Current Events > 'The Flash' Collapses by 73%

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https://variety.com/2023/film/news/jennifer-lawrence-no-hard-feelings-box-office-opening-the-flash-crashes-1235653983/

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You mean a movie about a hero comparatively few people care about, played by an actor nobody likes, with a story about how none of the movies in the series matter anymore, as the climax of a series of mid-to-bad movies, sandwiched between Spiderman and fucking Indiana Jones, failed to be successful?

Gasp.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

You mean a movie about a hero comparatively few people care about, played by an actor nobody likes, with a story about how none of the movies in the series matter anymore, as the climax of a series of mid-to-bad movies, sandwiched between Spiderman and fucking Indiana Jones, failed to be successful?

Gasp.

I think a lot of people care about The Flash, if at least because of the Justice League cartoon and the 9 seasons of the show on CW has gained him a following among the mainstream.

Agreed on all other points though.

The movie was the the embodiment of self sabotage. Ofc it flopped.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

You mean a movie about a hero comparatively few people care about, played by an actor nobody likes, with a story about how none of the movies in the series matter anymore, as the climax of a series of mid-to-bad movies, sandwiched between Spiderman and fucking Indiana Jones, failed to be successful?

Gasp.

People do care about Flash, and it also has Keaton Batman and Supergirl.

It's also not the climax and nothing in the movie made it so none of the past stuff mattered.

DC movies sre pretty much dead at this point.

Weird, I somehow still remember Erza Miller's crimes. Wasn't I supposed to forget about them and go see the movie?

Did Warner Bros even try promoting this? I didnt see Ezra Miller do any interviews. I have seen Jennifer Lawrence do hot ones and other stuff to promote her movie.

BlueTigerLion posted...

Did Warner Bros even try promoting this? I didnt see Ezra Miller do any interviews. I have seen Jennifer Lawrence do hot ones and other stuff to promote her movie.

Ezra Miller not doing interviews was the right move from a marketing perspective.

...so, what movie is actually doing well this summer?
I guess the spiderman?
Seems like everything else has underperformed.

The movie was great

Requiem posted...

...so, what movie is actually doing well this summer?
I guess the spiderman?
Seems like everything else has underperformed.

Guardians 3 did well if it counts as summer

Otherwise yeah underperformances

Im surprised at how bad flash is doing.

It was a decent movie but I can see why people werent interested

DarkBuster22904 posted...

You mean a movie about a hero comparatively few people care about, played by an actor nobody likes, with a story about how none of the movies in the series matter anymore, as the climax of a series of mid-to-bad movies, sandwiched between Spiderman and fucking Indiana Jones, failed to be successful?

Gasp.

I mean hot damn, post of the year?

marthsheretoo posted...

Ezra Miller not doing interviews was the right move from a marketing perspective.

Ezra Miller not getting work is the better move from a marketing perspective. Who the hell keeps casting them?

K181 posted...

You mean a movie about a hero comparatively few people care about

Ok, but hear me out.

Aquaman. Remember him?
The movie did pretty well, and no one cared about the fishstick guy until the movies came out.

Now, Flash.
Everyone knows him, he has a pretty likeable "everyday" attitude/vibe that the audience can identify with... and he can be used as a plot device to bring together superheroes from different universes/time lines. Multiple batmans. Superman. Supergirl. etc etc

There's no way it's going to fail.

So is Ezra done as Flash?

Evol posted...

So is Ezra done as Flash?

If those at wb have any brain cells, than yes

DarkBuster22904 posted...

You mean a movie about a hero comparatively few people care about, played by an actor nobody likes, with a story about how none of the movies in the series matter anymore, as the climax of a series of mid-to-bad movies, sandwiched between Spiderman and fucking Indiana Jones, failed to be successful?

Gasp.

In fairness, the Flash is a fucking gangster in the comics. Grant Gustin is a good actor but his flash is so bitch compared to Allen in the comics.

Cemith posted...

