Current Events > John Kerry says US will not pay poorer countries for climate damages

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https://www.commondreams.org/news/kerry-says-no-climate-reparations

Doesn't make a lot of sense at this juncture tbh. They're gonna get flooded tf out if they have money or not

we're not even paying our own citizens for all the cancer caused by businesses dumping chemicals in water for almost 100 years. half the government still pretends climate change doesn't exist. we're never gonna give other countries money for fucking them up

The article points out that we agreed to do just this at the last climate summit:

The U.S. diplomat is preparing to travel to Beijing in the coming days to discuss the climate crisis with Chinese officials, including plans for the upcoming COP28 conference hosted by the United Arab Emirates.
Last year's agreement to establish a loss and damage fund was hailed as a positive step forward even though it coincided with yet another failure by policymakers to commit to a swift and just phaseout of coal, oil, and gasthe primary sources of further devastation. Fossil fuels are estimated to cause more than $5 trillion in unpaid damages around the globe each year.
Details of the fundincluding which governments will be expected to pay and which will be eligible to receive as well as how much financing will be provided and how it will be distributedare still being worked out.

I mean if it was Trump I would not pull it pass him to just want to blow them up to shut them up, ugh.

Intro2Logic posted...

The article points out that we agreed to do just this at the last climate summit:

Yeah but the election cycle is starting now so its time to drop all principles to get elected*

*The GOP doesn' do much of this because they don't have principles

John Kerry doesn't get a say in it

Man still find it weird Biden picked Kerry over Gore for this

RuneterranSnap posted...

John Kerry doesn't get a say in it

Kerry is currently serving as the "U.S. Special Presidential Envoy for Climate" which I assume gives him some amount of say

Antifar posted...

Kerry is currently serving as the "U.S. Special Presidential Envoy for Climate" which I assume gives him some amount of say

Time for him to step down because we agreed to do this and it's happening, as it should.

Antifar posted...

Kerry is currently serving as the "U.S. Special Presidential Envoy for Climate" which I assume gives him some amount of say

John Kerry shouldn't get a say is probably the takeaway here.

Even tho China has like as much as the other top five combined in climate change contributions last I checked they go after the US?

RuneterranSnap posted...

Time for him to step down because we agreed to do this and it's happening, as it should.

Looks like it's not.

America spends far too much on foreign affairs already.

Masked-One posted...

America spends far too much on foreign affairs already.

Weird take here, imo

R_Jackal posted...

Even tho China has like as much as the other top five combined in climate change contributions last I checked they go after the US?

something something its america's fault. Apparently the US manufacturing a lot of their shit in China means China is somehow unable as a sovereign nation to improve their own emissions standards because it would make it too expensive to manufacture cheap shit there. Therefore it's actually america's fault that china's emissions are so unbelievably bad. Just as it's america's fault they've only ever committed to a graduate decrease in the rate that their emissions are increasing at any kind of climate summit, which is less than the bare minimum.

Antifar posted...

Weird take here, imo

Are you implying that America doesn't spend more on foreign affairs than other countries do?

Anyone who believed America would pay for something of this nature was being naive.

I still haven't gotten my 40 acres and my mule yet.

China has almost 5x as many people as the US and their shift to capitalism was much more recent.

the US has been poisoning the world for a long ass time but the biggest problem is the government knew we were doing it and didn't care because money

are the top 5 emissions coming from countries going through an industrial revolution? will it go down afterward?

Ratchetrockon posted...

are the top 5 emissions coming from countries going through an industrial revolution? will it go down afterward?

Did they go back in time to before modern technology was invented? Or are we pretending they're ignorant to modern standards because they want to do things, linearly, starting from before those things existed.

s0nicfan posted...

Did they go back in time to before modern technology was invented? Or are we pretending they're ignorant to modern standards because they want to do things, linearly, starting from before those things existed.

so do you think developing countries should be restricted to 2nd or 3rd world levels just because they didn't get to poisoning the environment before the rest of the world did? if they have the opportunity to improve on that sort of scale they should take it just like all of human history did before them

s0nicfan posted...

Did they go back in time to before modern technology was invented? Or are we pretending they're ignorant to modern standards because they want to do things, linearly, starting from before those things existed.

idk what they use

thronedfire2 posted...

so do you think developing countries should be restricted to 2nd or 3rd world levels just because they didn't get to poisoning the environment before the rest of the world did? if they have the opportunity to improve on that sort of scale they should take it just like all of human history did before them

I think you must believe global warming is bullshit if you're willing to let a nation choking the world to death off the hook at a time when we're being told it's literally "now or never" simply because it might slightly slow their GDP growth.

s0nicfan posted...

I think you must believe global warming is bullshit if you're willing to let a nation choking the world to death off the hook at a time when we're being told it's literally "now or never" simply because it might slightly slow their GDP growth.

no I know it's not bullshit.

but the US has known for 50 years and didn't care until recently

thronedfire2 posted...

no I know it's not bullshit.

but the US has known for 50 years and didn't care until recently

Therefore China should be allowed to...?
(You can finish the sentence)

India has a literal perpetual brown cloud of smoke from all the pollution and basically no regulations/guidelines, but do go on

s0nicfan posted...

Therefore China should be allowed to...?
(You can finish the sentence)

do what the US is doing about climate change, right?

thronedfire2 posted...

do what the US is doing about climate change, right?

It'd be amazing if they were doing what the US was doing. The US committed to:
Reducing U.S. greenhouse gas emissions 50-52% below 2005 levels in 2030. Reaching 100% carbon pollution-free electricity by 2035.

Meanwhile, China committed to:
China officially submitted its mid-century long-term low greenhouse gas emission development strategy and an updated NDC in October 2021, ahead of COP26, pledging to reach carbon neutrality before 2060 and peaking CO2 emissions before 2030.

So, again, in the time the US is committing to reducing their emissions by 50%, China is only committing to no longer increasing their emissions by 2030.

But of course there's no way you would have known any of that or you wouldn't have tried to suggest that China should match the US in commitments.

We do not have democratic control over China in the way that we ostensibly do over our own country. "Do you think the US should pay for climate damages in poorer countries who suffer the effects but not the benefits of our use of fossil fuels?" is a question that can and should be answered on its own. I recognize the importance of international cooperation, but pointing fingers at China when the US is asked whether they'll keep their commitments just seems like evading the question.