Current Events > Judge blocks investigation into deputy gangs...

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https://youtu.be/cg4vNjsiLzE

https://www. google.com/amp/s/www.hawaiitribune-

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LOS ANGELES In a 42-page ruling that is sure to be contentious, a civil court judge effectively blocked the county watchdog from thoroughly investigating deputy gangs that operate within the Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department.
The lengthy decision, dated Monday but released a day later, is the latest development in an ongoing lawsuit over whether suspected members of deputy gangs can be forced to answer questions and show their tattoos to county oversight investigators.
The Association for Los Angeles Deputy Sheriffs which filed the suit in May said requiring its members to reveal ink or submit to interviews would violate the Fourth Amendments ban on unreasonable searches and the Fifth Amendments protections against self-incrimination, as well as state labor law.

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge James Chalfant partially agreed for now. But it was the arguments relating to labor law that he found most compelling, so this weeks preliminary injunction will only halt the Office of Inspector Generals investigation until the labor issues are resolved.
Given how long the countys efforts to investigate deputy gangs have already taken, the judge said there was no urgency in moving forward with the probe immediately.
The county will face little to no harm from a preliminary injunctive relief because the tattoos are permanent and will be available for inspection after a trial on the merits, Chalfant added.

Still, civil rights experts worry the decision could have broader implications for efforts to hold law enforcement accountable, effectively undermining a 2021 state law aimed at eradicating deputy gangs.
It could have a chilling effect, said Andrs Kwon, senior policy counsel with the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California. The law mandates all law enforcement agencies to clearly prohibit deputy gangs and to cooperate with investigations into deputy gangs, essentially. Its a clear mandate, and ALADS is trying to block this law from being implemented.
In Los Angeles, the ruling presents a significant roadblock to the Office of Inspector Generals investigation.
Im disappointed that deputy gangs will remain for now, and I expect the county will appeal, said Inspector General Max Huntsman.
Its been a year and a half since California outlawed the gangs without meaningful investigation by law enforcement, he added. My office will continue to work toward the day when the Sheriffs Department is no longer above the law.
For nearly half a century, the Sheriffs Department has been plagued by rogue groups of deputies allegedly running roughshod over certain stations and promoting a culture of violence. A Loyola Marymount University report released in 2021 identified 18 such groups that have existed over the last five decades, commonly known by names such as the Executioners, the Banditos, the Regulators and the Little Devils.

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Eat my ass, judge.

cops being cops

not like they could possibly alter or remove the tattoos in the meantime. tattoos are permanent u guys.

Despite the well-deserved bad reputation of the LAPD, the L.A. County Sheriffs are and have always been worse.

They have a very different position when it comes to regular gang tattoos, don't they? Yet this gang is even more dangerous, because they commit the same kind of crimes while being being above the law; there's nobody to hold them accountable.

Some gang members wear robes

tremain07 posted...

Eat my ass, judge.

lol

No justifiable reason for this ruling

Gritty posted...

No justifiable reason for this ruling

The fourth and fifth amendments were referenced, however loosely.

Because of white supremacists applying.

X8Azazel8X posted...

Because of white supremacists applying.

The gang member police officers are mostly Hispanic in this particular case.

PAGamerG posted...

The gang member police officers are mostly Hispanic in this particular case.

I know this is going to blow you mind, but there are plenty of Hispanic people who identify as white and are white supremacists.

Skankhair posted...

I know this is going to blow you mind, but there are plenty of Hispanic people who identify as white and are white supremacists.

Plenty..?

PAGamerG posted...

Plenty..?

This really shouldn't surprise anybody is even tangentially familiar with South American history. Why do you think the Nazis fled to Argentina and why do you think numerous Latin American countries dealt with fascist death squads & dictators in the 20th century

Can't speak to if these groups referenced in the OP are white supremacists specifically or have explicit goals of instituting anti-black policies but it's far from atypical. No, it isn't rational, but neither is racism, and the premise tends to be "we both agree natives and/or black people are inferior so we ally on this topic."

You can also see this more commonly in white nationalist spaces that regularly praise East Asian cultures for perceived lack of diversity

Just more proof that the judicial system blatantly favors these criminals.

Ah yes "deputy gangs" AKA "vigilantes" AKA "people who should not have badges or guns"
>_>

I wouldn't mind having a peek at any evidence or examples of Hispanic white supremacists in the country.

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Skankhair posted...

I know this is going to blow you mind, but there are plenty of Hispanic people who identify as white and are white supremacists.

Zero_Destroyer posted...

This really shouldn't surprise anybody is even tangentially familiar with South American history. Why do you think the Nazis fled to Argentina and why do you think numerous Latin American countries dealt with fascist death squads & dictators in the 20th century

Can't speak to if these groups referenced in the OP are white supremacists specifically or have explicit goals of instituting anti-black policies but it's far from atypical. No, it isn't rational, but neither is racism, and the premise tends to be "we both agree natives and/or black people are inferior so we ally on this topic."

But there's a couple things...

1. These Hispanic officers are not identifying as Caucasian at all. Most of them identify as "Latin." There's no "white supremacy" implications here. Some of the gangs and even their names share an energy with other "Latin" gangs in the county.
2. They don't only target Blacks. A few years ago, a group of officers rolled up on an 18-year-old Hispanic security guard and killed him. Some say they often do this for initiation purposes. Peep the link below, and pay particular attention to the last 90 seconds or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbLmWvCy93g

Also... Argentina was a 1st-world country back then, if I'm not mistaken. The Germans had a political relationship with Argentina in general. It's where they docked back-and-forth on their expeditions to explore Antarctica. I remember reading the U.S. used sanctions and tariffs to damage Argentina's economy in the aftermath of that situation.

mercurydude posted...

