27/23 6:34:17 AM
#56:


party_animal07 posted...
Not even close. Kishi doesn't write many (if any honestly) of the kunoichi well, but I'm sure tons of worse characters can be found in fiction.

Also, while I'm a Sakura hater myself, her uselessness is often over stated. Especially considering Naruto would be dead without her.
Nah it's not overstated at all. She spends 85% of her screentime crying about Sasuke and pretty much nothing else.
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majin_nemesis
07/27/23 6:49:25 AM
#57:


Vegy posted...
So fucking useless, i hate how obsessed she is with Sasuke after all da things he's done and how fucking useless she is
she's not useless at all
without her, kankuro, chiyo and even Naruto would have died, she kept a lot of people alive during the ninja war and during the invasion of konoha, she's also a pretty good fighter and one of the strongest of konoha 11, she's on the level of tsunande if not better at the end of the series,
Kishimoto just doesn't give women good showings because he hates women
Sakura also has skill in genjutsu but i guess kishimoto didn't wanted a female main character to be as strong as naruto and sasuke because screw women
you people need to stop hating on Sakura for no freaking reason other then being mad that she didn't loved naruto

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Poorly
07/27/23 8:39:16 AM
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majin_nemesis posted...
Sakura also has skill in genjutsu


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TheSavageDragon
07/27/23 9:10:02 AM
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Poorly posted...

Man is right about that though. Sakura being adept at recognizing and dispelling genjutsu is something that's established early on. It just doesn't get brought up later on. Sasuke far surpasses her in that regard once he gets the Sharingan anyway.
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party_animal07
07/27/23 9:14:07 AM
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Super_Slash posted...
Nah it's not overstated at all. She spends 85% of her screentime crying about Sasuke and pretty much nothing else.
And the other 15% protecting and saving the lives of multiple cast members.

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Poorly
07/27/23 9:43:46 AM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
Man is right about that though. Sakura being adept at recognizing and dispelling genjutsu is something that's established early on. It just doesn't get brought up later on. Sasuke far surpasses her in that regard once he gets the Sharingan anyway.
Sasuke eclipsed her in terms of genjutsu the author thinks that it would be a waist of time to brought back that little snippet of comments from kakashi and pretend it never happened

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ArtiRock
07/27/23 9:47:02 AM
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party_animal07 posted...
And the other 15% protecting and saving the lives of multiple cast members.
In other words, a poorly written character. As a kid, she was useless, as an adult, when you can say the best things she's done is "be a healer" in a battle manga, that's really disappointing.

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TheSavageDragon
07/27/23 9:51:33 AM
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Poorly posted...
Sasuke eclipsed her in terms of genjutsu the author thinks that it would be a waist of time to brought back that little snippet of comments from kakashi and pretend it never happened

For one, that "little snippet of comment" is incorrect as she is shown to easily dispel genjutsu across the entire series. And you can pretend to know Kishimoto's reasonings all you want.

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PowerOats
07/27/23 10:19:01 AM
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So who wins in a fight? Sakura or Hinata.
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Xenogears15
07/27/23 10:26:43 AM
#65:


PowerOats posted...
So who wins in a fight? Sakura or Hinata.

My bet is on Hinata

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Poorly
07/27/23 10:51:00 AM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
For one, that "little snippet of comment" is incorrect as she is shown to easily dispel genjutsu across the entire series. And you can pretend to know Kishimoto's reasonings all you want.

https://www.bilibili.tv/en/video/2006130664
That says nothing about her prowess in genjutsu tho. I bet 1000 ninjas can easily dispel genjutsu as easy her. Bragging her dispelling genjutsu is like bragging she had more ki control than naruto and sasuke at the beginning of the series which both of them surpassed after the chunnin exam.

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TheSavageDragon
07/27/23 10:57:53 AM
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Poorly posted...
That says nothing about her prowess in genjutsu tho

Except that you need to be able to recognize genjutsu in order to dispel them. Which Naruto wasn't able to do even in the Shippuuden clip I posted.

Poorly posted...
Bragging her dispelling genjutsu is like bragging she had more ki control than naruto and sasuke at the beginning of the series which both of them surpassed after the chunnin exam.

