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Intro2Logic
06/14/23 12:36:40 PM
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7bbkv/biden-administration-tells-car-companies-to-ignore-right-to-repair-law-people-overwhelmingly-voted-for

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tremain07
06/14/23 12:39:22 PM
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Biden, much like Obama,is pro corporate

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Compsognathus
06/14/23 12:39:35 PM
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It'd be so nice to vote for a president for reasons beyond "Not Donald Trump".

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Bass
06/14/23 12:40:52 PM
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Thanks, Biden. You're really working so hard to make the car market more consumer friendly.

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tremain07
06/14/23 12:42:27 PM
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Compsognathus posted...
It'd be so nice to vote for a president for reasons beyond "Not Donald Trump".
Instead you'll get corporate dem vs fascist republican

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Southernfatman
06/14/23 12:44:37 PM
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"Both sides" is actually true to a degree in that both parties are corrupt, pro business scum. It's just certain folks use and abuse the term in bad faith.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's letter is a huge blow to consumers' rights and is a puzzling move considering that President Biden and his administration have repeatedly championed the right to repair and have specifically stated that they do not believe that right to repair laws pose cybersecurity concerns.

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rexcrk
06/14/23 12:47:13 PM
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Compsognathus posted...
It'd be so nice to vote for a president for reasons beyond "Not Donald Trump".
What a concept lol

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s0nicfan
06/14/23 12:48:34 PM
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Don't worry, I'm sure he'll promise on the campaign trail to totally fix this if he's re-elected.

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Aristoph
06/14/23 12:48:39 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Instead you'll get corporate dem vs fascist republican

Corporate Dem is still the obviously better choice. At least corporations will occasionally do things that are genuinely good, even if it is only to salvage their brand image after a fuck-up.

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YourBestFrenemy
06/14/23 12:49:17 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Instead you'll get corporate dem vs fascist republican

The choice is obvious though.

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R1masher
06/14/23 12:49:48 PM
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Lobbyists lobbying

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Anarchy_Juiblex
06/14/23 12:52:40 PM
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Compsognathus posted...
It'd be so nice to vote for a president for reasons beyond "Not Donald Trump".

Do I need to link to his massive list of accomplishments or are we in a constant state of, "what have you done for me lately?" over every little thing.

Anyone here reading the letter? It's probably a bit more arcane than I feel like getting into right now. Pitching a bitching fit seems premature.

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BewmHedshot
06/14/23 12:54:43 PM
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Nobody here actually read the letter, I see.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
06/14/23 12:59:22 PM
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BewmHedshot posted...
Nobody here actually read the letter, I see.

Yeah you don't expect them to actually read it, and address the context, application, and intent, when instead they can just circle jerk about how anti-capitalist they are?


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R1masher
06/14/23 1:01:11 PM
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BewmHedshot posted...
Nobody here actually read the letter, I see.

were past that now, lets not try to derail and stay on topic

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Gwynevere
06/14/23 1:03:20 PM
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Really cool that corporations get the option to just ignore a law that was overwhelmingly voted in favor of

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Anarchy_Juiblex
06/14/23 1:03:53 PM
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Gwynevere posted...
Really cool that corporations get the option to just ignore a law that was overwhelmingly voted in favor of

Federal laws > shitty states rights

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NatsuSama
06/14/23 1:03:56 PM
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Compsognathus posted...
It'd be so nice to vote for a president for reasons beyond "Not Donald Trump".
Given the administration has pushed many progressive agendas, it's bs to even claim that's the only reason anyone voted for him. Or that he hasn't pushed or tried to push many left wing legislation.

With the congress setup he has, the administration has done more than just "not be Trump."

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ArtiRock
06/14/23 1:05:32 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
"Both sides" is actually true to a degree in that both parties are corrupt, pro business scum. It's just certain folks use and abuse the term in bad faith.
It's not even a both sides thing here. It's more like one side is downright garbage and still considered "viable" which in turn basically forces people to deal with the shitty one because it doesn't actively seek to ruin their livelihood, just ensure that it's not as good as it could / should / would be if the government wasn't beholden to corporations.

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TheGoldenEel
06/14/23 1:08:54 PM
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BewmHedshot posted...
Nobody here actually read the letter, I see.
I read the whole article, which both cites and quotes the letter, and provides expert points refuting it

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MaxEffingBemis
06/14/23 1:09:01 PM
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Bidens progressive agenda that pushes national policy an inch to the left whereas other established countries have pushed their progressive agendas a full foot to the left

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xlr_big-coop
06/14/23 1:16:16 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
"Both sides" is actually true to a degree in that both parties are corrupt, pro business scum.

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NatsuSama
06/14/23 1:16:22 PM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
Bidens progressive agenda that pushes national policy an inch to the left whereas other established countries have pushed their progressive agendas a full foot to the left
As opposed to what?

What realistic thing could the Biden administration do with a Congress that is not in his favor?

The people demanding drastic changes don't seem to understand how government works. The president can't unilaterally do whatever he wants if the other 2 branches of government checks him.

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DrPrimemaster
06/14/23 1:17:13 PM
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Complying with the state law would cause cars to violate a federal law that states a safety standard. The letter is meant to remind them that the federal laws set by the NHSTA take precedent over the state law.

The worry is specifically regarding giving open remote access to the cars telematics. This allows people to do repairs outside of a mechanic shop. However, the opening of access has a potential to give bad actors remote access as well.

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bigblu89
06/14/23 1:17:27 PM
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YourBestFrenemy posted...
The choice is obvious though.
Just because one side is shittier than the other, doesn't mean they both aren't shitty.

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Intro2Logic
06/14/23 1:19:22 PM
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NatsuSama posted...
What realistic thing could the Biden administration do with a Congress that is not in his favor?
Not this, to give one example.

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MaxEffingBemis
06/14/23 1:19:45 PM
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NatsuSama posted...
As opposed to what?

What realistic thing could the Biden administration do with a Congress that is not in his favor?

The people demanding drastic changes don't seem to understand how government works. The president can't unilaterally do whatever he wants if the other 2 branches of government checks him.
Im not just talking about the Biden admin, Im talking about the Democratic Party as a whole. Remember in 08-09 they had a supermajority and could pass meaningful legislation and didnt? They could have codified legal abortion, fought gerrymandering, whatever you want. But they didnt. Whereas other countries have legalized abortion and properly invested in their infrastructures and whatnot.

My point is its fine to support them but its also fine to demand more

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bigblu89
06/14/23 1:20:08 PM
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ArtiRock posted...
It's not even a both sides thing here. It's more like one side is downright garbage and still considered "viable" which in turn basically forces people to deal with the shitty one because it doesn't actively seek to ruin their livelihood, just ensure that it's not as good as it could / should / would be if the government wasn't beholden to corporations.

So, basically, you have to chose between getting an injection that kills you in your sleep, or getting ripped apart by rabid wolves.

Either way you're dead, but at least one gives you the illusion that it was done the "right way".

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TheGoldenEel
06/14/23 1:22:18 PM
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DrPrimemaster posted...
Complying with the state law would cause cars to violate a federal law that states a safety standard. The letter is meant to remind them that the federal laws set by the NHSTA take precedent over the state law.

The worry is specifically regarding giving open remote access to the cars telematics. This allows people to do repairs outside of a mechanic shop. However, the opening of access has a potential to give bad actors remote access as well.
No, the auto makers have claimed that complying would violate federal law, which is disputed by security experts

this was being played out in the courts, until the Biden administration stepped in to take a side, which they had no obligation to do

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Paragon21XX
06/14/23 1:22:18 PM
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Biden ignores the science in favor of corporate interests. What else is new?

DrPrimemaster posted...
Complying with the state law would cause cars to violate a federal law that states a safety standard. The letter is meant to remind them that the federal laws set by the NHSTA take precedent over the state law.

The worry is specifically regarding giving open remote access to the cars telematics. This allows people to do repairs outside of a mechanic shop. However, the opening of access has a potential to give bad actors remote access as well.
The FTC's own findings on the matter entirely contradict the NHTSA's "guidance," that there is no additional safety risk associated with providing the same diagnostic tools to independent shops that licensed dealership garages get to use.

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ArtiRock
06/14/23 1:22:31 PM
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bigblu89 posted...


So, basically, you have to chose between getting an injection that kills you in your sleep, or getting ripped apart by rabid wolves.

Either way you're dead, but at least one gives you the illusion that it was done the "right way".
At this point, it's creeping towards that, yeah, but I wouldn't even argue both sides. Because one is just straight up bad for a lot of people.

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Anarchy_Juiblex
06/14/23 1:22:45 PM
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DrPrimemaster posted...
However, the opening of access has a potential to give bad actors remote access as well.

Imaging how shitty it would be if every time you left your car unlocked or if someone broke in, you had to go get your ECM/etc wiped over possible cyber security issues.

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NatsuSama
06/14/23 1:23:07 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
Not this, to give one example.
You didn't give an example.

The executive branch doesn't have the supreme unilateral power so many are confused or convinced it has. The administration does not have the Legislative or the Judicial branch under its control nor is it an ally to the executive branches agenda.

The other 2 branches of government can check the Executive branch. Contrary to the fun talking point that's regurgitated often, it didn't have the other 2 branches in 2020 either. 50 Republicans and only 2 Democrats had the power to block everything in the Senate, so the talking point of "but the Democrats" is not accurate given basic math of who supported what and who blocked what.

You haven't proposed a realistic thing the Biden Administration can do. Just a wet dream that ignores the administration can't actually deliver everything or even most of the things you want in the year 2023.

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Anarchy_Juiblex
06/14/23 1:26:42 PM
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Paragon21XX posted...
The FTC's own findings on the matter entirely contradict the NHTSA's "guidance," that there is no additional safety risk associated with providing the same diagnostic tools to independent shops that licensed dealership garages get to use.

Sounds like the FTC is lying or simply wrong.

Sorry I don't trust the federal trade commissions assessment on that over . . . literally just "set theory."
Making more tools more widely available always adds some level of extra security risk.

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thronedfire2
06/14/23 1:27:10 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
Just because one side is shittier than the other, doesn't mean they both aren't shitty.

one option is just a pile of shit on the side of the road, the other is like being force fed shit through a tube for 4 years

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thronedfire2
06/14/23 1:28:34 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Sounds like the FTC is lying or simply wrong.

Sorry I don't trust the federal trade commissions assessment on that over . . . literally just "set theory."
Making more tools more widely available always adds some level of extra security risk.

but the people working at the dealers have access to the same information and apparently thats not a safety concern at all?


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Gwynevere
06/14/23 1:30:53 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Federal laws > shitty states rights
Too bad that really only seems to come into play when it's corporations money on the line, vs rights being stripped from people

That is the only time the fed will flex its muscle

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hockeybub89
06/14/23 1:35:14 PM
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bigblu89 posted...


So, basically, you have to chose between getting an injection that kills you in your sleep, or getting ripped apart by rabid wolves.

Either way you're dead, but at least one gives you the illusion that it was done the "right way".
More like slowly die vs getting shot in the face and your corpse pissed on

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NatsuSama
06/14/23 1:58:39 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
More like slowly die (Team A) vs getting shot in the face and your corpse pissed on (Team B)
Also like to add for the most while Team A has its flaws, Team A is actually trying to slow down death and most even attempting to prevent it all together.

While Team B is actively trying to progress death faster and blocking legislation that prevents death. With the major detail that goes ignored too often, Team B has the numbers to obstruct and block much of what Team A attempts to do.

With both siderism types ignoring what Team B is doing and throwing on a surprised Pikachu face that Team A can't perform the impossible with the numbers they have in government. Or acting like anyone is calling Team A, the team with no flaws when pointing out Team B is far far worse.

No one is saying they don't have flaws, but the people complaining about flaws also tend to do one or more of the following:
be ignorant why many of those flaws exist (a team has to have the numbers in congress, consistently. They cant have it one election cycle, then voters stay home the next then act confused why shit goes backwards, see Roe V Wade);
falsely claim both sides are the same;
falsely harp on things a decade plus ago (as if the parties are exactly the same from a decade plus ago. Fun fact, Obama wasnt pro gay marriage at first a decade+ ago, but he is now, in 2023).

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divot1338
06/14/23 2:13:00 PM
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The Fed finally didnt raise rates this morning for once. Im sure the Biden administration just want everybody to chill out for a minute and stop cratering industries.

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Were_Wyrm
06/14/23 2:19:39 PM
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So what you're saying is we need California to pass a similar law.

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