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MARlO
07/03/23 4:23:05 PM
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Comic punisher seems like an absolute nutball. Also a lot of racist people seem to like him, which Im not wild about.

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Turbam
07/03/23 4:23:26 PM
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He's a hero to those that idolize him

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Euripides
07/03/23 4:23:40 PM
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To cops, he's THE hero

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EmilyTheCEman
07/03/23 4:25:44 PM
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MARlO posted...
Also a lot of racist people seem to like him, which Im not wild about.

He is who they view themselves as in their manifesto just before they shoot up a school.


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MARlO
07/03/23 4:26:08 PM
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Turbam posted...
He's a hero to those that idolize him
So was Hitler.

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YourBestFrenemy
07/03/23 4:28:35 PM
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Anti-hero.

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SSJ2GrimReaper
07/03/23 4:29:34 PM
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most racists fav marvel heroes are punisher/deadpool/cap


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CrimsonWaffle
07/03/23 4:30:50 PM
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YourBestFrenemy posted...
Anti-hero.
This

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Jagr_68
07/03/23 4:30:52 PM
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SSJ2GrimReaper posted...
most racists fav marvel heroes are punisher/deadpool/cap

What's the racist appeal to deadpool?

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TritochZERO
07/03/23 4:31:50 PM
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I thought the whole point of the Punisher is that he's explicitly not a hero
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FolkenRawr
07/03/23 4:32:34 PM
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TritochZERO posted...
I thought the whole point of the Punisher is that he's explicitly not a hero

It is.

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Prismsblade
07/03/23 4:36:31 PM
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Idk about racist liking him but no. And most other heroes while they generally don't impede on him or his mission will not work with nor tolerate his behavior.


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I4NRulez
07/03/23 4:40:13 PM
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I dont think he's considered a "hero" but he's never really treated as a bad guy.

Also cosmic ghost rider is still the best punisher

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SSJ2GrimReaper
07/03/23 4:43:19 PM
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Jagr_68 posted...
What's the racist appeal to deadpool?
the internet racist incels love deadpool and his sarcastic don't give a shit type of wit

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nocturnal_traveler
07/03/23 4:50:47 PM
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SSJ2GrimReaper posted...
the internet racist incels love deadpool and his sarcastic don't give a shit type of wit
I guess they don't realize he's pansexual, and would probably shoot them irl.

But on the Punisher topic, Frank hates crooked cops.

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Sheiky-Baby
07/03/23 4:51:32 PM
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He's basically reverse Batman in his philosophy.

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hmnut7
07/03/23 5:00:25 PM
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Euripides posted...
To cops, he's THE hero
Which is both true, and makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!

First the existence of the Punisher at minimum is an admission of the existence of police departments either too corrupt or too incompetent to do their jobs.

Second the Punisher kills criminals without any level of Due Process or Civil Rights... and I know this gets lost in the sauce, but being a Police Officer is suppose to be about upholding the law, including the rights of criminals.

The fact that Police Officers view the Punisher as their hero is baffling to me. It would be like if Firefighters overwhelming viewed the Human Torch as their icon.

To answer the question, the Punisher is the quintessential "anti-hero"

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BB_mofo
07/03/23 5:02:41 PM
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He was introduced as a Spider-man villain.

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Beveren_Rabbit
07/03/23 5:05:25 PM
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so we're not allowed to like characters like Punisher without being labeled as racist or edgy? So why is it okay for you to listen to True Crime podcasts while you drive to work, but you shame anyone who just likes the writing of Punisher comics? especially Born?

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SaikyoStyle
07/03/23 5:08:28 PM
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Mostly because of your behavior and general demeanor.

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TheSavageDragon
07/03/23 5:09:31 PM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
so we're not allowed to like characters like Punisher without being labeled as racist or edgy? So why is it okay for you to listen to True Crime podcasts while you drive to work, but you shame anyone who just likes the writing of Punisher comics? especially Born?

I haven't seen a single person in this topic say this. There's liking the character for the entire package, flaws and all and wanting to emulate him/thinking he does the right thing. It's the difference between "Joker is a good villain for Batman" and "OMG Joker is just sooooo cool".
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Irony
07/03/23 5:10:04 PM
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He's a bad guy that goes after slightly worse bad guys

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Beveren_Rabbit
07/03/23 5:13:22 PM
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okay, so what are the other problematic Marvel hero comics we aren't allowed to enjoy without being labeled a racist? Cable? Cyberforce? Preacher? am I allowed to read comics about a female lead like Electra or does that make me a sexist horn dog that wants to be dominated by a woman? for example if a gang of muscular woman tied me to chair and threatened to kill me via crushing my head inbetween their thighs if I didn't give them info on my boss I would choose death instead of snitching.

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TheSavageDragon
07/03/23 5:14:48 PM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
okay, so what are the other problematic Marvel hero comics we aren't allowed to enjoy without being labeled a racist? Cable? Cyberforce? Preacher? am I allowed to read comics about a female lead like Electra or does that make me a sexist horn dog that wants to be dominated by a woman? for example if a gang of muscular woman tied me to chair and threatened to kill me via crushing my head inbetween their thighs if I didn't give them info on my boss I would choose death instead of snitching.

Wow...that's like "I have issues" The Post.
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SSJ2GrimReaper
07/03/23 5:15:21 PM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
okay, so what are the other problematic Marvel hero comics we aren't allowed to enjoy without being labeled a racist? Cable? Cyberforce? Preacher? am I allowed to read comics about a female lead like Electra or does that make me a sexist horn dog that wants to be dominated by a woman? for example if a gang of muscular woman tied me to chair and threatened to kill me via crushing my head inbetween their thighs if I didn't give them info on my boss I would choose death instead of snitching.
#marvelmelty

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Relient_K
07/03/23 5:16:19 PM
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Punisher is awesome. But he is not someone to idolize in any way. I enjoy the handful of his stories I've read.

I don't think there is a problem within fantasy to enjoy his brand of justice. He would be appalling in real life. I wouldn't want someone like him loose in the world being judge jury and executioner.

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Beveren_Rabbit
07/03/23 5:16:32 PM
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it's just fiction guys. when it gets to the point of idolizing these characters and wanting to be like them in real life is when it cums into a tissue.

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GuerrillaSoldier
07/03/23 5:16:46 PM
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he's got a badass iconic logo. that's what makes him worthwhile. no one cares about the character. he's just being seen because someone's using the logo for other purposes.

like if some terrorist organization started using the superman symbol, we'd eventually start to villainize it.

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TheSavageDragon
07/03/23 5:17:22 PM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
it's just fiction guys. when it gets to the point of idolizing these characters and wanting to be like them in real life is when it cums into a tissue.

If you understand this, then wtf are you losing your shit over?
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Beveren_Rabbit
07/03/23 5:18:00 PM
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because you guys are labeling Punisher fans as racist.

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TheSavageDragon
07/03/23 5:20:10 PM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
because you guys are labeling Punisher fans as racist.

The statement made is Punisher appears to have a lot of racist fans. Nobody said they are racist in general or that he is a character that inherently attracts racists. You feeling called out and going on this weird rant is entirely a you thing.
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specialkid8
07/03/23 5:21:38 PM
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He's pretty explicitly a hero even if himself and others don't view him as such. Writers usually try to write him as a foil for traditional heroes but damn near everyone except Spider-Man has a bodycount to rival his, and with significantly more collateral damage. Never made any sense that people viewed him as, at best, a necessary evil. Especially with hyper-murderers like Wolverine and Deadpool being well liked.

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kuwab0
07/03/23 5:22:37 PM
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He kills scumbags so yes?

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RuneterranSnap
07/03/23 5:24:46 PM
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Anti-Hero. He's capable of following rules and does his best to save innocent people, he just disagrees on how the guilty should be treated.

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SpawnShadow
07/03/23 5:30:25 PM
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No, and even Frank himself will tell you so. This is especially the case when he's under Garth Ennis's pen, as he's all but confirmed to have become addicted to killing from the war (the Vietnam War specifically in the alternate universe series Punisher MAX as well as earlier canon material, but currently retconned to a completely fictional war in 616, because Marvel's sliding timescale made keeping him a 'Nam vet or even bumping him up to Iraq or something improbable), and is only really using the deaths of his family as an excuse to do it.
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GetMagnaCarter
07/03/23 5:32:06 PM
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He lives outside of both the law and conventional morality so he's not a hero

But he does follow his own code - targeting mobsters and murderers while trying to protect the innocent
so he's an anti-hero

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Donomark
07/03/23 5:33:10 PM
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Is the Punisher a hero? Well, yes, he's done heroic things. I think what you're really asking is "Is the Punisher a good guy?"

The answer is no.

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loafy013
07/03/23 5:38:10 PM
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SSJ2GrimReaper posted...
the internet racist incels love deadpool and his sarcastic don't give a shit type of wit
I still remember original Deadpool. Cable was training X-Force, and his advice for if Deadpool is after you? Offer him more money than the current contract he has on you. Long before he was the goofy anit-hero they turned him into.

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David1988
07/03/23 5:39:42 PM
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Hes a Punisher, not a Hero.

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bobaban
07/03/23 5:41:10 PM
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Yes, his power set is killing with typical weapons and peak human physique. Hes like John Wick but less flashy and more shooty/explosions
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Foppe
07/03/23 5:41:41 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
I dont think he's considered a "hero" but he's never really treated as a bad guy.

