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Wandering__Hero 05/31/23 7:55:05 AM #51:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/2/8/AANcx_AAEP24.jpg --- Rip Politics board. Not that anything on there actually mattered <cite>Wandering__Hero posted [p:973830425] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/2/8/AANcx_AAEP24.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate_reaver 05/31/23 7:56:21 AM #52:	joseph numbers --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate_reaver posted [p:973830439] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>joseph numbers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 05/31/23 7:58:36 AM #54:	hockeybub89 posted... GOP: "LGBTQ people are evil! They're demons! They want to groom our children and rape them! We need to eliminate the LGBTQ agenda. It has no place in America. It is a thread to freedom and safety!" Joe Numbers: "I don't know about you guys, but I will give that a charitable interpretation since I believe in diverse viewpoints that go against the common one. Diverse thought and discussion is good for the mind. They clearly are just slightly upset about some of the more radical and stubborn activists. They don't want to harm anyone and you all will probably find they make some good points if you give them a fair chance. Remember that Daryl Davis has converted KKK members. There is common ground, a compromise we can meet at. Stubbornness makes you just as bad as them, worse even if you think your beleifs make you a better person." That is not an accurate representation of my perspective. I'm sorry you experienced it that way. You are an interesting person, because unlike a lot of people here who I feel are rude for rude sake, I do feel you often engage in good faith discussions with me, which is genuinely commendable considering how harshly (if largely inaccurately) you view some of my perspectives. Having a back and forth conversation with people like you IMO is the part of CE that I do find valuable and rewarding. I have often wondered if it's better for me and my mental health to avoid a place like CE all together, but I do genuinely believe in the value of exposing myself to ideas outside of what I'm used to, and challenging myself with different perspectives. Idk if CE is the medium to do that, but also idk if I'm ready to just give up on this place too. Idk. Anyway, just thought I'd give that feedback/appreciation to you. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif <cite>joe40001 posted [p:973830462] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite><quote>GOP: "LGBTQ people are evil! They're demons! They want to groom our children and rape them! We need to eliminate the LGBTQ agenda. It has no place in America. It is a thread to freedom and safety!"Joe Numbers: "I don't know about you guys, but I will give that a charitable interpretation since I believe in diverse viewpoints that go against the common one. Diverse thought and discussion is good for the mind. They clearly are just slightly upset about some of the more radical and stubborn activists. They don't want to harm anyone and you all will probably find they make some good points if you give them a fair chance. Remember that Daryl Davis has converted KKK members. There is common ground, a compromise we can meet at. Stubbornness makes you just as bad as them, worse even if you think your beleifs make you a better person."</quote>That is not an accurate representation of my perspective. I'm sorry you experienced it that way.You are an interesting person, because unlike a lot of people here who I feel are rude for rude sake, I do feel you often engage in good faith discussions with me, which is genuinely commendable considering how harshly (if largely inaccurately) you view some of my perspectives.Having a back and forth conversation with people like you IMO is the part of CE that I do find valuable and rewarding. I have often wondered if it's better for me and my mental health to avoid a place like CE all together, but I do genuinely believe in the value of exposing myself to ideas outside of what I'm used to, and challenging myself with different perspectives.Idk if CE is the medium to do that, but also idk if I'm ready to just give up on this place too.Idk. Anyway, just thought I'd give that feedback/appreciation to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/31/23 8:00:06 AM #55:	joe40001 posted... IMO Ideas aren't sales They absolutely are. Convincing someone of an idea you want to impress upon them is one-to-one with trying to sell them a product. --- CyricZ He/him http://twitch.tv/cyricz42 <cite>CyricZ posted [p:973830479] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>IMO Ideas aren't sales</quote>They absolutely are. Convincing someone of an idea you want to impress upon them is one-to-one with trying to sell them a product.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wandering__Hero 05/31/23 8:00:19 AM #56:	Isn't posting a 45 minute video with no summary and no detail on an account known for shit stirring poor forum ettiquite? --- Rip Politics board. Not that anything on there actually mattered <cite>Wandering__Hero posted [p:973830480] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Isn't posting a 45 minute video with no summary and no detail on an account known for shit stirring poor forum ettiquite?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoMeLx22x 05/31/23 8:00:40 AM #57:	joe40001 posted... It's like me making a topic saying "Hey, burger king is having a great deal on burgers" and then a bunch of people being like "convince me that I should get these burgers" or "yeah, I don't like burger king" You didn't do this though. You actually said "hey, this obscure local place in the middle of nowhere I'm eating at has really good burgers, you guys might like it if you check it out" And then proceeded to give no context as to the place you're eating at all and expected people to just want to go there without you explaining why the burgers, atmosphere, customer service, drinks, or whatever you enjoyed about it is good there. Burger King is a standard that people know. Random shitty youtubers with a shitty podcast talking shitty politics are a dime a dozen and unless someone explains what the video/podcast is gonna be about im gonna assume this is just another example of that. --- Sigs are for losers. <cite>NoMeLx22x posted [p:973830483] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>It's like me making a topic saying "Hey, burger king is having a great deal on burgers" and then a bunch of people being like "convince me that I should get these burgers" or "yeah, I don't like burger king"</quote>You didn't do this though. You actually said "hey, this obscure local place in the middle of nowhere I'm eating at has really good burgers, you guys might like it if you check it out" And then proceeded to give no context as to the place you're eating at all and expected people to just want to go there without you explaining why the burgers, atmosphere, customer service, drinks, or whatever you enjoyed about it is good there. Burger King is a standard that people know. Random shitty youtubers with a shitty podcast talking shitty politics are a dime a dozen and unless someone explains what the video/podcast is gonna be about im gonna assume this is just another example of that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/31/23 8:01:23 AM #58:	NoMeLx22x posted... This is what you posted in the OP. Why would anyone want to check it out? That's why you should sell the video. No one sees a 44 minute video and is ever gonna watch with no context. However, if someone posted a 44 minute video and said what was in it and what to expect and what topics were discussed and what they liked and didn't like about the video, or what others might find intereeting about it, then maybe ill give it a try. You wouldn't do this with people in real life. You wouldn't just walk up to group of friends/people and talk about this interesting video that you watched last night, and when they asked you what it was about or what was interesting go "oh you should just watch it and see" they'd think you were an asshole. So why do it here? He might actually do that, since all he treasures is the debate, the diversity of thought. I don't even know why he brings up Daryl Davis when he would hate the idea of everyone thinking the correct way. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:973830495] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>NoMeLx22x posted... </cite><quote>This is what you posted in the OP. Why would anyone want to check it out? That's why you should sell the video. No one sees a 44 minute video and is ever gonna watch with no context. However, if someone posted a 44 minute video and said what was in it and what to expect and what topics were discussed and what they liked and didn't like about the video, or what others might find intereeting about it, then maybe ill give it a try. You wouldn't do this with people in real life. You wouldn't just walk up to group of friends/people and talk about this interesting video that you watched last night, and when they asked you what it was about or what was interesting go "oh you should just watch it and see" they'd think you were an asshole. So why do it here?</quote>He might actually do that, since all he treasures is the debate, the diversity of thought. I don't even know why he brings up Daryl Davis when he would hate the idea of everyone thinking the correct way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/31/23 8:01:44 AM #59:	Wandering__Hero posted... poor forum ettiquite? It seems jnumbers believes this thing known as "forum ettiquette" is some esoteric unknowable set of arbitrary rules that simply amount to a "different way of thinknig". --- CyricZ He/him http://twitch.tv/cyricz42 <cite>CyricZ posted [p:973830500] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Wandering__Hero posted... </cite><quote>poor forum ettiquite?</quote>It seems jnumbers believes this thing known as "forum ettiquette" is some esoteric unknowable set of arbitrary rules that simply amount to a "different way of thinknig".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 05/31/23 8:11:51 AM #60:	NoMeLx22x posted... This is what you posted in the OP. Yes it is Why would anyone want to check it out? That's why you should sell the video. No one sees a 44 minute video and is ever gonna watch with no context. I disagree. I mean I click on videos on my yt feed all the time and all I have are titles and thumbnails, if it's mildly compelling I might skim it or start it or whatever. And also, like I said, if nobody checked it out, that would be fine. However, if someone posted a 44 minute video and said what was in it and what to expect and what topics were discussed and what they liked and didn't like about the video, or what others might find intereeting about it, then maybe ill give it a try. Maybe that would have helped, idk, I've had some bad experiences where I try to do that and people latch onto what I say, and try to make the topic about what I said. And what I have to say isn't the interesting thing, the video is the interesting thing (for those who might find it interesting.) You wouldn't do this with people in real life. You wouldn't just walk up to group of friends/people and talk about this interesting video that you watched last night, and when they asked you what it was about or what was interesting go "oh you should just watch it and see" they'd think you were an asshole. So why do it here? I'm not walking up to anybody here though, I made a topic whose title is "I thought this was an interesting political discussion." and then people chose to come into that topic. I don't see how I'm invading other's spaces when people are coming to the topic. And idk, I feel like me and coworkers and friends might have similar non-sequiturs about random videos we encountered that we found interesting. I don't recall anybody IRL assuming I was requiring they watch a video just because I mentioned it, or requiring me to sell them on it when I wasn't even expecting them to check it out. I'll concede the internet makes the social dynamics wonky, but I don't see what I did that was wrong. I saw what I thought was an interesting political discussion. I shared that video and said that I'd be interested IF anybody checked it out and had thoughts. What's wrong with that? --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif <cite>joe40001 posted [p:973830630] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>NoMeLx22x posted... </cite><quote>This is what you posted in the OP. </quote>Yes it is<quote>Why would anyone want to check it out? That's why you should sell the video. No one sees a 44 minute video and is ever gonna watch with no context. </quote>I disagree. I mean I click on videos on my yt feed all the time and all I have are titles and thumbnails, if it's mildly compelling I might skim it or start it or whatever. And also, like I said, if nobody checked it out, that would be fine.<quote>However, if someone posted a 44 minute video and said what was in it and what to expect and what topics were discussed and what they liked and didn't like about the video, or what others might find intereeting about it, then maybe ill give it a try. </quote>Maybe that would have helped, idk, I've had some bad experiences where I try to do that and people latch onto what I say, and try to make the topic about what I said. And what I have to say isn't the interesting thing, the video is the interesting thing (for those who might find it interesting.)<quote>You wouldn't do this with people in real life. You wouldn't just walk up to group of friends/people and talk about this interesting video that you watched last night, and when they asked you what it was about or what was interesting go "oh you should just watch it and see" they'd think you were an asshole. So why do it here?</quote>I'm not walking up to anybody here though, I made a topic whose title is "I thought this was an interesting political discussion." and then people chose to come into that topic. I don't see how I'm invading other's spaces when people are coming to the topic. And idk, I feel like me and coworkers and friends might have similar non-sequiturs about random videos we encountered that we found interesting. I don't recall anybody IRL assuming I was requiring they watch a video just because I mentioned it, or requiring me to sell them on it when I wasn't even expecting them to check it out.I'll concede the internet makes the social dynamics wonky, but I don't see what I did that was wrong. I saw what I thought was an interesting political discussion. I shared that video and said that I'd be interested IF anybody checked it out and had thoughts.What's wrong with that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wandering__Hero 05/31/23 8:13:03 AM #61:	joe40001 posted... Sealion barking --- Rip Politics board. Not that anything on there actually mattered <cite>Wandering__Hero posted [p:973830642] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>Sealion barking</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 05/31/23 8:16:04 AM #62:	CyricZ posted... They absolutely are. Convincing someone of an idea you want to impress upon them is one-to-one with trying to sell them a product. You and I fundamentally see things differently. It's not "my idea" that I'm aiming to "impress upon them". It's "an idea" that I am sharing with them, they can challenge it, consider it, accept, reject, or augment it. What they do and how they respond isn't part of my agenda because both our agendas should be just getting as close to the truth as possible. So there's no salesmen and no customers. Nobody owns ideas, ideas are articulations of perceptions of objective reality and we exchange them so that we can all come closer to a better shared understanding of objective reality. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif <cite>joe40001 posted [p:973830683] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite><quote>They absolutely are. Convincing someone of an idea you want to impress upon them is one-to-one with trying to sell them a product.</quote>You and I fundamentally see things differently.It's not "my idea" that I'm aiming to "impress upon them". It's "an idea" that I am sharing with them, they can challenge it, consider it, accept, reject, or augment it. What they do and how they respond isn't part of my agenda because both our agendas should be just getting as close to the truth as possible. So there's no salesmen and no customers. Nobody owns ideas, ideas are articulations of perceptions of objective reality and we exchange them so that we can all come closer to a better shared understanding of objective reality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 05/31/23 8:18:02 AM #63:	I tried to respond to "Wandering__Hero" but gamefaqs said: "There is no original content in this message available to quote." And I gotta agree with gamefaqs on this one. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif <cite>joe40001 posted [p:973830709] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>I tried to respond to "Wandering__Hero" but gamefaqs said:"There is no original content in this message available to quote."And I gotta agree with gamefaqs on this one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/31/23 8:20:27 AM #64:	joe40001 posted... Nobody owns ideas, ideas are articulations of perceptions of objective reality and we exchange them so that we can all come closer to a better shared understanding of objective reality. Do bad ideas - ideas that aren't worth the effort of exchanging - exist? --- Please don't be weird in my topics <cite>Antifar posted [p:973830730] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>Nobody owns ideas, ideas are articulations of perceptions of objective reality and we exchange them so that we can all come closer to a better shared understanding of objective reality.</quote>Do bad ideas - ideas that aren't worth the effort of exchanging - exist? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neccis 05/31/23 8:21:35 AM #65:	No politics here fellas, sorry. Only gaming, what you had for lunch and what actors and actresses are doing. Closing this thread now --- PSN: SlCCEN splits open to reveal jam <cite>neccis posted [p:973830739] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>No politics here fellas, sorry. Only gaming, what you had for lunch and what actors and actresses are doing.Closing this thread now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoMeLx22x 05/31/23 8:21:44 AM #66:	joe40001 posted... I tried to respond to "Wandering__Hero" but gamefaqs said: "There is no original content in this message available to quote." And I gotta agree with gamefaqs on this one. Bold stance to take when your entire topic is literally "watch this video someone else did" Like how do you not realize this is the same thing you posted. You didn't put any sort of constructive thought or analysis to what was conveyed in the video and basically just did the same thing that poster did --- Sigs are for losers. <cite>NoMeLx22x posted [p:973830741] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>I tried to respond to "Wandering__Hero" but gamefaqs said:"There is no original content in this message available to quote."And I gotta agree with gamefaqs on this one.</quote>Bold stance to take when your entire topic is literally "watch this video someone else did"Like how do you not realize this is the same thing you posted. You didn't put any sort of constructive thought or analysis to what was conveyed in the video and basically just did the same thing that poster did</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dat_Cracka_Jax 05/31/23 8:21:44 AM #67:	TC is getting lazy. Doesn't even bother to type up a wall of text in the OP anymore. --- http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8131/flame201010170949481638.jpg http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5517/cateyes.gif Rams: 7-9 <cite>Dat_Cracka_Jax posted [p:973830742] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>TC is getting lazy. Doesn't even bother to type up a wall of text in the OP anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 05/31/23 8:24:22 AM #68:	hockeybub89 posted... He might actually do that, since all he treasures is the debate, the diversity of thought. I don't even know why he brings up Daryl Davis when he would hate the idea of everyone thinking the correct way. Certain kinds of discussions I do find interesting, they might be intellectually indulgent, but to be clear I don't like emotional agitation. And yeah, I legitimately really like and respect Daryl Davis and his outlook/approach. Not sure what you mean by "the correct way". Even in good faith discussion there will always be room for further refinement. Are Newtonian mechanics "the correct way"? No, but they are damn good. Still, there's likely always further nuance that can be injected. And IMO that's the point of good faith discussion, to all move together in more accurate directions. Do you not find those kinds of discussions interesting? --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif <cite>joe40001 posted [p:973830775] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite><quote>He might actually do that, since all he treasures is the debate, the diversity of thought. I don't even know why he brings up Daryl Davis when he would hate the idea of everyone thinking the correct way.</quote>Certain kinds of discussions I do find interesting, they might be intellectually indulgent, but to be clear I don't like emotional agitation. And yeah, I legitimately really like and respect Daryl Davis and his outlook/approach.Not sure what you mean by "the correct way". Even in good faith discussion there will always be room for further refinement. Are Newtonian mechanics "the correct way"? No, but they are damn good. Still, there's likely always further nuance that can be injected. And IMO that's the point of good faith discussion, to all move together in more accurate directions.Do you not find those kinds of discussions interesting?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 05/31/23 8:27:25 AM #69:	joe40001 posted... It talks about mental health, free speech, social media's negative effects particularly among certain age groups/demographics, certain campus politics, and many other things. Is the discussion different than what a regular Sam Harris or Coleman Hughes video is? Those topics have been discussed...a lot by people like Hughes, Harris, "IDW" adjacent already. I skimmed it for 10 seconds and I don't plan to watch it as I'm confidently well aware of what the themes are going to be already --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:973830807] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>It talks about mental health, free speech, social media's negative effects particularly among certain age groups/demographics, certain campus politics, and many other things.</quote>Is the discussion different than what a regular Sam Harris or Coleman Hughes video is? Those topics have been discussed...a lot by people like Hughes, Harris, "IDW" adjacent already. I skimmed it for 10 seconds and I don't plan to watch it as I'm confidently well aware of what the themes are going to be already</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 05/31/23 8:28:59 AM #70:	Gobstoppers12 posted... lol I ain't watching no 44 minute video about boring stuff There should be a tl;dw for any video over 40 seconds. --- Putin delenda est <cite>brestugo posted [p:973830831] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite><quote>lol I ain't watching no 44 minute video about boring stuff</quote>There should be a tl;dw for any video over 40 seconds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoMeLx22x 05/31/23 8:31:02 AM #71:	We should just skip to the part of this topic where 4-5 people (including myself) try to convey why maybe next time Joe numbers here posts a video to maybe include some context and analysis and your own original thoughts on the subject And Joe takes all of.those posts and tries to make it into a fucking debate. Like bro, you have an entire topic of people talking about why wjat you did was annoying. 4-5 of those people actually taking the time to try to explain why/how you should do a it in a better way to make the message board experience easier and better for everyone, and instead your gonna derail this topic into a never ending series of posts as to why "no its okay to do what I did" Like, take a step back, realize you can do this better next time, take an L, and move the fuck on. --- Sigs are for losers. <cite>NoMeLx22x posted [p:973830862] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>We should just skip to the part of this topic where 4-5 people (including myself) try to convey why maybe next time Joe numbers here posts a video to maybe include some context and analysis and your own original thoughts on the subjectAnd Joe takes all of.those posts and tries to make it into a fucking debate. Like bro, you have an entire topic of people talking about why wjat you did was annoying. 