Current Events > Thor 4 Gods and Thunder was... surreal. Also meh. spoilers

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Kinda felt like the Men in Black 2 of Thor 3's Men in Black 1.

Cool hard rock ballad of Thor 3? Let's add them all in Thor 4, that's what worked right!

Humor? Humor and then some!

Without any understanding of why or how it worked in context of Thor 3. I just don't understand what happened. A lot of the humor fell flat for me this time more than it made me chuckle.

What a waste of christian bale.

They did the matt damon/sam neil thing again... nothing will beat the laugh we got in Thor 3. But Melissa Mccarthy as Hela, I did enjoy that.

I had no idea what you were talking about until the second post

*Love and Thunder

I'm a Marvel fan and it's one of the worst films since Thor 2. Even numbers aren't good for Thor.

As for scenes I liked, I liked just before the shadow realm fight when gorr silently points at thor's weapon and thor is silently going you want it? come take it

that little part really worked for me

But seriously the beginning part was so damn rough I didn't even crack a smile throughout the entire thor and guardians portion. Thor riding on the axe like a witch on a broom... hah... hah I guess?

IMO it's the worst MCU movie ever. I thought it was a mess and anything good in it (Bale) was wasted.

It was the first Marvel project for me where I realized something was off.

Black Widow was an "okay" movie that only seemed worse to me IMO because of what came before and after it.

Thor Love and Thunder was the first time it felt like the MCU had kinda just stopped trying.

It's a shame because the movie had some amazing ideas. A dude hunting and murdering gods? Greek gods entering the MCU? Yes please.

But they wasted it. The badass god killer kidnapped some kids, and...Then he lost? What the fuck. I don't remember him actually doing any thing.

MisterPengy posted...

It's a shame because the movie had some amazing ideas. A dude hunting and murdering gods? Greek gods entering the MCU? Yes please.

But they wasted it. The badass god killer kidnapped some kids, and...Then he lost? What the fuck. I don't remember him actually doing any thing.

In the comics, he's basically like a serial killer of Gods and Thor goes around finding his crime scenes.

There's apparently A LOT of cut scenes where we'd see Gorr actually killing Gods, but it seems like they got cut to make the movie more light-hearted (which is fucking stupid).

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

There's apparently A LOT of cut scenes where we'd see Gorr actually killing Gods, but it seems like they got cut to make the movie more light-hearted (which is fucking stupid).

The problem with the movie wouldn't have been fixed if they had made it darker

What? That's not the name of the movie

Hinakuluiau posted...

The problem with the movie wouldn't have been fixed if they had made it darker

Sure, but two of the biggest complaints were a) Gorr being criminally underutilized and b) The movie not taking itself seriously enough, 2 things those scenes would have alleviated to some degree.

Returning_CEmen posted...

I had no idea what you were talking about until the second post

*Love and Thunder

Yeah that. I don't know why I keep confusing it with Gods I don't know which media I'm mixing it up with.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Sure, but two of the biggest complaints were a) Gorr being criminally underutilized and b) The movie not taking itself seriously enough, 2 things those scenes would have alleviated to some degree.

Agreed. Shit was a mess tonally.

MisterPengy posted...

It's a shame because the movie had some amazing ideas. A dude hunting and murdering gods? Greek gods entering the MCU? Yes please.

But they wasted it. The badass god killer kidnapped some kids, and...Then he lost? What the fuck. I don't remember him actually doing any thing.

Absolutely. The concept of a god hunter was a great premise. Completely squandered. I was so annoyed by the weird tone and unfunny humor that I didn't even realize they actually had a great concept here to explore

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

It was the first Marvel project for me where I realized something was off.

Black Widow was an "okay" movie that only seemed worse to me IMO because of what came before and after it.

Thor Love and Thunder was the first time it felt like the MCU had kinda just stopped trying.

I'll admit infinity war and the reveal of thanos's nothing sauce plan/motivation/characterization really soured me on the mcu moving forward. I no longer believe in a grand design or that it's all leading to something, like it was 10+ years ago.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

In the comics, he's basically like a serial killer of Gods and Thor goes around finding his crime scenes.

There's apparently A LOT of cut scenes where we'd see Gorr actually killing Gods, but it seems like they got cut to make the movie more light-hearted (which is fucking stupid).

That's a real shame. This is probably the kind of movie people think of when they think "kiddy humor" though I doubt even kids liked it. Haha, a baby strapped to a warrior going into a battle? This is like those Epic Movie shit. How did this happen.

I wouldn't even call it lighthearted. It's just straight up immature. Juvenile.

How did Taika Waititi go from Thor 3 to this. Also Korg was actually more annoying than funny I hate to say...

saspa posted...

That's a real shame. This is probably the kind of movie people think of when they think "kiddy humor" though I doubt even kids liked it. Haha, a baby strapped to a warrior going into a battle? This is like those Epic Movie shit. How did this happen.

I wouldn't even call it lighthearted. It's just straight up immature. Juvenile.

How did Taika Waititi go from Thor 3 to this. Also Korg was actually more annoying than funny I hate to say...

It seems like they saw the success of Thor Ragnarok compared to the other two Thor films and decided to double down on the humor, which was definitely the wrong call.

Same thing happened with Korg. People loved him during his short appearances in Ragnarok and Endgame, but the MCU has this really bad habit of giving popular side characters waaay more screentime than they need in subsequent sequels, making them more annoying in the process.

Oh wow. Reading up on the production of the movie and Taika Waititi pretty much went "yeah we intentionally wanted it to have an uneven tone and be lame" or more specifically if "10-year-olds told us what should be in a movie and we said yes to every single thing."

Well you succeeded. He seemed to confuse "having 10 year olds tell us what should be in a movie" with "put a whole bunch of 10 year old kids in a movie"

It felt like everything was a joke. Like kids are suppose to be in danger yet it feels like its still a joke and nothing bad will happen.

I liked the screaming goats cause it was so bad and stupid that it was actually funny imo

Every scene dragged on too long cause they wanted to fit 5 more unfunny quips in. Shit was so annoying.

They never explain why Thor got god powers, or Heimdall or Hela for that matter.
Aren't they just technically advanced space hominids?

mobilebloechel posted...

Yeah it wasn't that great. Wasted the bad guy. We got to see Eternity on the big screen which was something I've always wanted to see since being a kid....but again...kinda wasted.

Also the ending how they stopped the bad guy/girl EXACTLY like in Multiverse of Madness by getting to the very end and going "hey don't do this please" and they are like "oh okay"

... didn't even think of that but yeah that is kinda similar. That was also a movie that felt surreal to me but for different reasons like a combination of weird camera work but also excitement at them actually putting in all the xmen and inhumans and ff4 in one go and then confusion that they're apparently not going through with it after all?

Did Thor 4 also have reshoots and problems plaguing it like Dr strange 2? And is it enough to just blame covid19 for why it's kinda crap?

I read the comic to get hyped then went to see the movie with my dad. I ended up being really embarrassed. Movie is a pathetic shell of the comic story and has a very different tone from the original story

Thor 4 reshoots were far more extensive and insane

A significant amount of the film was trashed

For context, neither Hemsworth nor the Director saw the final cut wtf

It was an awful movie. Easily my least favorite mcu movie by far

Avirosb posted...

They never explain why Thor got god powers, or Heimdall or Hela for that matter.
Aren't they just technically advanced space hominids?

My interpretation was always that the "gods" in the MCU were like the Goa'uld in Stargate; they weren't actually gods, just aliens that humanity interpreted as being gods, and in some cases they decide to really play up the role and accept the title/position of superiority.

Zikten posted...

I read the comic to get hyped then went to see the movie with my dad. I ended up being really embarrassed. Movie is a pathetic shell of the comic story and has a very different tone from the original story

But... what about the mcu's history made you think it was a good idea to read the story it was based on beforehand?

Wouldn't you end up disappointed no matter which way the movie went. Also how is it, is the concept of god butcher detective mystery as good as it sounds?

Avirosb posted...

They never explain why Thor got god powers, or Heimdall or Hela for that matter.
Aren't they just technically advanced space hominids?

We have been told countless times that they are gods but people are still clinging onto one line where Thor explains magic in context of science to Jane?

CreekCo posted...

Thor 4 reshoots were far more extensive and insane

A significant amount of the film was trashed

For context, neither Hemsworth nor the Director saw the final cut wtf

This is starting to make more and more sense... who greenlit the riding the broom scene because I'm utterly fascinated by those 20 seconds of The Room/Epic Movie level quality. I sat there staring, I actually rewinded just to check if that actually happened.

saspa posted...

But... what about the mcu's history made you think it was a good idea to read the story it was based on beforehand?

Wouldn't you end up disappointed no matter which way the movie went. Also how is it, is the concept of god butcher detective mystery as good as it sounds?

The comic is very good. It starts off like a hunt for a serial killer and the story spans over a thousand years of time. Thor first uncovers evidence that someone is hunting gods, in the viking age.

One scene I really wish had been left in was when he keeps finding murder scene after murder scene. In the movie he just sees a few gods dying on a computer screen

In the comic he physically visits the homelands of many panethons and finds entire families of gods slaughtered. Like he goes into a palace in space orbiting a planet, and finds rotting god corpses inside

Another time he goes to a place that's like a Greek garden with a pond. The pond is now poisoned from the dead gods and the only survivor is a mutated and diseased unicorn

As for prereading the comic, I knew it wouldn't be exactly the same but I thought it would have the same tone. I did not expect them to turn it into a jokefest

MICHALECOLE posted...

It was an awful movie. Easily my least favorite mcu movie by far

More than the DC movie er I mean Eternals?

Actually it's interesting that both terrible movies are examples of opposite extremes. Eternals was trying so hard to be all serious and poignant and grimdark from that one pretentious director, while Thor 4 was trying way too hard to be funny and silly and stupid and dumb and of no substance whatsoever.

It's not the worst Thor Movie, and I don't think it's the worst MCU movie.

If I had to rate the thor movies:

Ragnorok (3)> Thor 1>Love and Thunder (4)> Dark World (2)

Honestly, all the Thor movies are mediocre, except Ragnorok. Dark World was pretty bad.

imagine expecting any type of serious movie with a title called "love and thunder".

at least with ragnarok it would have been disappointing if there weren't some type of end of the world plot.

saspa posted...

More than the DC movie er I mean Eternals?

Actually it's interesting that both terrible movies are examples of opposite extremes. Eternals was trying so hard to be all serious and poignant and grimdark from that one pretentious director, while Thor 4 was trying way too hard to be funny and silly and stupid and dumb and of no substance whatsoever.

Eternals would be my second least favorite and Id give that one like.. a 6/10

while Id give love and thunder a 3/10

Arcanine2009 posted...

It's not the worst Thor Movie, and I don't think it's the worst MCU movie.

If I had to rate the thor movies:

Ragnorok (3)> Thor 1>Love and Thunder (4)> Dark World (2)

Honestly, all the Thor movies are mediocre, except Ragnorok. Dark World was pretty bad.

Yeah, I agree with this. Personally I still think Incredible Hulk, Dark World, Iron Man 3, and Age of Ultron are all worse than Love and Thunder for various reasons.

Zikten posted...

The comic is very good. It starts off like a hunt for a serial killer and the story spans over a thousand years of time. Thor first uncovers evidence that someone is hunting gods, in the viking age.

One scene I really wish had been left in was when he keeps finding murder scene after murder scene. In the movie he just sees a few gods dying on a computer screen

In the comic he physically visits the homelands of many panethons and finds entire families of gods slaughtered. Like he goes into a palace in space orbiting a planet, and finds rotting god corpses inside

Another time he goes to a place that's like a Greek garden with a pond. The pond is now poisoned from the dead gods and the only survivor is a mutated and diseased unicorn

That... sounds really good. I might legit check this comic out now.

Right off the bat I could see there's no way they could have fit that in a movie. Maybe if they made it like Seven7 but without the gross stuff? I dunno

The idea of visiting many pantheons of the gods would have been really cool. We're in the 2020s I would have thought by now there's definitely the level of technology (not to mention the disney budget) to showcase stuff like that

It also just hit me that this movie would have been perfect to bring Moon Knight into the movies as well, since he had already been established via his own Disney+ series a few months before. And that series had Egyptian gods aplenty in it.

TMOG posted...

It also just hit me that this movie would have been perfect to bring Moon Knight into the movies as well, since he had already been established via his own Disney+ series a few months before. And that series had Egyptian gods aplenty in it.

I mean... I guess so. I can't see how Moon Knight would fit into a Thor story to be honest, then again I don't feel like I've really gotten a grasp of Moon Knight's character at all despite watching the show.