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NatsuSama
05/24/23 12:46:12 PM
#51:


kirbymuncher posted...
I think part of the issue here is that most scenes do not need a great delivery, and also that most existing scenes already do not have a great delivery.
That's irrelevant to what my post is saying though.

My post isnt discussing whether I think AI will take VA roles.

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HornyLevel
05/24/23 12:47:08 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/5/3/AAW_B8AAEgap.jpg

https://www.avclub.com/obi-wan-kenobi-vader-voice-ai-generated-james-earl-jone-1849577418

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Questionmarktarius
05/24/23 12:49:30 PM
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kirbymuncher posted...
you don't need to be a literary master to replicate or even improve on this, lol

Well, i mean, it's basically this anyway:
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deanshow
05/24/23 12:49:40 PM
#54:


I would hope not as a VA, but the industry is shady as shit and will cheap out, so probably. No matter how fake it sounds, if the studios want to save money they will. I despise the AI everything, techbro stance people are taking nowadays.

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Trickfinger
05/24/23 12:56:24 PM
#55:


kirbymuncher posted...
you don't need to be a literary master to replicate or even improve on this, lol
Lol, this Natsu dude is just arguing for no reason. He knows he's wrong.

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NatsuSama
05/24/23 1:00:36 PM
#56:


Trickfinger posted...
Lol, this Natsu dude is just arguing for no reason. He knows he's wrong.
I know no such thing lol.

But I get the bravado performance is what you need of everyone agreeing with your bubble.

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Trickfinger
05/24/23 1:13:56 PM
#57:


NatsuSama posted...
I know no such thing lol.

But I get the bravado performance is what you need of everyone agreeing with your bubble.
Or , you're just wrong as fuck and now getting butt hurt because everyone is starting to call you out.

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kirbymuncher
05/24/23 1:16:45 PM
#59:


NatsuSama posted...
My post isnt discussing whether I think AI will take VA roles.
I guess now that I read all your posts again this is true, though considering the title of the thread you posted in it's a pretty reasonable assumption to make.

Though I'm also of the opinion that it will be sounding fairly authentic in the near future, there have been massive recent AI advancements that show little sign of slowing down

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NatsuSama
05/24/23 1:25:56 PM
#60:


Trickfinger posted...
Or , you're just wrong as fuck and now getting butt hurt because everyone is starting to call you out.
You are showing a lot of delusion. Everyone isn't calling me out. Just you thinking you are calling someone out.

But again, you seem like the type who definitely falls into the trap of fallacy in numbers. You are even fabricating entire scenarios now.

You proclaiming someone is wrong, and even theoretically anyone jumping in to agree =/= facts.

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UnfairRepresent
05/24/23 1:27:15 PM
#61:


VampireCoyote posted...
Yes because it will be cheap and capitalism


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Smashingpmkns
05/24/23 1:31:24 PM
#62:


It doesn't really matter whether or not AI will be able to eventually get to a point where it's 1:1 with a human performance (though it never will), productions will not want to fuck around with that sort of tech in such a manner that it will put VAs out of a job. Production would be an absolute nightmare, and you'd have to introduce an entirely new position like "AI Voice Acting programmer" or whatever and also pay them appropriately, which would fuck up entire workflows in the industry. It doesn't make sense.

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R_Jackal
05/24/23 1:37:10 PM
#63:


Either way, I intend to vote with my wallet even if I'll be left behind. I won't be supporting projects using AI for voice/artistic purposes in any capacity. Not like I watch much TV/Movies anyway, if I have to watch even less it won't be any skin off my nose.

But in reality: Capitalism will always side with whatever nets them the most money, so it'll likely shift on a project-to-project basis.
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Son_Of_Spam
05/24/23 4:33:18 PM
#64:


The irony I see in this AI tech is with businesses trying to replace workers with it it will eventually just lead to consumers replacing the businesses. If someone can make a blockbuster-grade movie at home and put it online for free with AI why pay Hollywood to do it?

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Trickfinger
05/24/23 4:47:57 PM
#65:


Son_Of_Spam posted...
The irony I see in this AI tech is with businesses trying to replace workers with it it will eventually just lead to consumers replacing the businesses. If someone can make a blockbuster-grade movie at home and put it online for free with AI why pay Hollywood to do it?
Well yeah.

Still means people are out of work.

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Kaiser1one
05/24/23 4:49:10 PM
#66:


only for a part that requires a monotone voice that has 1 state of range. Cause that's where AI mostly is right now. It's good mimicry but it has next to no range capability.

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LinkPizza
05/24/23 4:50:13 PM
#67:


Some of the best lines (or at least some famous lines) from certain movies were improvised Usually because people forgot the actual line So, If AI takes over, well lose that

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voldothegr8
05/24/23 6:05:56 PM
#68:


LinkPizza posted...
Some of the best lines (or at least some famous lines) from certain movies were improvised Usually because people forgot the actual line So, If AI takes over, well lose that
Eh, I don't think animation works like that.