4-5 of those people actually taking the time to try to explain why/how you should do a it in a better way to make the message board experience easier and better for everyone, and instead your gonna derail this topic into a never ending series of posts as to why "no its okay to do what I did"Like, take a step back, realize you can do this better next time, take an L, and move the fuck on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psuedo_Audacity 05/31/23 8:36:48 AM #72:	To be fair, I would have told him to fuck off no matter what he posted in the OP. Joe knows he's dishonest when he posts, and I just don't have the energy to "debate" somebody who is just trying to seem correct. He believes strongly in the right-wing YoutubeCore culture he bought into 10+ years ago and only posts here to try to convince people that his right-wing youtube buddies aren't right-wing grifters but actually are just correct. <cite>Psuedo_Audacity posted [p:973830914] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>To be fair, I would have told him to fuck off no matter what he posted in the OP. Joe knows he's dishonest when he posts, and I just don't have the energy to "debate" somebody who is just trying to seem correct. He believes strongly in the right-wing YoutubeCore culture he bought into 10+ years ago and only posts here to try to convince people that his right-wing youtube buddies aren't right-wing grifters but actually are just correct.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wandering__Hero 05/31/23 8:38:00 AM #73:	joe40001 posted... I tried to respond to "Wandering__Hero" but gamefaqs said: "There is no original content in this message available to quote." And I gotta agree with gamefaqs on this one. Funny, thats how I feel about you. Nothing you've posted in this thread has been original: First post: 45 minute youtube video from right winger nut jobs with no explanation Next posts: GAIS IM JUST ASKING QUESTIONS Further posts; DIsengous bullshit --- Rip Politics board. Not that anything on there actually mattered <cite>Wandering__Hero posted [p:973830925] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>I tried to respond to "Wandering__Hero" but gamefaqs said:"There is no original content in this message available to quote."And I gotta agree with gamefaqs on this one.</quote>Funny, thats how I feel about you. Nothing you've posted in this thread has been original:First post: 45 minute youtube video from right winger nut jobs with no explanationNext posts: GAIS IM JUST ASKING QUESTIONSFurther posts; DIsengous bullshit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heartomaton 05/31/23 8:41:10 AM #74:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/0/AAASdDAAEcxe.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/9/AAASdDAAEdKJ.jpg --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. <cite>Heartomaton posted [p:973830957] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/0/AAASdDAAEcxe.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/9/AAASdDAAEdKJ.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/31/23 8:42:08 AM #75:	joe40001 posted... And IMO that's the point of good faith discussion, to all move together in more accurate directions. Do you not find those kinds of discussions interesting? At what point are we allowed to move together? So often these "good faith discussions" take the form of rehashing long-settled topics. Dead and discredited ideas - climate change denial, bigotry, trickle-down economics - get propped up Weekend at Bernie's style in our discourse. That's not so we might sharpen our rhetorical blades against them, but to stifle our ability to move on to new subjects and make concrete progress on issues. Additionally, to people for whom politics is a matter of life and death (trans people, pregnant people, those at risk from climate change) and for those whom politics makes material difference in their lives - the working class - it becomes incredibly tiresome to see the matter treated as an intellectual exercise, where policy outcomes are rendered secondary to mental masturbation. --- Please don't be weird in my topics <cite>Antifar posted [p:973830967] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>And IMO that's the point of good faith discussion, to all move together in more accurate directions.Do you not find those kinds of discussions interesting?</quote>At what point are we allowed to move together? So often these "good faith discussions" take the form of rehashing long-settled topics. Dead and discredited ideas - climate change denial, bigotry, trickle-down economics - get propped up Weekend at Bernie's style in our discourse. That's not so we might sharpen our rhetorical blades against them, but to stifle our ability to move on to new subjects and make concrete progress on issues. Additionally, to people for whom politics is a matter of life and death (trans people, pregnant people, those at risk from climate change) and for those whom politics makes material difference in their lives - the working class - it becomes incredibly tiresome to see the matter treated as an intellectual exercise, where policy outcomes are rendered secondary to mental masturbation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wandering__Hero 05/31/23 8:44:31 AM #76:	Heartomaton posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/0/AAASdDAAEcxe.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/9/AAASdDAAEdKJ.jpg Hey Joe would you like to have a polite discussion about this? --- Rip Politics board. Not that anything on there actually mattered <cite>Wandering__Hero posted [p:973830992] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Heartomaton posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/0/AAASdDAAEcxe.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/9/AAASdDAAEdKJ.jpg</quote>Hey Joe would you like to have a polite discussion about this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 05/31/23 8:48:38 AM #78:	To put my point in fewer words: debate is not the end goal of politics. It is a means, not even the only means, of reaching political ends. --- Please don't be weird in my topics <cite>Antifar posted [p:973831053] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>To put my point in fewer words: debate is not the end goal of politics. It is a means, not even the only means, of reaching political ends. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquantoZ 05/31/23 8:48:47 AM #79:	Not surprised that a conservative is also a pedo --- "Context Matters" <cite>SquantoZ posted [p:973831057] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Not surprised that a conservative is also a pedo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 05/31/23 8:53:40 AM #80:	emblem-man posted... Is the discussion different than what a regular Sam Harris or Coleman Hughes video is? Those topics have been discussed...a lot by people like Hughes, Harris, "IDW" adjacent already. I skimmed it for 10 seconds and I don't plan to watch it as I'm confidently well aware of what the themes are going to be already Interesting. I don't find Harris and Hughes interchangeable at all. Do you? I guess I'd say that conversations between the exact same groups of people about similar topics will be similar, but this group has some people I knew and some people I didn't, and they got into specific events and also data on things I hadn't heard before. As far as if it's different... not sure... I mean I guess it depends how low resolution you want to be. Are all "technology is bad for mental health" conversations kinda the same and thus kinda played out? Same question about campus politics or all the other stuff? I mean it sounds like you are at least familiar with a fairly diverse perspective on lots of these issues. And I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. But also I'd be interested in somebody who isn't really exposed to conversations like these and what their thoughts are. And part of why I shared it was that I just found it interesting. Not like THE MOST INTERESTING THING EVER, but like interesting and also calm and civil in a way that I think some people here might find palatable. I don't think I agree with Coleman on everything, but he seems like a pretty decent person and not somebody aggressive in debate, while still being firm in conversation. I'd be legitimately interested in what people on CE think of him, or the conversation in general. I worry about making it about any one person or idea though. Because the more simple you make it, the more somebody can just google "Simple Thing is actually really bad, Huffingtonpost" and then just spam a link in here and derail everything. People might not believe it, but I honestly just like hearing different perspectives, and if I hear an interesting discussion that I'm kind of on the same page with, I'd be very curious what somebody who is skeptical of the discussion's claims would bring up as the faults. Knowing that would both be interesting and help me see blindspots I might have. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif <cite>joe40001 posted [p:973831124] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>emblem-man posted... </cite><quote>Is the discussion different than what a regular Sam Harris or Coleman Hughes video is? Those topics have been discussed...a lot by people like Hughes, Harris, "IDW" adjacent already. I skimmed it for 10 seconds and I don't plan to watch it as I'm confidently well aware of what the themes are going to be already</quote>Interesting. I don't find Harris and Hughes interchangeable at all. Do you?I guess I'd say that conversations between the exact same groups of people about similar topics will be similar, but this group has some people I knew and some people I didn't, and they got into specific events and also data on things I hadn't heard before.As far as if it's different... not sure... I mean I guess it depends how low resolution you want to be. Are all "technology is bad for mental health" conversations kinda the same and thus kinda played out? Same question about campus politics or all the other stuff? I mean it sounds like you are at least familiar with a fairly diverse perspective on lots of these issues. And I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. But also I'd be interested in somebody who isn't really exposed to conversations like these and what their thoughts are.And part of why I shared it was that I just found it interesting. Not like THE MOST INTERESTING THING EVER, but like interesting and also calm and civil in a way that I think some people here might find palatable. I don't think I agree with Coleman on everything, but he seems like a pretty decent person and not somebody aggressive in debate, while still being firm in conversation. I'd be legitimately interested in what people on CE think of him, or the conversation in general. I worry about making it about any one person or idea though. Because the more simple you make it, the more somebody can just google "Simple Thing is actually really bad, Huffingtonpost" and then just spam a link in here and derail everything.People might not believe it, but I honestly just like hearing different perspectives, and if I hear an interesting discussion that I'm kind of on the same page with, I'd be very curious what somebody who is skeptical of the discussion's claims would bring up as the faults. Knowing that would both be interesting and help me see blindspots I might have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wandering__Hero 05/31/23 8:55:55 AM #81:	Heartomaton posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/0/AAASdDAAEcxe.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/9/AAASdDAAEdKJ.jpg Still no response. WHat a shocker! --- Rip Politics board. Not that anything on there actually mattered <cite>Wandering__Hero posted [p:973831148] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Heartomaton posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/0/AAASdDAAEcxe.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/9/AAASdDAAEdKJ.jpg</quote>Still no response.WHat a shocker!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Strider102 05/31/23 8:56:30 AM #82:	Every time joe numbers posts I feel like I'm reading something by Veghesther --- "I dreamt I was a moron." <cite>Strider102 posted [p:973831155] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Every time joe numbers posts I feel like I'm reading something by Veghesther</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fluttershy 05/31/23 9:05:12 AM #83:	I'd be curious about the thoughts of anybody else who checks it out. i looked into him and he's got a video called 'the myth of systemic racism' so i didn't watch his content because i don't want youtube's algorithm force-feeding me alt-right propaganda. okay, my bad, that's not his video, he's just a guest speaker. in the video about the 'myth' of systemic racism. trying to avoid getting algorithmed is tricky. --- https://imgur.com/a7zbPmp.gif <cite>Fluttershy posted [p:973831280] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>I'd be curious about the thoughts of anybody else who checks it out.i looked into him and he's got a video called 'the myth of systemic racism' so i didn't watch his content because i don't want youtube's algorithm force-feeding me alt-right propaganda.okay, my bad, that's not his video, he's just a guest speaker. in the video about the 'myth' of systemic racism. trying to avoid getting algorithmed is tricky.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 05/31/23 9:16:40 AM #84:	Antifar posted... At what point are we allowed to move together? I'd say after just about every good faith discussion people move closer together. (Forgive me, I'm not saying this is what you are saying, but) If the question is "when do people shut up and fall in line"? That's a different thing. Some people will never agree with even super basic things. Some people will change their minds hugely on major things. The best we all can do is just discuss and grow closer to an ever improving and helpful understanding of objective reality. So often these "good faith discussions" take the form of rehashing long-settled topics. Dead and discredited ideas - climate change denial, bigotry, trickle-down economics - get propped up Weekend at Bernie's style in our discourse. That's not so we might sharpen our rhetorical blades against them, but to stifle our ability to move on to new subjects and make concrete progress on issues. Additionally, to people for whom politics is a matter of life and death (trans people, pregnant people, those at risk from climate change) and for those whom politics makes material difference in their lives - the working class - it becomes incredibly tiresome to see the matter treated as an intellectual exercise, where policy outcomes are rendered secondary to mental masturbation. I wouldn't characterize it like that. I don't think indulging in obstructionist thought experiments is that common, nobody has to discuss where they don't want to, that said exasperation is not evidence. Sometimes people say "look, quit disagreeing, the truth is self-evident" because the truth is self-evident and the people disagreeing are being annoying, and sometimes a person says "look, quit disagreeing, the truth is self-evident" because they have a blind-spot in the shortcomings of their own perspectives. I have sympathy for people's emotions. And nobody has to engage in any conversation if they don't want to, particularly if it is emotionally taxing. Even so, IMO real serious good faith discussions should still happen about important issues (and also less important ones too). It sounds to me (and correct me if I'm wrong) that maybe you think the motives of most people who engage in discussions on important issues are just being obstructionist, and that "good faith" discussion is just a bad faith tactic to stall helping people in need of help. Is this at all what your perspective is? --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif <cite>joe40001 posted [p:973831445] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite><quote>At what point are we allowed to move together? </quote>I'd say after just about every good faith discussion people move closer together. (Forgive me, I'm not saying this is what you are saying, but) If the question is "when do people shut up and fall in line"? That's a different thing. Some people will never agree with even super basic things. Some people will change their minds hugely on major things. The best we all can do is just discuss and grow closer to an ever improving and helpful understanding of objective reality.<quote>So often these "good faith discussions" take the form of rehashing long-settled topics. Dead and discredited ideas - climate change denial, bigotry, trickle-down economics - get propped up Weekend at Bernie's style in our discourse. That's not so we might sharpen our rhetorical blades against them, but to stifle our ability to move on to new subjects and make concrete progress on issues. Additionally, to people for whom politics is a matter of life and death (trans people, pregnant people, those at risk from climate change) and for those whom politics makes material difference in their lives - the working class - it becomes incredibly tiresome to see the matter treated as an intellectual exercise, where policy outcomes are rendered secondary to mental masturbation.