Who's bragging? I'm merely pointing out that laughing at the notion she has some skill in that regard is as dumb as pretending she's a well written character. The proof is right there in the manga and the anime.
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Link_of_time
07/27/23 10:59:41 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Impossible since Hinata is in the same story, my guy.

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Poorly
07/27/23 11:01:39 AM
#69:


TheSavageDragon posted...
Except that you need to be able to recognize genjutsu in order to dispel them. Which Naruto wasn't able to do even in the Shippuuden clip I posted.
Sure...what other genjutsu techniques that she learnt besides entry level dispelling genjutsu?

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TheSavageDragon
07/27/23 11:07:30 AM
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Poorly posted...
Sure...what other genjutsu techniques that she learnt besides entry level dispelling genjutsu?

"She has some skill in that regard" =/= "she's a prominent genjutsu user". Again, she was able to dispel a genjutsu placed on Naruto by pretty much the most powerful genjutsu user in the series in that clip I posted.
It has been outright stated and shown she has some skill with genjutsu. You can cover your eyes all day long and pretend like you know what the writer's motivations are. At the end of the day, proof was provided from one side and nothing from the other.
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Poorly
07/27/23 11:12:54 AM
#71:


TheSavageDragon posted...
"She has some skill in that regard" =/= "she's a prominent genjutsu user". Again, she was able to dispel a genjutsu placed on Naruto by pretty much the most powerful genjutsu user in the series in that clip I posted.
It has been outright stated and shown she has some skill with genjutsu. You can cover your eyes all day long and pretend like you know what the writer's motivations are. At the end of the day, proof was provided from one side and nothing from the other.
OK let's say ur a firefighter, you put off fire with water. Does that mean ur master the fire?

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Poorly
07/27/23 11:24:30 AM
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Take ur time huffing that precious genjutsu copium lol

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Super_Slash
07/27/23 11:39:37 AM
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majin_nemesis posted...
she's on the level of tsunande if not better at the end of the series
Lmfao
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FlyEaglesFly24
07/27/23 12:14:07 PM
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I really dont think TC is an authority on writing skills. Cant even spell a three letter word correctly. I mean there are three letters, and TC missed all of them. Hes also missing a comma.

I dont know who this Sakura is, but if you are going to comment on bad writing, you might as well be good at it first.

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TheSavageDragon
07/27/23 12:24:21 PM
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Poorly posted...
OK let's say ur a firefighter, you put off fire with water. Does that mean ur master the fire?

Go on, show me where I said she mastered genjutsu.
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majin_nemesis
07/28/23 6:29:41 AM
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Super_Slash posted...
majin_nemesis posted...

she's on the level of tsunande if not better at the end of the series

Lmfao
she freaking is,she not only can do what tsunande can she unlike Tsunande doesn't need to use chakra maitaining and young look allowing her to be able to sue more chakra for healing and punching
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majin_nemesis posted...

Sakura also has skill in genjutsu

it's true it was said mutiple times that sakura has skill in genjutsu and she's a genjustu type due to her high intelligence and extreme chakra control which one of the best in the series

if Kishi wasn't such a misogynist and was a better writer he would have given sakura genjutsu abilites which would make her quite the broken character imagine putting the opponent in a genjutsu and giving her self enough time to hit the opponent with her megaton punches, she would kill a lot of people in one hit, she would be a combination of Tsunande with Kurenai, which is another female character that Kishimoto didn't allowed to shine at all

also you mention sasuke, sasuke isn't good with genjutsu at all,the sharigan gives him some genjutsu abilities but they aren't even close to people like itachi

Poorly posted... That says nothing about her prowess in genjutsu tho. I bet 1000 ninjas can easily dispel genjutsu as easy her. Bragging her dispelling genjutsu is like bragging she had more ki control than naruto and sasuke at the beginning of the series which both of them surpassed after the chunnin exam.

they didn't surpassed her in ki control and don't forget that sakura was one of the only genin to be able to resist kabuto's genjutsu during the chunnin exam, the only other one was shikimaru
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