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LinkPizza
05/24/23 7:23:10 PM
#69:


voldothegr8 posted...
Eh, I don't think animation works like that.

Im not sure, tbh That said, I could see someone easily messing up a line, but them keeping it in if they like it better

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asdf8562
05/24/23 7:51:18 PM
#70:


LinkPizza posted...
Im not sure, tbh That said, I could see someone easily messing up a line, but them keeping it in if they like it better
That is correct. (Depending on the studio and director).

Voice actors sometimes are able to change lines (intentionally or unintentionally), and they just role with it because they love it.

https://youtu.be/feEW8p3Q5ow
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Trickfinger
05/24/23 10:46:52 PM
#71:


Kaiser1one posted...
only for a part that requires a monotone voice that has 1 state of range. Cause that's where AI mostly is right now. It's good mimicry but it has next to no range capability.
Another one who has no idea what he's talking about. Even the most basic A. I. voice sites have sliders for tone and intonation.

Not to mention the fact that you're only thinking of text to speech Ai and not the AI which just takes somebody's voice and places it over somebody else's vocals. Doesn't need "range".

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LinkPizza
05/24/23 10:49:47 PM
#72:


asdf8562 posted...
That is correct. (Depending on the studio and director).

Voice actors sometimes are able to change lines (intentionally or unintentionally), and they just role with it because they love it.

https://youtu.be/feEW8p3Q5ow

Yeah. And if we go to AI generated VAs, you can say goodbye to all those moments

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Dark_Arbron
05/24/23 10:50:41 PM
#73:


R_Jackal posted...
Game development isn't anywhere near as expensive as it's touted. Most of the budget is blown on advertisement,

Dont forget the endless (and pointless) pursuit of graphics.

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asdf8562
05/25/23 8:57:27 AM
#74:


LinkPizza posted...
Yeah. And if we go to AI generated VAs, you can say goodbye to all those moments
Agreed.

AI may or may not take some jobs, but it will never be as great as real voice actors who are great. Voice actors with great improv, great acting skills, great range of emotion that doesn't feel fake, etc.
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Kaiser1one
05/25/23 12:01:34 PM
#75:


Trickfinger posted...
Another one who has no idea what he's talking about. Even the most basic A. I. voice sites have sliders for tone and intonation.

Not to mention the fact that you're only thinking of text to speech Ai and not the AI which just takes somebody's voice and places it over somebody else's vocals. Doesn't need "range".

'm aware of the sliders that can alter all that. But, the voice still sounds monotone. It lacks the range a human can pull off.

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Derwood
05/25/23 12:03:40 PM
#76:


Kaiser1one posted...
'm aware of the sliders that can alter all that. But, the voice still sounds monotone. It lacks the range a human can pull off.

Now. Give it a few years. AI is growing at an exponential rate
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Sphyx
05/25/23 12:05:47 PM
#77:


Yes.

And the things they are replaced in will suck ass.

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Derwood
05/25/23 12:06:09 PM
#78:


Sphyx posted...
Yes.

And the things they are replaced in will suck ass.

Or you won't even know
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Sphyx
05/25/23 12:11:36 PM
#79:


"Hmm, I know this show sucks, but I'm unable to tell why"

This would make no sense.

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Derwood
05/25/23 12:13:48 PM
#80:


Sphyx posted...
"Hmm, I know this show sucks, but I'm unable to tell why"

This would make no sense.

I mean, shows suck now.
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asdf8562
05/25/23 12:27:54 PM
#81:


Derwood posted...
Now. Give it a few years. AI is growing at an exponential rate
Doesn't matter how many years we give it. It's not going to pull off the same thing great human voice actors pull off. Just bad ones.

I have no doubt AI will be used for some productions. But being used doesn't equate to everyone thinking it'll match humans. I'm also sure we can find saps easily impressed with AI especially given how some have orgasms at the thought of AI and the metaverse.
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Derwood
05/25/23 12:51:03 PM
#82:


But who thought that AI could sortie term papers or poetry or create art?

Most of you are naively underestimating what AI could do
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Trickfinger
05/25/23 12:57:52 PM
#83:


Derwood posted...
But who thought that AI could sortie term papers or poetry or create art?

Most of you are naively underestimating what AI could do
Honestly, I think some are being intentionally obtuse out of fear, which is the only reason I'm letting it slide

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asdf8562
05/25/23 1:04:16 PM
#84:


Derwood posted...
But who thought that AI could sortie term papers or poetry or create art?

Most of you are naively underestimating what AI could do
Logically speaking It's not crazy it can create those things. Writing a paper or poetry isn't rocket science. Writing those things =/= being able to voice those things out loud in a convincing emotional way.