</quote>I wouldn't characterize it like that. I don't think indulging in obstructionist thought experiments is that common, nobody has to discuss where they don't want to, that said exasperation is not evidence. Sometimes people say "look, quit disagreeing, the truth is self-evident" because the truth is self-evident and the people disagreeing are being annoying, and sometimes a person says "look, quit disagreeing, the truth is self-evident" because they have a blind-spot in the shortcomings of their own perspectives.I have sympathy for people's emotions. And nobody has to engage in any conversation if they don't want to, particularly if it is emotionally taxing. Even so, IMO real serious good faith discussions should still happen about important issues (and also less important ones too). It sounds to me (and correct me if I'm wrong) that maybe you think the motives of most people who engage in discussions on important issues are just being obstructionist, and that "good faith" discussion is just a bad faith tactic to stall helping people in need of help.Is this at all what your perspective is?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wandering__Hero 05/31/23 9:20:45 AM #85:	Heartomaton posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/0/AAASdDAAEcxe.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/9/AAASdDAAEdKJ.jpg Ohh another miss --- Rip Politics board. Not that anything on there actually mattered <cite>Wandering__Hero posted [p:973831511] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Heartomaton posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/0/AAASdDAAEcxe.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/9/AAASdDAAEdKJ.jpg</quote>Ohh another miss</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 05/31/23 9:20:59 AM #86:	joe40001 posted... Interesting. I don't find Harris and Hughes interchangeable at all. Do you? Similar opinions I'd say. joe40001 posted... As far as if it's different... not sure... I mean I guess it depends how low resolution you want to be. Are all "technology is bad for mental health" conversations kinda the same and thus kinda played out? Same question about campus politics or all the other stuff? I mean it sounds like you are at least familiar with a fairly diverse perspective on lots of these issues. And I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. But also I'd be interested in somebody who isn't really exposed to conversations like these and what their thoughts are. Oh I'm definitely played out with campus politics stuff from elite colleges that ends up on the national politics discourse. Skimmed and stopped at a section where Coleman said his friend from college would take down his Reagan poster after the first couple dates, but then would bring it back up if he thought the date was special and serious. Like ok . I'm guessing the topic during that section was about people being too "politicized" --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:973831514] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>Interesting. I don't find Harris and Hughes interchangeable at all. Do you?</quote>Similar opinions I'd say.joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>As far as if it's different... not sure... I mean I guess it depends how low resolution you want to be. Are all "technology is bad for mental health" conversations kinda the same and thus kinda played out? Same question about campus politics or all the other stuff? I mean it sounds like you are at least familiar with a fairly diverse perspective on lots of these issues. And I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. But also I'd be interested in somebody who isn't really exposed to conversations like these and what their thoughts are.</quote>Oh I'm definitely played out with campus politics stuff from elite colleges that ends up on the national politics discourse. Skimmed and stopped at a section where Coleman said his friend from college would take down his Reagan poster after the first couple dates, but then would bring it back up if he thought the date was special and serious. Like ok . I'm guessing the topic during that section was about people being too "politicized"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GeraldDarko 05/31/23 9:20:59 AM #87:	Wandering__Hero posted... Still no response. WHat a shocker! Holding on to screenshots and confronting somone with it for 13 years doesn't make you look great lol --- Carpe petat <cite>GeraldDarko posted [p:973831515] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Wandering__Hero posted... </cite><quote>Still no response.WHat a shocker!</quote>Holding on to screenshots and confronting somone with it for 13 years doesn't make you look great lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wandering__Hero 05/31/23 9:25:48 AM #88:	GeraldDarko posted... Holding on to screenshots and confronting somone with it for 13 years doesn't make you look great lol I mean im not the original poster, but tc is obviously a shit poster in bad faith so I feel less guilty showing a skeleton in their closest. Besides, their probably already preparing their next alt --- Rip Politics board. Not that anything on there actually mattered <cite>Wandering__Hero posted [p:973831588] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>GeraldDarko posted... </cite><quote>Holding on to screenshots and confronting somone with it for 13 years doesn't make you look great lol</quote>I mean im not the original poster, but tc is obviously a shit poster in bad faith so I feel less guilty showing a skeleton in their closest. Besides, their probably already preparing their next alt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 05/31/23 9:29:08 AM #89:	Fluttershy posted... I'd be curious about the thoughts of anybody else who checks it out. i looked into him and he's got a video called 'the myth of systemic racism' so i didn't watch his content because i don't want youtube's algorithm force-feeding me alt-right propaganda. okay, my bad, that's not his video, he's just a guest speaker. in the video about the 'myth' of systemic racism. trying to avoid getting algorithmed is tricky. Also IMO you are doing yourself a disservice by making such broad judgements of a person off of video titles alone, though I give you credit for distinguishing a video he appears in where he very well might be challenging or debating the premise of the video title with him necessarily believing the video title as his claimed philosophy. I'm curious, based on your response to him, who is somebody you'd consider to be politically independent? So a non-democrat who you'd consider independent and not "alt-right" or "far-right"? --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif <cite>joe40001 posted [p:973831651] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Fluttershy posted... </cite><quote>I'd be curious about the thoughts of anybody else who checks it out.i looked into him and he's got a video called 'the myth of systemic racism' so i didn't watch his content because i don't want youtube's algorithm force-feeding me alt-right propaganda.okay, my bad, that's not his video, he's just a guest speaker. in the video about the 'myth' of systemic racism. trying to avoid getting algorithmed is tricky.</quote>Also IMO you are doing yourself a disservice by making such broad judgements of a person off of video titles alone, though I give you credit for distinguishing a video he appears in where he very well might be challenging or debating the premise of the video title with him necessarily believing the video title as his claimed philosophy.I'm curious, based on your response to him, who is somebody you'd consider to be politically independent? So a non-democrat who you'd consider independent and not "alt-right" or "far-right"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KTG2 05/31/23 9:29:28 AM #90:	Shut the fuck up --- ADHD/ASD/Non-Binary. they/them. I stream on twitch. Your hateful comments will be used as fuel for my LGBT conversion engine. <cite>KTG2 posted [p:973831657] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Shut the fuck up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 05/31/23 9:29:36 AM #91:	Your mom's an interesting political discussion. --- "Kill everyone now! Condone first degree murder! Advocate cannibalism! Eat <poop>! Filth is my politics! Filth is my life!" - Babs Johnson <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:973831658] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Your mom's an interesting political discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kitt 05/31/23 9:36:06 AM #92:	Sea Lions are adorable and shouldn't be lumped in with jokers like TC. --- What is up, my sister!? https://m.imgur.com/pmc9XsI https://m.imgur.com/hfzvdPe <cite>Kitt posted [p:973831752] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Sea Lions are adorable and shouldn't be lumped in with jokers like TC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlveinFencer 05/31/23 9:37:47 AM #93:	Anybody got a Cliff Notes version? --- Boku wa Dhaos wo taosu! This board is a daycare with no adults.-HoshinoKatta <cite>AlveinFencer posted [p:973831780] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Anybody got a Cliff Notes version?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 05/31/23 9:41:12 AM #94:	emblem-man posted... Similar opinions I'd say. Oh I'm definitely played out with campus politics stuff from elite colleges that ends up on the national politics discourse. Sick of hearing about it? Do you also think it's largely overblown? And/or it's just not something that you've encountered in your life at all? Skimmed and stopped at a section where Coleman said his friend from college would take down his Reagan poster after the first couple dates, but then would bring it back up if he thought the date was special and serious. Like ok . I'm guessing the topic during that section was about people being too "politicized" You might be doing them a disservice by assuming their claim, but idk I think that anecdote is kind of interesting, don't you think? I pretty strongly dislike Reagan because a lot of horrible modern problems are downstream from his empowering of big capitalism, but the idea of somebody who is legitimately a fanboy of Reagan hiding his picture out of fear during dating is interesting. Is he wrong to hide that if he does really identify with Reagan? Is he being reasonable hiding that because almost all dates would react badly? Aside from "Reagan bad" there isn't a clean right answer to that story. It might point to an uptightness in modern society that wasn't there before. But what specifically does that uptightness mean for society and where does it come from are also interesting questions IMO. You don't find the idea that a person might be deeply afraid about being judged on politics when dating to be interesting? Unwarranted or not it's interesting that for some people they are really scared of such things, IMO. What do you think? Do you think all of this politics/culture/uptightness and everything is just a big nothing burger? Or like maybe it does point to some underlying stuff but you've already heard a bunch of conversations and so like why bother with another one? It seems to me like you don't find it as interesting as me, not sure why. And you don't have to elaborate further if you don't want to, but I would be curious to hear your further thoughts. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif <cite>joe40001 posted [p:973831834] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>emblem-man posted... </cite><quote>Similar opinions I'd say.Oh I'm definitely played out with campus politics stuff from elite colleges that ends up on the national politics discourse. </quote>Sick of hearing about it? Do you also think it's largely overblown? And/or it's just not something that you've encountered in your life at all?<quote>Skimmed and stopped at a section where Coleman said his friend from college would take down his Reagan poster after the first couple dates, but then would bring it back up if he thought the date was special and serious. Like ok . I'm guessing the topic during that section was about people being too "politicized"</quote>You might be doing them a disservice by assuming their claim, but idk I think that anecdote is kind of interesting, don't you think? I pretty strongly dislike Reagan because a lot of horrible modern problems are downstream from his empowering of big capitalism, but the idea of somebody who is legitimately a fanboy of Reagan hiding his picture out of fear during dating is interesting. Is he wrong to hide that if he does really identify with Reagan? Is he being reasonable hiding that because almost all dates would react badly? Aside from "Reagan bad" there isn't a clean right answer to that story. It might point to an uptightness in modern society that wasn't there before. But what specifically does that uptightness mean for society and where does it come from are also interesting questions IMO. You don't find the idea that a person might be deeply afraid about being judged on politics when dating to be interesting? Unwarranted or not it's interesting that for some people they are really scared of such things, IMO.What do you think? Do you think all of this politics/culture/uptightness and everything is just a big nothing burger? Or like maybe it does point to some underlying stuff but you've already heard a bunch of conversations and so like why bother with another one?It seems to me like you don't find it as interesting as me, not sure why. And you don't have to elaborate further if you don't want to, but I would be curious to hear your further thoughts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fluttershy 05/31/23 9:43:29 AM #95:	Also IMO you are doing yourself a disservice by making such broad judgements of a person i made no judgment of him as a person. i told you i didn't want youtube railroading me into propaganda. but also, ick, dude. --- https://imgur.com/a7zbPmp.gif <cite>Fluttershy posted [p:973831863] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Also IMO you are doing yourself a disservice by making such broad judgements of a personi made no judgment of him as a person. i told you i didn't want youtube railroading me into propaganda.but also, ick, dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/31/23 9:47:06 AM #96:	joe40001 posted... You and I fundamentally see things differently. Probably the greatest compliment I've ever received from you. It's not "my idea" that I'm aiming to "impress upon them". It's "an idea" that I am sharing with them, they can challenge it, consider it, accept, reject, or augment it. What they do and how they respond isn't part of my agenda because both our agendas should be just getting as close to the truth as possible. So there's no salesmen and no customers. Nobody owns ideas, ideas are articulations of perceptions of objective reality and we exchange them so that we can all come closer to a better shared understanding of objective reality. All this is saying is "I'm not responsible for the things I post." It's trying to pretend that you as a person are not a factor in these discussions. That you exist outside of them. But this has never been true for any of us and certainly not you. You did not pick this video at random. You selected it and presented it to us. You as a person are a part of this process. As people in this topic are wasting no time in reminding you. If you want your own history as a person to be completely detached from the discussion, post under a different account. --- CyricZ He/him http://twitch.tv/cyricz42 <cite>CyricZ posted [p:973831919] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>You and I fundamentally see things differently.</quote>Probably the greatest compliment I've ever received from you.<quote>It's not "my idea" that I'm aiming to "impress upon them". It's "an idea" that I am sharing with them, they can challenge it, consider it, accept, reject, or augment it. What they do and how they respond isn't part of my agenda because both our agendas should be just getting as close to the truth as possible. So there's no salesmen and no customers. Nobody owns ideas, ideas are articulations of perceptions of objective reality and we exchange them so that we can all come closer to a better shared understanding of objective reality.</quote>All this is saying is "I'm not responsible for the things I post."It's trying to pretend that you as a person are not a factor in these discussions. That you exist outside of them.But this has never been true for any of us and certainly not you.You did not pick this video at random. You selected it and presented it to us.You as a person are a part of this process.As people in this topic are wasting no time in reminding you.If you want your own history as a person to be completely detached from the discussion, post under a different account.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 05/31/23 9:51:01 AM #97:	joe40001 posted... What do you think? Do you think all of this politics/culture/uptightness and everything is just a big nothing burger? Or like maybe it does point to some underlying stuff but you've already heard a bunch of conversations and so like why bother with another one? I'm sure it turned out well for LGBT and Jewish people in Germany trying to treat politics like a nothingburger in the 1930's <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:973831976] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>What do you think? Do you think all of this politics/culture/uptightness and everything is just a big nothing burger? Or like maybe it does point to some underlying stuff but you've already heard a bunch of conversations and so like why bother with another one?</quote>I'm sure it turned out well for LGBT and Jewish people in Germany trying to treat politics like a nothingburger in the 1930's </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 05/31/23 9:55:26 AM #98:	Fluttershy posted... Also IMO you are doing yourself a disservice by making such broad judgements of a person i made no judgment of him as a person. i told you i didn't want youtube railroading me into propaganda. Fair enough. I apologize. I should have probably phrased that better. But I wouldn't be so worried about youtube propagandizing you. The feed is based around what you like, it's not like it's going to push an agenda on you. The only way you'll get recommended videos by somebody is if you like a lot of their or similar content. I watch all kinds of stuff on youtube, and my feed does pretty good on settling down on only the stuff I consistently like/watch. Even so, if you are that worried you can also watch in incognito or just delete it from your watch history afterward. Also, I am legitimately curious, is there anybody you'd name who you'd think of as politically independent but not far-right or alt-right? Or in other words, somebody you've seen challenge the left on some things but not a person you'd call far-right or alt-right? Do you think Jon Stewart is alt-right? --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif <cite>joe40001 posted [p:973832056] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Fluttershy posted... </cite><quote>Also IMO you are doing yourself a disservice by making such broad judgements of a personi made no judgment of him as a person. i told you i didn't want youtube railroading me into propaganda.</quote>Fair enough. I apologize. I should have probably phrased that better.But I wouldn't be so worried about youtube propagandizing you. The feed is based around what you like, it's not like it's going to push an agenda on you. The only way you'll get recommended videos by somebody is if you like a lot of their or similar content. I watch all kinds of stuff on youtube, and my feed does pretty good on settling down on only the stuff I consistently like/watch.Even so, if you are that worried you can also watch in incognito or just delete it from your watch history afterward.Also, I am legitimately curious, is there anybody you'd name who you'd think of as politically independent but not far-right or alt-right?Or in other words, somebody you've seen challenge the left on some things but not a person you'd call far-right or alt-right?Do you think Jon Stewart is alt-right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 05/31/23 9:56:24 AM #99:	joe40001 posted... Sick of hearing about it? Do you also think it's largely overblown? And/or it's just not something that you've encountered in your life at all? Yes in think it's largely overblown. I don't think it's something most people encounter in daily life and I think the discourse ends up creating unnecessary fear and chilling effect in some people about how "you can't say this in 2023", etc. joe40001 posted... You might be doing them a disservice by assuming their claim, but idk I think that anecdote is kind of interesting, don't you think? I pretty strongly dislike Reagan because a lot of horrible modern problems are downstream from his empowering of big capitalism, but the idea of somebody who is legitimately a fanboy of Reagan hiding his picture out of fear during dating is interesting. Is he wrong to hide that if he does really identify with Reagan? Is he being reasonable hiding that because almost all dates would react badly? If a date sees the poster and immediately drops him because she doesn't think a Reagan fanboy has opinions or societal thoughts she finds valuable I don't really have an issue with that. That's what dating is..finding out who you are compatible with and who has certain values you agree with. It ultimately depends on what the exact opinions she thinks he has. Like, should she ask him and confirm her suspicions? Sure, it's good to not assume too much all at once. And as I mentioned above, chilling effect. He now thinks every date is going to be someone who even cares in the first place, and now he's going to extraordinary steps to hide it. joe40001 posted... You don't find the idea that a person might be deeply afraid about being judged on politics when dating to be interesting? Unwarranted or not it's interesting that for some people they are really scared of such things, IMO. What is wrong with judging someone based on their politics and idea of local, state, and national policies? Could I date someone who agrees with some conservative ideas about taxation or the importance of local and state policies? Sure. Them wanting a lower capital gains tax and me wanting a higher capital gains tax is not a red flag. Could I date someone who is a modern day republican and thinks immigrants are a scourge on the country? NO!!! Does me saying no mean I'm judging someone on their politics? What counts as politics? So to answer your question, I think it's good that people date based on compatibility and acknowledgment of shared important values, even if those values are about politics and policies. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:973832065] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>Sick of hearing about it? Do you also think it's largely overblown? And/or it's just not something that you've encountered in your life at all?</quote>Yes in think it's largely overblown. I don't think it's something most people encounter in daily life and I think the discourse ends up creating unnecessary fear and chilling effect in some people about how "you can't say this in 2023", etc.joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>You might be doing them a disservice by assuming their claim, but idk I think that anecdote is kind of interesting, don't you think?I pretty strongly dislike Reagan because a lot of horrible modern problems are downstream from his empowering of big capitalism, but the idea of somebody who is legitimately a fanboy of Reagan hiding his picture out of fear during dating is interesting. Is he wrong to hide that if he does really identify with Reagan? Is he being reasonable hiding that because almost all dates would react badly?</quote>If a date sees the poster and immediately drops him because she doesn't think a Reagan fanboy has opinions or societal thoughts she finds valuable I don't really have an issue with that. That's what dating is..finding out who you are compatible with and who has certain values you agree with. It ultimately depends on what the exact opinions she thinks he has. Like, should she ask him and confirm her suspicions? Sure, it's good to not assume too much all at once.And as I mentioned above, chilling effect. He now thinks every date is going to be someone who even cares in the first place, and now he's going to extraordinary steps to hide it.joe40001 posted... </cite><quote>You don't find the idea that a person might be deeply afraid about being judged on politics when dating to be interesting? Unwarranted or not it's interesting that for some people they are really scared of such things, IMO.</quote>What is wrong with judging someone based on their politics and idea of local, state, and national policies? Could I date someone who agrees with some conservative ideas about taxation or the importance of local and state policies? Sure. Them wanting a lower capital gains tax and me wanting a higher capital gains tax is not a red flag.Could I date someone who is a modern day republican and thinks immigrants are a scourge on the country? NO!!! Does me saying no mean I'm judging someone on their politics? What counts as politics? So to answer your question, I think it's good that people date based on compatibility and acknowledgment of shared important values, even if those values are about politics and policies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 05/31/23 9:58:07 AM #100:	Moment of silence for all the 261 expats that have no idea what they're about to do --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:973832085] in I thought ... [t:80461363]...</cite> <quote>Moment of silence for all the 261 expats that have no idea what they're about to do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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