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Giant_Aspirin posted...

so you admit that the guns, and the easy access to them, are the problem

People are the problem.

Do you see how upset that a lot of users are getting at me for just having a conversation? I'm not threatening anybody, I have no ill will, nothing nefarious. I'm challenging you to think differently once in a while, and for some people that's all it takes.

Smile, be courteous. Talk to each other. Listen to each other. Make an attempt to challenge yourself and strive to learn something new everyday. It's a simple choice.

BGleason22 posted...

People are the problem.

Do you see how upset that a lot of users are getting at me for just having a conversation? I'm not threatening anybody, I have no ill will, nothing nefarious. I'm challenging you to think differently once in a while, and for some people that's all it takes.

Smile, be courteous. Talk to each other. Listen to each other. Make an attempt to challenge yourself and strive to learn something new everyday. It's a simple choice.

I'm not mad at you personally. I still think your premise is nonsensical. Me asking for your question to be cogent is not an unreasonable request. When you cry about deflecting because you can't back your own question up that is emotional and grounds for you to fuck all the way off my friend.

ai123 posted...

I do not accept that guns are the guarantor nor the magical totem of freedom. I reject the notion that you are more 'free' with a gun.

I do realise that such beliefs are deeply ingrained in American culture, and I have no realistic hope that that will change any time soon.

But for a politician to worsen the situation by relaxing gun laws is despicable and makes them culpable in the deaths that result.

For me this isn't about guns at all. I've personally never had a need to own a firearm. I've said this multiple times.

It's about needing a government to tell you what you can or cannot do.

That's what I believe makes the Constitution one of the greatest documents ever created.

BGleason22 posted...

This may come as a shock, but millions of Americans lawfully open carry across the nation every single day.

The problem is right here in your own words, though I doubt youll ever see it that way.

If you introduced millions of rattlesnakes into your community for protection how many innocent lives would have to die from rattlesnake bites before you realize theyre doing the exact opposite?

Carljank posted...

I'm not mad at you personally. I still think your premise is nonsensical. Me asking for your question to be cogent is not an unreasonable request. When you cry about deflecting because you can't back your own question up that is emotional and grounds for you to fuck all the way off my friend.

With all due respect, you've proven to me time and time again that you are not interested in having any kind of conversation.

BGleason22 posted...

People are the problem.

Do you see how upset that a lot of users are getting at me for just having a conversation? I'm not threatening anybody, I have no ill will, nothing nefarious. I'm challenging you to think differently once in a while, and for some people that's all it takes.

Smile, be courteous. Talk to each other. Listen to each other. Make an attempt to challenge yourself and strive to learn something new everyday. It's a simple choice.

1.) Guns are the problem. The US is the only developed country with as lax gun laws as we have, and several millions more die every year than every other country with comparable standards of living and population per capita.

2.) "Just think differently" implies that the way we think now is wrong. And it isn't. Guns are the problem. You can't claim to docile and not nefarious when the scenario you're arguing for has proven time and time and time again that it leads to the deaths of innocent people. It's nefarious, regardless of intention.

3.) I will be courteous to people that earn it, and gun nuts are not those people.

Hope this helps.

BGleason22 posted...

With all due respect, you've proven to me time and time again that you are not interested in having any kind of conversation.

Well no I don't tend to waste my time with people such as yourself who purposefully argue in bad faith. So you are correct that conversations with YOU in particular as well as your ilk is not appealing to me in any way.

Carljank posted...

Well no I don't tend to waste my time with people such as yourself who purposefully argue in bad faith. So you are correct that conversations with YOU in particular as well as your ilk is not appealing to me in any way.

Yet you keep making attempts.

The problem is people that shouldnt own firearms.
It exist three solutions.
1. Help people before they see using a firearm as the best solution in cases where it is not.
2. Prevent this kind of people getting access to firearms.
3. A combination of both.

1 wont happen because it is socialism, which America has been brainwashed into believing is equal to Communism and you are rather dead than red.
2 wont happen because MAH FREEDOOOOMMM!!!
3 wont happen because above.

BGleason22 posted...

Yet you keep making attempts.