In fairness, the Flash is a fucking gangster in the comics. Grant Gustin is a good actor but his flash is so bitch compared to Allen in the comics.

Flash coming into movies had more popularity than the following characters coming into movies:

Thor, ant man, guardians, shang chi, eternals, black adam, black widow

All of those movies made much more

Blue_Popo posted...

Flash coming into movies had more popularity than the following characters coming into movies:

Thor, ant man, guardians, shang chi, eternals, black adam, black widow

All of those movies made much more

No I get that, I just mean more people should care about comics Flash. I say that as someone that actually loved Ant Man 1 and Shang Chi.

Blue_Popo posted...

Flash coming into movies had more popularity than the following characters coming into movies:

Thor, ant man, guardians, shang chi, eternals, black adam, black widow

All of those movies made much more

Dont forget that he has ****ing muti seasoned tv series . Ezra Miller killed this movie.

Miller probably is finished at least with WB, but he is the one that ruined this...

WB tried to get viewers with Michael Keaton but it was too little to late...

Really though WB will take the hit but they dont care, heck the reason they went ahead with it this, Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 is because they had to...

The DCEU is dead, the best they can hope for if for BB to be a surprise hit and Aquaman 2 does strong finacially to at least close on a positive note...

I know the Keaton stuff was probably done before Spider-Man. But it's yet another example of WB not getting it.

Shoving Tobey Maguire Spidey into a random Scarlet Witch movie wouldn't have had a big impact either.

If they wanted to capitalise on Batman nostalgia it needed to be in a Batman movie. People would have shown up for The Dark Knight Returns starring Keaton.

Yes I know Flashpoint exists. That doesn't mean this was a good method to make money.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I know the Keaton stuff was probably done before Spider-Man. But it's yet another example of WB not getting it.

Maybe, but I'm willing to bet that the digital necromancy at the end were some added/altered scenes because they saw how people liked Tobey, Garfield, Dafoe, and Molina in No Way Home.

I think even Batgirl with a big focus on Keaton could have done better than this.

But they fucked that one up so bad we'll never even see it.

Did they ever release that movie, at least stream / straight to dvd?

Branding a movie as part of the DCEU is actively sabotage at this point. It's tainted. People won't watch it.

I thought the first trailer with Keaton looked awesome. Then after the movie came out, I just lost all interest in it.

Zanzenburger posted...

I think a lot of people care about The Flash, if at least because of the Justice League cartoon and the 9 seasons of the show on CW has gained him a following among the mainstream.

Agreed on all other points though.

The cartoon version was Wally West, not Barry Allen.

The movie was pretty good. Shame its not doing too well. I have a feeling itll do pretty well via streaming services.

That's a shame. The Flash is one of the best movies of 2023.

They shoudl have had Keaton as Thomas Wayne, its was kinda lame that he jsut met a different Bruce Wayne.

Can we, like, get away from cinematic universes? The MCU is the single worst thing to happen to modern movies, because now everything has to be a fucking superhero blockbuster that makes millions of dollars.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

You mean a movie about a hero comparatively few people care about, played by an actor nobody likes, with a story about how none of the movies in the series matter anymore, as the climax of a series of mid-to-bad movies, sandwiched between Spiderman and fucking Indiana Jones, failed to be successful?

Gasp.

Well that's just straight-up wrong.

Alucard188 posted...

Can we, like, get away from cinematic universes? The MCU is the single worst thing to happen to modern movies, because now everything has to be a fucking superhero blockbuster that makes millions of dollars.

The funny thing is in the early MCU days the movies worked fine on their own. The potential cinematic universe was for people who were hardcore enough to follow it online and know about the post-credits scenes. It wasn't even really needed as that initial pitch.

A lot of the companies since then don't really seem to get that. Like make a few good movies and if people like those protagonists they'll get excited about a crossover. I don't know why they make it so complicated.

Cemith posted...

In fairness, the Flash is a fucking gangster in the comics. Grant Gustin is a good actor but his flash is so bitch compared to Allen in the comics.