Also cosmic ghost rider is still the best punisher

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/4/AAE9hUAAEoBY.jpg
Im not dissing him, but he seriously feels like an "OC DO NOT COPY!!!" character.
So yeah, Thanos decides to travel the universe and kill everybody. He comes to Earth and kills everybody. The Punisher is one of the last standing persons, totally outliving every Marvel hero, when he is suddenly killed. Since he has killed so many, he is sent to hell. All he wants is to return to Earth and punish Thanos, so he sells his soul to Mephisto so he can return as the Ghost Rider.
But he is too late, Thanos have already left!
He drives around all alone, nobody to punish. Even Mephisto gets tired of him and stops talking to him. He starts to get crazy...
Then goddamn Galactus appears, wounded after a battle with Thanos. He needs the help of Earths heroes to stop Thanos, but he is too late.
Punisher offers Earth in exchange for becoming Galactus herald, so he can punish Thanos. Galactus accepts and Punisher gets another power boost!
Together they travel the universe, stopping Thanos forces for centuries and becomes legends.
One day, Thanos have had enough and decides to crush the hope of the universe and kills Galactus. He offers the Punisher to become his right hand and help him punish the rest of the universe.
He accepts, waiting for the right time to punish Thanos...

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GetMagnaCarter
07/03/23 5:46:11 PM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
because you guys are labeling Punisher fans as racist.
no-one on this thread said that ONLY racists liked Punisher

Think for a moment
The Punisher does not believe in due process, does not protect the rights of criminals - he just kills them
This appeals to a lot of right-wingers
A significant proportion of the extreme right are racist
so, (given that he is white) it is not surprising that some racist right wingers like him and fantasize about killing non-white criminals.
But, there is nothing about the character that is racist
so it is quite possible to like him as a character without being right wing or racist

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Foppe
07/03/23 5:47:10 PM
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loafy013 posted...
I still remember original Deadpool. Cable was training X-Force, and his advice for if Deadpool is after you? Offer him more money than the current contract he has on you. Long before he was the goofy anit-hero they turned him into.
Back then, Deadpool was just a Marvel carbon copy of Deathstroke.

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Funkydog
07/03/23 5:50:24 PM
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It is kinda hilarious that the people he'd despise or just straight up kill idolise him so much.

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I4NRulez
07/03/23 5:50:48 PM
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Foppe posted...
Im not dissing him, but he seriously feels like an "OC DO NOT COPY!!!" character.
So yeah, Thanos decides to travel the universe and kill everybody. He comes to Earth and kills everybody. The Punisher is one of the last standing persons, totally outliving every Marvel hero, when he is suddenly killed. Since he has killed so many, he is sent to hell. All he wants is to return to Earth and punish Thanos, so he sells his soul to Mephisto so he can return as the Ghost Rider.
But he is too late, Thanos have already left!
He drives around all alone, nobody to punish. Even Mephisto gets tired of him and stops talking to him. He starts to get crazy...
Then goddamn Galactus appears, wounded after a battle with Thanos. He needs the help of Earths heroes to stop Thanos, but he is too late.
Punisher offers Earth in exchange for becoming Galactus herald, so he can punish Thanos. Galactus accepts and Punisher gets another power boost!
Together they travel the universe, stopping Thanos forces for centuries and becomes legends.
One day, Thanos have had enough and decides to crush the hope of the universe and kills Galactus. He offers the Punisher to become his right hand and help him punish the rest of the universe.
He accepts, waiting for the right time to punish Thanos...

I mean its just a variant of Punisher. I personally dont really like the punisher that much outside of the show but i always thought cosmic ghost rider was dumb fun

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Donomark
07/03/23 5:51:32 PM
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Foppe posted...
Back then, Deadpool was just a Marvel carbon copy of Deathstroke.
Yup. That's where the name Wade Wilson came from: Deathstroke's alias, Slade Wilson.

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luigi33
07/03/23 5:52:17 PM
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Weird that these corrupt ass cops love Punisher. If he existed in real life they would be his first targets.

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Foppe
07/03/23 5:52:25 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
I mean its just a variant of Punisher. I personally dont really like the punisher that much outside of the show but i always thought cosmic ghost rider was dumb fun
Dumb fun is great.

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loafy013
07/03/23 5:53:29 PM
#49:


Foppe posted...
Back then, Deadpool was just a Marvel carbon copy of Deathstroke.
Deathstroke with belts. Because, you know, Liefeld.

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Foppe
07/03/23 5:53:48 PM
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loafy013 posted...
Deathstroke with belts. Because, you know, Liefeld.
And no feet.

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