Oh don't worry. I don't need to have a real good faith conversation with you to shit on your inane bad faith beliefs and premises. I fully intend on continuing to shit on them too.

BGleason22 posted...

People are the problem.

which is why we have laws. again, this is not the grand slam argument winner you seem to think it is.

BGleason22 posted...

Yet you keep making attempts.

And yet you're moving goalposts and gaslighting. The flood of guns to irresponsible hands, IS the problem. Go ahead, tell me. Is what they did how a well-regulated militia would act?

Carljank posted...

Well no I don't tend to waste my time with people such as yourself who purposefully argue in bad faith. So you are correct that conversations with YOU in particular as well as your ilk is not appealing to me in any way.

The irony of you saying someone argues in bad faith is hilarious. You spend more time insulting than ever bringing up good points. If you disagree then please prove me wrong and attempt to make your point without doing so. I highly doubt you can.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

which is why we have laws. again, this is not the grand slam argument winner you seem to think it is.

Neither is this. Its against the law to shoot someone yet here we are. Laws wont change the fact that 465 million guns have been produced for the US since 1900.40% of people own or live in a house with access to a gun.

Im all for making it harder but it is delusional thinking to believe these people will ever give their guns up. It wont happen. The only option is to make it harder to obtain but even then there will be a black market.

So which side wad the good guys with guns trying to stop the situation?
That's how they say this should all work.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

which is why we have laws. again, this is not the grand slam argument winner you seem to think it is.

Laws based on what is laid out by the Constitution.

The Bill of Rights are not laws, they are stated as god given rights at birth that no government shall make a law depriving you of.

Here is the bare bones for me:
The First amendment is so important, that the second amendment was written to insure the 1st. I would love if some of you would put some thought into that statement.

BGleason22 posted...

With all due respect, you've proven to me time and time again that you are not interested in having any kind of conversation.

Lol and the clown honks his nose

MrDrMan posted...

Im all for making it harder but it is delusional thinking to believe these people will ever give their guns up. It wont happen. The only option is to make it harder to obtain but even then there will be a black market.

but the laws that allow people to carry in public contribute to dumb bullshit like this. throwing up your hands and declaring "it's too late, there's nothing we can do" is so intellectually lazy.

"it was illegal anyway and people still did it" -- I can't believe people still toss this around with any sincerity. yeah man, I guess you're right. since some people break laws anyway we should just do away with them entirely! *rolls eyes*

Dude, there is no such thing as freedom. The state already tells you what you can and can not do.

Sandalorn posted...

his ONLY concern is protecting Republican politicians. Some things really show you who a person is.

No different than the people using this story to bring up awful stereotypes that have nothing to do with it.

GranolaPanic posted...

God doesnt exist and guns dont exist because of some fictional deity. Theres already laws preventing certain people from owning guns. Is that a violation of their God given rights?

Can you admit theres a problem with gun culture in this country at the very least?

Those are the words that were written. A reasonable person would interpret that to say you were born with those rights, nobody had to grant them upon you.

There is absolutely a cultural problem in this country of abuse of nearly everything, guns included.

Did you think about what I said in the relationship between the 1st and 2nd amendment?

Do you think the people that wrote that amazing document decided to just slap that 2nd most important right in there because they just loved them some guns? Or, do you think they knew, that in order to insure the 1st amendment - The right to free speech, the freedom of the press, the right to assemble, the freedom of religion and the right to redress your grievances against the government was so insanely important that they had to write the 2nd amendment to protect the rights of the 1st?

Knowing that is my stance, hopefully you'll have a better understanding of why the 2nd is important to me despite how I've stated I personally don't feel a need to own a firearm.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

but the laws that allow people to carry in public contribute to dumb bullshit like this. throwing up your hands and declaring "it's too late, there's nothing we can do" is so intellectually lazy.

"it was illegal anyway and people still did it" -- I can't believe people still toss this around with any sincerity. yeah man, I guess you're right. since some people break laws anyway we should just do away with them entirely! *rolls eyes*

Intellectually lazy is thinking that a simple law change is going to stop people from just carrying concealed. You did not at all address the fact that I said people estimate anywhere from 300-450 million guns to be in circulation in the US. How does your allow address that in any way? These guns are already out there.

We couldnt even get half the country to wear masks. The solution has to be based in reality.

MrDrMan posted...

The irony of you saying someone argues in bad faith is hilarious. You spend more time insulting than ever bringing up good points. If you disagree then please prove me wrong and attempt to make your point without doing so. I highly doubt you can.

You are one of his ilk I was referring earlier.

If they only had a pitbull it could have prevented this by eating them all before they ever argued......

MrDrMan posted...

Intellectually lazy is thinking that a simple law change is going to stop people from just carrying concealed. You did not at all address the fact that I said people estimate anywhere from 300-450 million guns to be in circulation in the US. How does your allow address that in any way? These guns are already out there.

none of us expect America's gun culture to change overnight with the passage of a law or two. this is a change we need to gradually implement over multiple generations. and doing things like relaxing gun restrictions and making it easier or more convenient to access them is the wrong direction.

GranolaPanic posted...

God doesnt exist and guns dont exist because of some fictional deity. Theres already laws preventing certain people from owning guns. Is that a violation of their God given rights?

Can you admit theres a problem with gun culture in this country at the very least?

GOD GIVEN RIGHT

This has always been one of the most cynical views of "GOD". Because God of all entities is super worried that as many humans as possible own a weapon of death. Their version of God more closely resembles Satan.

I literally sit in stunned amazement when that phrase is used.

BGleason22 posted...

Laws based on what is laid out by the Constitution.

The Bill of Rights are not laws, they are stated as god given rights at birth that no government shall make a law depriving you of.

Here is the bare bones for me:
The First amendment is so important, that the second amendment was written to insure the 1st. I would love if some of you would put some thought into that statement.

Guns did not exist when God created humanity, so how can they be a God given right?

Reminder that MrDrMan was moderated for bigotry recently when he cries about my behavior.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

none of us expect America's gun culture to change overnight with the passage of a law or two. this is a change we need to gradually implement over multiple generations. and doing things like relaxing gun restrictions and making it easier or more convenient to access them is the wrong direction.

Yeah I don't see MrDrLad being a proponent of granular change. It would be too difficult, since, you know, there's already too many guns

Sad. And it seems like it's another one of those stories that will never get solved, any time in the news you hear the police ask "we're asking for any witnesses to come forward" it's because they have no leads and none of the perps or their friends are going to ever come forward

MrDrMan posted...

Intellectually lazy is thinking that a simple law change is going to stop people from just carrying concealed. You did not at all address the fact that I said people estimate anywhere from 300-450 million guns to be in circulation in the US. How does your allow address that in any way? These guns are already out there.

We couldnt even get half the country to wear masks. The solution has to be based in reality.

the reality is that unless something is actually done now there will ALWAYS be too many guns to do anything

BG's one of those guys who hated COVID restrictions because his own personal right to walk around uninhibited overrides other people's rights to life.

He must really hate that we can't go buy flamethrowers or tanks or shit.

KajeI posted...

He must really hate that we can't go buy flamethrowers or tanks or shit.

It's our God given right!!

KajeI posted...

BG's one of those guys who hated COVID restrictions because his own personal right to walk around uninhibited overrides other people's rights to life.

He must really hate that we can't go buy flamethrowers or tanks or shit.

Or rocket launchers, or grenades, or nuclear weapons, or satellite space lazers.

Sandalorn posted...

It's our God given right!!

It's almost as if 2A was drafted while the most common arms were muskets! Clearly the whole thing gives us carte blanche to own whatever weapons we want? Why stop at just guns! Surely an RPG would make me, someone who's not a member of a "well-regulated militia" feel more safe.

Carljank posted...

Reminder that MrDrMan was moderated for bigotry recently when he cries about my behavior.

Here you go again lying/name calling because you cant make an argument.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

none of us expect America's gun culture to change overnight with the passage of a law or two. this is a change we need to gradually implement over multiple generations. and doing things like relaxing gun restrictions and making it easier or more convenient to access them is the wrong direction.

thronedfire2 posted...

the reality is that unless something is actually done now there will ALWAYS be too many guns to do anything

Ive already agreed limiting access to guns is needed. I just dont think changing the law is anywhere near enough to stop this issue. People dont care about the law unless they think theyll get caught.