Similar to how two people can say the same exact sentence, but both convey wildly two different sentences. Where one can come off as drop dead hilarious while another saying the same sentence can leave an audience baffled. It's not particularly what someone says all the time, but how they say it.

As for the naivete you speak of, we can say the same for you and the grandiose vision you have of AI matching human emotions and actually sounding genuine to other humans who don't lack EQ.
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LinkPizza
05/25/23 1:05:39 PM
#85:


Derwood posted...
Or you won't even know

You might. It like when I have a drink where something is off about the taste, and realize its zero sugar Maybe youll hear something off with the voice, but wont know what it is In that case, even though you dont know whats wrong, the AI voice made the show suck

Derwood posted...
But who thought that AI could sortie term papers or poetry or create art?

Most of you are naively underestimating what AI could do

People know AI could do it Anyone can write poems or make art Doesnt mean its good, though

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YellowSUV
05/25/23 9:22:55 PM
#86:


Derwood posted...
But who thought that AI could sortie term papers or poetry or create art?

Most of you are naively underestimating what AI could do

This. Imagine going back 10 years in time and telling people that the speech in this video, along with the voice, and images are all AI created. Most people would call bullshit.

https://youtu.be/QZVXmtzTbmE?t=26

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R_Jackal
05/26/23 8:46:02 AM
#87:


Derwood posted...
But who thought that AI could sortie term papers or poetry or create art?

Most of you are naively underestimating what AI could do
No, most people are just weighing the competency of AI... Which is to say it's incredibly incompetent at pretty much anything but the most simple tasks without heavy guidance.

It can create poetry, but for every single one that sounds good, there are likely thousands that are awful. Which is fine, it's a process. The difference is that when a person has a hard time, it's usually just costing us some food and drink, maybe something generating background noise. When an AI does it, it helps rocket us towards a water crisis and a dead planet.
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kirbymuncher
05/26/23 8:50:21 AM
#88:


R_Jackal posted...
The difference is that when a person has a hard time, it's usually just costing us some food and drink, maybe something generating background noise. When an AI does it, it helps rocket us towards a water crisis and a dead planet.
Not totally sure what you're trying to say here but isn't this more a reflection of the amount of power given to humans vs ai rather than anything to do with their actual abillities

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R_Jackal
05/26/23 8:59:12 AM
#89:


kirbymuncher posted...
Not totally sure what you're trying to say here but isn't this more a reflection of the amount of power given to humans vs ai rather than anything to do with their actual abillities
They relate to each other. The only way AI will improve from here on out is to consume more, even if optimizations happen it'll likely barely balance out. It's an infantile tech that was belted out to make a quick buck and nothing else. It's about as useful as the Blockchain. Again.
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kirbymuncher
05/26/23 9:13:51 AM
#90:


Just because most companies are probably a bit too eager to entrust large amounts of control to AI doesn't mean that they couldn't trial run it in lower stakes environments instead. well actually it sort of does because then all the companies that use it in higher stakes environments will totally push them out of the market and they will cease to exist. so turning the AI back off might be harder than it seems

R_Jackal posted...
It's an infantile tech that was belted out to make a quick buck and nothing else.
first half maybe, second half definitely not, and this sort of few in general is so shortsighted it makes you look like you have no idea what you're talking about <_<

even currently, AI empowers a lot of people and companies in our world (for better or for worse) and it's only going to get more extreme from here as AI tech and development has been in overdrive recently

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GhostFaceLeaks
05/26/23 9:15:53 AM
#91:


Expect there to be less and less human jobs as time goes on. There will be no more cooks, no more therapists, no more human cops, no more voice actors, and even Youtube and Twitch will phase out their content creators with AI.

This is the future.

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R_Jackal
05/26/23 9:24:06 AM
#92:


kirbymuncher posted...
Just because most companies are probably a bit too eager to entrust large amounts of control to AI doesn't mean that they couldn't trial run it in lower stakes environments instead. well actually it sort of does because then all the companies that use it in higher stakes environments will totally push them out of the market and they will cease to exist. so turning the AI back off might be harder than it seems

first half maybe, second half definitely not, and this sort of few in general is so shortsighted it makes you look like you have no idea what you're talking about <_<

even currently, AI empowers a lot of people and companies in our world (for better or for worse) and it's only going to get more extreme from here as AI tech and development has been in overdrive recently
AI currently empowers lazy or talentless people, honestly. Or people that want less overhead.

Not talking about the future at all, talking about the present. How we've put out AI thrown no-assed into the wild has kneecapped itself and us essentially.