They have a very different position when it comes to regular gang tattoos, don't they? Yet this gang is even more dangerous, because they commit the same kind of crimes while being being above the law; there's nobody to hold them accountable.

Good point. I wonder if their legal team pointed this out.

Sounds like cop unions just protect gang members.

At what point do you simply handle things in an extrajudicial fashion. If the system itself decides that it's untouchable, what good is said system?

"Deputy gangs"

As if cops weren't already a gang.

Skankhair posted...

I know this is going to blow you mind, but there are plenty of Hispanic people who identify as white and are white supremacists.

Lmfao the mental gymnastics jist to blame white people. That is blowing my mind for sure. Not everything is racial.

Hispanic isn't a race but an ethnicity, most of which are indeed caucasian.

Avirosb posted...

Hispanic isn't a race but an ethnicity, most of which are indeed caucasian.

Ethnicity is so broad that it doesn't have much meaning ultimately. The term Hispanic is closer to the terms "Anglophone" and "Francophone." They're cultural identities tied to a common language derivative of a specific country, ultimately sharing universal attributes as a result.

In different parts of Africa or Canada, the people will identify as part of English-derivative culture, thus sharing sociological traits. These are called anglophones. The same goes for French parts of Canada and Africa. These communities are filled with Francophones. It only gets interesting with Spain-derivative culture in places like Los Angeles or Argentina. There are communities in both linked by attributes that derive from Spain. These are inaccurately referred to as "Latin," but the idea is all the same.

Caucus is a race umbrella. What evidence have we that most Hispanics are Caucasian when whopping chunks of Spain itself consist of Arabic blood for centuries? Central Americans consist of Spaniard blood, Arabic blood, and Native American blood. Mathematically, they should be technically no more than 50% Caucasian on average (if that). The only people in Mexico who are mostly Caucasian, are those whose Spaniard family lineages are largely untouched by Aztec blood as well as simultaneously untouched by Arabic blood. This is so unlikely that there's almost no way it can make up 50% of Central America, let alone "most." The issue here is that most people forget about "Latin" Americans being racially derivative of a place that has greatly mixed with Arabic blood for hundreds of years.

Moreover, having some Caucasian blood in you defines nothing outside of your personal psychological and sociological identification. Otherwise I would be Irish due to my great-grandmother. But alas, I am a "Black" Panamanian instead.

If the Hispanic deputies in question don't identify as Caucasian on any level, how can they be white supremacists? It would be like calling El Salvadorian Crips & Bloods white supremacists. LOL, you have to know you have white blood in you before you can even promote yourself as a supremely "White" human.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/6/AAe-HEAAEnuW.jpg

Wow I thought I was cynical before and I didn't even know this was a thing.

I think it's a mistake to treat racial identity as a matter of genetic history rather than sociology and culture.

Trumble posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/6/AAe-HEAAEnuW.jpg

LOL, a chupacabra would better match the cultural "theme" of the thread...

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Antifar posted...

I think it's a mistake to treat racial identity as a matter of genetic history rather than sociology and culture.

That's why the person several posts up made it a point to draw a distinction between race and ethnicity. Once you look up the difference between the two terms on Yahoo or Google, you'll realize "racial identity" might as well be an oxymoron. It would be like 5'6 people identifying spiritually as 6' because of how they feel internally.

Basically, race is genetic. "Ethnicity" is the word that covers what you're referring to.

Investigate it anyway, judge has no authority.

PAGamerG posted...

Basically, race is genetic

This is not true. There are a lot of things that you should read on this subject, here are a couple I came across in a brief search that might make for a good starting point:
https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/history/2019/02/race-and-ethnicity-explained#
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/
https://www.sapiens.org/biology/is-race-real/

RuneterranSnap posted...

Investigate it anyway, judge has no authority.

Now I get it.

TonyKojima alt? April 2023 pulling his exact gimmick? Even using some the very same terminology (no authority)?

Dark_Arbron posted...

Now I get it.

TonyKojima alt? Brand new account pulling his exact gimmick.

I'm not anyone's alt and if you don't recognize my name you just haven't been around long enough.

Antifar posted...

This is not true. There are a lot of things that you should read on this subject, here are a couple I came across in a brief search that might make for a good starting point:
https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/history/2019/02/race-and-ethnicity-explained#
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/
https://www.sapiens.org/biology/is-race-real/

The first two paragraphs of your first link entirely backed my notion. Should I read on in hopes that maybe it will contradict itself later? Because that's the only way my previous statements can be contrasted.

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RuneterranSnap posted...

I'm not anyone's alt and if you don't recognize my name you just haven't been around long enough.

Even if you were someone's alt, how would that challenge your point any, one wonders?

alfred_ashford posted...

Lmfao the mental gymnastics jist to blame white people. That is blowing my mind for sure. Not everything is racial.

Sure, just ignore demonstrable reality then and stay uninformed

PAGamerG posted...

I wouldn't mind having a peek at any evidence or examples of Hispanic white supremacists in the country.

You need to start paying attention

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/journalist-says-la-gangs-consist-222503193.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/05/hispanic-american-racism-white-supremacy/674081/

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-rise-of-latino-white-supremacy

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/why-white-supremacist-groups-attract-latinos-their-ranks

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes