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MedeaLysistrata
06/03/23 5:05:45 PM
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I never played FFT

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Irony
06/03/23 5:06:09 PM
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Ya

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MedeaLysistrata
06/03/23 5:06:59 PM
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Irony posted...
Ya
What are some things it does better? Is it basically the same game?

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MrToothHasYou
06/03/23 5:07:07 PM
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Everyone I know who has played both has said so, yes

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Irony
06/03/23 5:07:32 PM
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Aside from having a much much better story and characters it doesn't have the stupid rule system that Advanced has

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fire_bolt
06/03/23 5:08:40 PM
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No

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The-19th-Sparta
06/03/23 5:11:26 PM
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Its better in every possible way from story, mechanics, rules, classes (and limitations), to the fights themselves.

Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together is the best sRPG.

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BurmesePenguin
06/03/23 5:12:05 PM
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Haven't played FFT, but simply by existing and not being FFTA, it's better than FFTA

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Tyranthraxus
06/03/23 5:13:33 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
What are some things it does better? Is it basically the same game?

No. It's a downgrade in every way except story. The story is fantastic. The game itself kinda sucks compared to FFTA.

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MedeaLysistrata
06/03/23 5:13:52 PM
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The-19th-Sparta posted...
Its better in every possible way from story, mechanics, rules, classes (and limitations), to the fights themselves.

Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together is the best sRPG.
Interesting. I kind of want to play it now lol.

My favorite is SRW J.

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Lairen
06/03/23 5:22:21 PM
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FFT is so good that FFTA being a literal downgraded FFT is still a good game.

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Ricemills
06/03/23 5:23:49 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
What are some things it does better? Is it basically the same game?

No laws in FFT.

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BewmHedshot
06/03/23 5:26:41 PM
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FFT is Return of the Jedi, FFTA is Eragon.
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MedeaLysistrata
06/03/23 5:28:06 PM
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BewmHedshot posted...
FFT is Return of the Jedi, FFTA is Eragon.
Jesus

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jumi
06/03/23 5:28:34 PM
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Yes, FFT is superior.

It was wild playing as the villain in FFTA, though.

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Turbam
06/03/23 5:28:44 PM
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No, it's the other way around and by an extreme margin.

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Tsukasa1891
06/03/23 5:29:03 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
Interesting. I kind of want to play it now lol.

My favorite is SRW J.
It was rumored that FFT is being remastered. Though it has been a while since that rumor.

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Ricemills
06/03/23 5:31:47 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...


My favorite is SRW J.

Huh, didn't expect a SRW fan in this board.

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MedeaLysistrata
06/03/23 5:33:46 PM
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Ricemills posted...
Huh, didn't expect a SRW fan in this board.
I'm a bit disappointed I can't play the newest release, it has my favorite MS.

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Senta
06/03/23 5:36:32 PM
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I think SRW T is my personal favorite. 30 is fun too though. Do not regret having a singapore PSN account to access all the DLC for it.

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Ricemills
06/03/23 5:37:52 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
I'm a bit disappointed I can't play the newest release, it has my favorite MS.
SRW 30? And your favorite MS, is it the Phenex?
Ah, probably you're referring the DLC Barbatos.

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Shotgunnova
06/03/23 5:43:22 PM
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FFT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FFTAdvance series

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Jennywentnorth8
06/03/23 5:47:00 PM
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Yeah FFT is miles ahead of FFTA.

The only thing FFTA has in it's favor is the different races, but even that is fucking annoying because it also comes with class restrictions.
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BewmHedshot
06/03/23 5:50:23 PM
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Jennywentnorth8 posted...
Yeah FFT is miles ahead of FFTA.

The only thing FFTA has in it's favor is the different races, but even that is fucking annoying because it also comes with class restrictions.
Also the fact Vieras are just better than everyone else for whatever reason. I guess if you're a furry that could be a positive.
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Tyranthraxus
06/03/23 5:52:33 PM
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Jennywentnorth8 posted...
Yeah FFT is miles ahead of FFTA.

The only thing FFTA has in it's favor is the different races, but even that is fucking annoying because it also comes with class restrictions.

Which is good. Helps with balance.

This is what passes for "yeah we tested this I think" in FFT

Spoilers obviously:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbLPkv6ipyE

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Notti
06/06/23 5:05:37 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Which is good. Helps with balance.

This is what passes for "yeah we tested this I think" in FFT

Spoilers obviously:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbLPkv6ipyE


That's all the exploits and broken strats taking advantage of the ai.

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PMarth2002
06/06/23 5:23:47 AM
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FFT is so much better than FFTA. FFT is my favorite game of all time. FFTA was a massive disappointment.

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tripleh213
06/06/23 5:24:16 AM
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Miles better tbh

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Senta
06/06/23 5:26:06 AM
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FFT, FFTA and FFTA2 are all good games.

But FFT is leagues better than the other two.

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Dalthine
06/06/23 6:19:00 AM
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Story wise it's definitely more mature and well told. It does lean into political themes though, which also makes it more dry and at times a bit plodding. Whether or not you like that will be up to taste. If you liked the way FF12's story worked, you'll probably like Tactics' story.

Gameplay wise, Tactics has more steps built into it to unlock things, but you're also not gated by equipment on strong skills. The basic systems are largely the same, except a lot of actions have cast time that can allow them to be manipulated or avoided. It gets a bit slower having to compare when things resolve to make sure your foes can't avoid them.

The biggest difference to TA is that Tactics has a lot of unique characters with strong skills only they have access to (in addition to all the same options generics get). You're much more likely to roll with actual characters instead of generics. To the point that one of them, the Thunder God, is considered to almost trivialize the rest of the game when you get him.

Difficulty is pretty high when you start whereas TA was pretty consistently easy, but gets easier as you go on and get stronger members and more skills.
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Kloe_Rinz
06/06/23 6:21:16 AM
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how is FFT and Tactics Ogre compared to Triangle Strategy and Fire Emblem Three Houses?
Particularly story
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Notti
06/08/23 7:59:21 AM
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Senta posted...
FFT, FFTA and FFTA2 are all good games.

But FFT is leagues better than the other two.


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Justin2Krelian
06/08/23 9:00:13 AM
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Yes, but only because of the significantly better story. I actually liked the gameplay of FFTA slightly better.

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Tyranthraxus
06/08/23 9:05:52 AM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
how is FFT and Tactics Ogre compared to Triangle Strategy and Fire Emblem Three Houses?
Particularly story
TO blows everything else out of the water

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masterpug53
06/08/23 9:14:30 AM
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If it weren't for the laws, Tactics Advance would win out in the gameplay category for me personally. I prefer the different class races, and I like FFTA's job selection better overall than FFT's. I also vastly prefer a fixed amount of JP after a fight over JP grinding in FFT.

I think I can finally admit that Tactics Ogre: Reborn beats them both, however.

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Tyranthraxus
06/08/23 9:22:52 AM
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Laws are dramatically overstated in FFTA.

You get so many law cards that the system is basically meaningless. And about 1/3rd of the game takes place in the lawless area.

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masterpug53
06/08/23 9:32:02 AM
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Laws in FFTA are like the doomsday countdown in Majora's Mask. Sure, the game gives you plenty of ways to work around them, and if you're careful they'll never actually be an issue; plenty of gamers aren't bothered in the slightest by either. But for others like myself - the kind of person who savescums whenever I incur a bounty in an Elder Scrolls game - they're an unnecessary, perpetual annoyance that has a permanent seat in the back of your mind the entire time you're trying to relax and enjoy the game.

FFTA2 tried to temper things by making punishments less severe, but it countered this by adding some of the dumbest-ass laws imaginable (such as the law that literally punishes you for getting hit by an attack).

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Dalthine
06/08/23 9:47:27 AM
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masterpug53 posted...
Laws in FFTA are like the doomsday countdown in Majora's Mask. Sure, the game gives you plenty of ways to work around them, and if you're careful they'll never actually be an issue; plenty of gamers aren't bothered in the slightest by either. But for others like myself - the kind of person who savescums whenever I incur a bounty in an Elder Scrolls game - they're an unnecessary, perpetual annoyance that has a permanent seat in the back of your mind the entire time you're trying to relax and enjoy the game.

FFTA2 tried to temper things by making punishments less severe, but it countered this by adding some of the dumbest-ass laws imaginable (such as the law that literally punishes you for getting hit by an attack).
Knockback isn't allowed.

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Tyranthraxus
06/08/23 10:06:48 AM
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Dalthine posted...
Knockback isn't allowed.

Oops, you got a crit. GO TO JAIL!

That is way more likely to happen to the enemy than you though.

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VampireCoyote
06/08/23 10:07:35 AM
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Better in every way

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xXfireglzXx
06/08/23 11:00:33 AM
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Yes. But FFTA is a very good game cursed to live in the shadow of FFT.

It's definitely unfairly judged because they decided to brand it under the FFT name, but it deviates too far from FFT in a lot of ways to have been able to retain the fan base.

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Trumpo
06/08/23 11:02:22 AM
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Music
Story

Not to mention several different hacks available

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Dalthine
06/08/23 1:39:52 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
That is way more likely to happen to the enemy than you though.
Maybe. But I don't remember it happening to enemies.

I DO remember the time I got a Game Over because it happened to Marche.
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Nightmare_Luna
06/08/23 1:40:49 PM
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FFTA is garbage

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ellis123
06/08/23 1:52:44 PM
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Dalthine posted...
Maybe. But I don't remember it happening to enemies.
It does, but it isn't any more likely to happen to enemies. You just will be able to potentially play around it more as the AI in the game is somewhat questionable.

And FFT is better, yeah. Between the better story, better gameplay, better graphics, better soundtrack, and better "everything else that I might have forgotten" it clowns on TA. TA may be overly hated, but Tactics itself is easily the best the genre has to offer. About the only thing that really serves as a "downside" is that it's old enough that you aren't allowed to undo your movement actions, a common thing in older tactics games.

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Dalthine
06/08/23 2:07:42 PM
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ellis123 posted...
It does, but it isn't any more likely to happen to enemies. You just will be able to potentially play around it more as the AI in the game is somewhat questionable.
Oh no, I know it happens. I meant it as a memory bias thing. Minor impact if an enemy "kills" itself. Major impact if RNG decrees a Game Over.
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pauIie
06/08/23 2:18:26 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No. It's a downgrade in every way except story. The story is fantastic. The game itself kinda sucks compared to FFTA.
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Xenogears15
06/08/23 2:20:21 PM
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FFTA was a fucking disgace. Literally took the thing that made FFT most memorable--it's deep story--and literally turned it into a children's fairy tale.

When I figured out what I had gotten myself into, what they had done to one of my favorite games ever, I took a hammer to the cartridge. I was so livid.

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BewmHedshot
06/08/23 2:24:10 PM
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Xenogears15 posted...
FFTA was a fucking disgace. Literally took the thing that made FFT most memorable--it's deep story--and literally turned it into a children's fairy tale.

When I figured out what I had gotten myself into, what they had done to one of my favorite games ever, I took a hammer to the cartridge. I was so livid.
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ellis123
06/08/23 2:25:43 PM
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Dalthine posted...
Oh no, I know it happens. I meant it as a memory bias thing. Minor impact if an enemy "kills" itself. Major impact if RNG decrees a Game Over.
Ye, fair.

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