To be precise, I want AI. But what we've done with it is the laziest most money grubbing way to put it out we could've done.
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kirbymuncher
05/26/23 9:27:43 AM
#93:


R_Jackal posted...
AI currently empowers lazy or talentless people, honestly. Or people that want less overhead.
If you need something done and AI can do 90% of the quality of a human at 5% of the price and 100x faster, it would be dumb not to use it for all but the most critical applications. that's just how businesses work. it's basically suicide


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kirbymuncher
05/26/23 9:29:42 AM
#94:


R_Jackal posted...
To be precise, I want AI. But what we've done with it is the laziest most money grubbing way to put it out we could've done.
I'm a little curious what other way you think it could have been done?

It's a very technical research subject that requires significant amounts of computing power, data collection and analysis, etc etc. It's not something you can just make in your garage on the cheap, AI development really does require a significant investment into it to get anything useful back out. If there was no "money grubbing" nothing would ever get done because it would have no funding

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LinkPizza
05/26/23 9:56:47 AM
#95:


Another problem with AI is its going to cause a bunch of problems And the people creating AI knows that But nobody is thinking of solutions They figure they can figure it out when we get there But by then, its too late

GhostFaceLeaks posted...
Expect there to be less and less human jobs as time goes on. There will be no more cooks, no more therapists, no more human cops, no more voice actors, and even Youtube and Twitch will phase out their content creators with AI.

This is the future.

No true Even with AI, there will be people who want to cook, or who would rather talk to a human therapist The problem is they will probably be rare and harder to find Some people hate AI, and will avoid anything to do with them, as well So, there will still be people to do some stuff, but not as many

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--Zero-
05/26/23 9:58:09 AM
#96:


Nah Hollywood animation studios have a hard on for hiring celebs not actual voice actors for their characters.

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Ryven
05/26/23 10:00:48 AM
#97:


AlveinFencer posted...
I mean...some folks say the same about current voice acting, so I'd expect to see more A.I. voiced extras in the near future.


IMO blame for that goes to the director and the casting agencies.

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R_Jackal
05/26/23 10:14:55 AM
#98:


kirbymuncher posted...
I'm a little curious what other way you think it could have been done?

It's a very technical research subject that requires significant amounts of computing power, data collection and analysis, etc etc. It's not something you can just make in your garage on the cheap, AI development really does require a significant investment into it to get anything useful back out. If there was no "money grubbing" nothing would ever get done because it would have no funding
Not my problem to figure out, but I can call it as it is. I don't need to be a player to understand the NFL. Don't need to be a game dev to know when one is bad.

BUT if I were to take a shot I would started with small scale specialized models for advertising research, then medical/military research and expand to other applications in the field, then advance to a specialized clerical/productivity model. As for for how to start. The chatbot for general use would follow.
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kirbymuncher
05/26/23 10:45:13 AM
#99:


R_Jackal posted...
BUT if I were to take a shot I would started with small scale specialized models for advertising research, then medical/military research and expand to other applications in the field, then advance to a specialized clerical/productivity model. As for for how to start. The chatbot for general use would follow.
All these things certainly exist already as well, just that you don't really see them if you're not in the field. Especially military use which I have no evidence of at all and it would definitely be under some security restrictions but it's just crazy to think they aren't doing something with it since the potential is just so vast they'd be foolish to pass it up.

I see where you're coming from a little better now though, you basically think it would have been better with a more gradual / structured rollout of AI. I don't think it's really realistic without some heavy restrictions from the government, because there's no other way to get so many disparate groups to sync up, but I guess it's not impossible. Though personally I'm kinda of the opinion that the general use chatbot has the least potential for being destructive, because it is made available to the public at large rather than kept in the hands of a few behind closed doors. So if we're going from your list I think I would have liked to see it go in the exact opposite direction lol

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R_Jackal
05/26/23 11:17:02 AM
#101:


kirbymuncher posted...
All these things certainly exist already as well, just that you don't really see them if you're not in the field. Especially military use which I have no evidence of at all and it would definitely be under some security restrictions but it's just crazy to think they aren't doing something with it since the potential is just so vast they'd be foolish to pass it up.

I see where you're coming from a little better now though, you basically think it would have been better with a more gradual / structured rollout of AI. I don't think it's really realistic without some heavy restrictions from the government, because there's no other way to get so many disparate groups to sync up, but I guess it's not impossible. Though personally I'm kinda of the opinion that the general use chatbot has the least potential for being destructive, because it is made available to the public at large rather than kept in the hands of a few behind closed doors. So if we're going from your list I think I would have liked to see it go in the exact opposite direction lol
I know they already exist. My point is, it's a lot better to roll out like this than flop it out everywhere without a care about it and then beg for legislation/regulation on the field after. None of this should be a surprise, and if it is, these people making the AI are just a disgrace or general waste of flesh. They could've taken the steps beforehand, but chose dollars over men.
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Trickfinger
05/26/23 11:59:14 AM
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Nah Hollywood animation studios have a hard on for hiring celebs not actual voice actors for their characters.
Animation studios don't have anything to do with casting, chief.

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