Cemith posted...

Yeah I don't see MrDrLad being a proponent of granular change. It would be too difficult, since, you know, there's already too many guns

Sorry your proposition of Hey at least you wont get shot 50 years from now. doesnt really move the needle for me.

Youre proposing a solution that you admit does nothing to solve the issue right now while acting like everyone should care right now. Its nonsensical. And while doing it being condescending as if you did something. This is no better than thoughts and prayers. Propose something that will actually fix the issue or get off your high horse.

MrDrMan posted...

Sorry your proposition of Hey at least you wont get shot 50 years from now. doesnt really move the needle for me.

Youre proposing a solution that you admit does nothing to solve the issue right now while acting like everyone should care right now. Its nonsensical. And while doing it being condescending as if you did something. This is no better than thoughts and prayers. Propose something that will actually fix the issue or get off your high horse.

"The solution isn't perfect so why bother."

I love self centered and short sighted people.

CE would be better if MrDrMan was banned from it.

MrDrMan posted...

Sorry your proposition of Hey at least you wont get shot 50 years from now. doesnt really move the needle for me.

Youre proposing a solution that you admit does nothing to solve the issue right now while acting like everyone should care right now. Its nonsensical. And while doing it being condescending as if you did something. This is no better than thoughts and prayers. Propose something that will actually fix the issue or get off your high horse.

It doesn't surprise me that it doesn't. You don't really give a shit about gun violence right now, as evidenced by your lazy viewpoint. Stands to reason you wouldn't give a shit about people dying 50 years from now either. This is the same bullshit the other guy said, you can't be fucked to try and anything because "it won't be enough".

I never admitted to "solving the issue right now", unless all guns magically disappear off the face of the planet, "right now" is a physical impossibility. But, do feel free to put words in my mouth, it only makes you look foolish. My stance is that doing anything at all as soon as possible is better than your solution, which as established, is jack shit. At least my way there's a chance of preventing further death.

Those "thoughts and prayers" people hold the same gross belief you do, which is that "we can't do anything about it so why bother?"

KajeI posted...

"The solution isn't perfect so why bother."

I love self centered and short sighted people.

Everything he has said is a shit-sandwich of "Nothing will work perfectly so lets not do anything". Such a deep, intellectual take from a super serious person. You could have a more worthwhile discussion with a lamppost.

We have actual statistical proof that the Assault Weapon Ban reduced shootings before it was removed but even stats don't matter to the gun nuts.

IT'S A GOD GIVEN RIGHT!!

/dismissive wank.

Sandalorn posted...

Everything he has said is a shit-sandwich of "Nothing will work perfectly so lets not do anything". Such a deep, intellectual take from a super serious person. You could have a more worthwhile discussion with a lamppost.

We have actual statistical proof that the Assault weapon ban reduced shootings before it was removed but even stats don't matter to the gun nuts.

IT'S A GOD GIVEN RIGHT!!

/dismissive wank.

Exactly, best to just tag and move on. Like I said;

Cemith posted...

Gun nuts are deeply unserious humans. This kid wouldn't be dead if those morons weren't allowed to conceal carry.

Guns are the problem, it's clear as day. Anyone that says otherwise drank the kool-aid.

GranolaPanic posted...

Ive seen a lot of people unironically argue that if the Foundation Fathers were around today that they would support the average citizen owning ICBMs, rocket launchers and Abrams tanks.

I mean, many of the founding fathers were also a bunch of slave owners who denied their own wives to vote in any democratic election despite throwing a temper tantrum because their taxes went up a little and they didnt have a say as to why.

We give them way too much credit because they were excellent wordsmiths, but the authors of the three fifths compromise really shouldnt be talked about as the paragons of civic virtue.

KajeI posted...

"The solution isn't perfect so why bother."

I love self centered and short sighted people.

His argument is more, "the solution doesn't solve the problem instantaneously, why bother"

arguing over jet skis being driven recklessly near where children were playing in the water

Jetskis are probably safer than guns.