The CW flash is pretty much played out. They went through all of his villians and major storylines. The show went out with a whimper not a bang.

The best course of action is to reboot everything with the exception of a few characters that actually worked. Plan it out, dont cast criminals. Get people that enjoy the material and want to stay. That was one of the good things Marvel did. 80% of the main actors stayed till endgame

Punished_Blinx posted...

The funny thing is in the early MCU days the movies worked fine on their own. The potential cinematic universe was for people who were hardcore enough to follow it online and know about the post-credits scenes. It wasn't even really needed as that initial pitch.

A lot of the companies since then don't really seem to get that. Like make a few good movies and if people like those protagonists they'll get excited about a crossover. I don't know why they make it so complicated.

Yeah, what made the MCU work is it was organic, and had to build up to being what it is now

Unfortunately, other studios won't take the patience route and try to make every film into part of some grand scheme

It'll be interesting to see how the Nintendo movies play out with SMB being a runaway success...

Personally, I think not even Gunn will be able to save DC. Marvel basically already did everything you wanted from superhero movies, and it's time for a giant break.

If DC doesn't take at least 5 years off, I expect the same performance. Doesn't seem like it since Superman comes out 2025.

Otherwise, I think this was a pretty good movie. It was a fun little adventure.

BlueTigerLion posted...

Did Warner Bros even try promoting this? I didnt see Ezra Miller do any interviews. I have seen Jennifer Lawrence do hot ones and other stuff to promote her movie.

The late night talk shows are on hiatus due to the writers' strike, thus media tours to promote movies are severely hampered.

Requiem posted...

Did they ever release that movie, at least stream / straight to dvd?

Zaslav wrote it off as a tax write off, meaning the movie will never see the light of day.

HornyLevel posted...

Personally, I think not even Gunn will be able to save DC. Marvel basically already did everything you wanted from superhero movies, and it's time for a giant break.

If DC doesn't take at least 5 years off, I expect the same performance. Doesn't seem like it since Superman comes out 2025.

Otherwise, I think this was a pretty good movie. It was a fun little adventure.

You gotta do everything with two things

1. quality. Quality matters. Iron man succeeded not because of iron man, but because it was great
2. Batman or Superman. The Batman did great at the box office, and they cant go JUST on quality anymore because of how many superhero movies are out now. They gotta go with Batman or Superman to start it all.

It's ok, I'm sure Blue Beetle will fix DCs problems. Lol

I heard rumors of Keaton doing Batman Beyond, but DC's recent failures may make them reconsider.

New dc off to a rocky start too

The director from flash and new indiana jones are directing movies for new dc but flash is a flop and indy is heading for flop (based on presales)

we did it reddit

Punished_Blinx posted...

I think even Batgirl with a big focus on Keaton could have done better than this.

But they fucked that one up so bad we'll never even see it.

We have no idea how Batgirl was, and we may never know. Maybe it's terrible, maybe it's a misunderstood masterpiece.

BUT, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it turned out that the movie is actually good, but Warner execs decided to throw it in the trash because they were afraid no one would want to see a superhero movie about a girl.

The people in charge of DC movies are that dumb.

vycebrand2 posted...

The CW flash is pretty much played out. They went through all of his villians and major storylines. The show went out with a whimper not a bang.

The best course of action is to reboot everything with the exception of a few characters that actually worked. Plan it out, dont cast criminals. Get people that enjoy the material and want to stay. That was one of the good things Marvel did. 80% of the main actors stayed till endgame

Don't fire actors who did the same exact thing James Gunn did then hire James Gunn.

The question now is how much of the brand's box office poison will carry over to the DC reboot. Gunn's got an uphill battle to fight.

Especially considering how many continuities are releasing simultaneously: Aquaman 2 is still happening so this DCEU continuity isn't over yet. Reeves' The Batman 2, the Joker sequel and Gunn's reboot all releasing within the next 2 years. Then there's still talk about Coates' Superman as an elseworld story.

Shit is going to be confusing.