Current Events > when did trans issues start becoming well known and widespread?

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i know there was a 70s exploitation film on the subject that was as apprioriate as could be for the era, somewhat (very) sensionalized though. i distinctly remember watching a film in 2006 high school anatomy and them saying this was such an extremely rare occurence (like less than 1% of the population) i understand thats probably outdated due to unreported cases , but i wonder what happened medically and socially where the number is as high as 5% just for juveniles modern era.

Mid to late 2010s was when I started hearing about it regularly.

Trumble posted...

Mid to late 2010s was when I started hearing about it regularly.

that high school anatomy class movir in the 2000s was literally the first time i ever heard of the concept of gender dysphoria. that was senior year too. judging from the reactions of the class it seemed like nobody else knew what it was. just interesting how much times change in just one generation.kids know what trans means before middle school now it seems like

I didn't think I had others like me until one day America's Next Top Model played on the TV and there was a girl named Iris who was transgender.

I was like, "that's possible!?"

Later on, I saw a Discovery Health segment on people who sought to transistion.

Learned that it was a process to do so and me being scared of most medical procedures kinda wondered about it.

It was not that long ago I came out to my family. The only one who supported me was my mom but I haven't a clue where she ran off to when she abandoned the family.

I kinda wish she took me with her...

thousands of years ago when civilization formed

VampireCoyote posted...

thousands of years ago when civilization formed

which civilization?

DementedDurian posted...

I didn't think I had others like me until one day America's Next Top Model played on the TV and there was a girl named Iris who was transgender.

I was like, "that's possible!?"

Later on, I saw a Discovery Health segment on people who sought to transistion.

Learned that it was a process to do so and me being scared of most medical procedures kinda wondered about it.

It was not that long ago I came out to my family. The only one who supported me was my mom but I haven't a clue where she ran off to when she abandoned the family.

I kinda wish she took me with her...

damn hope everything goes well. sorry your family is unsupportive.

FelineCyborg posted...

which civilization?

The Zeal Kingdom.

September 2016

If you go by conspiracy theorists, somewhere right after Occupy Wall Street.

as far as the internet goes there was a big uptick in posting about it starting in around 2012. by 2016 or so i was hearing about it offline with a lot more regularity

s0nicfan posted...

If you go by conspiracy theorists, somewhere right after Occupy Wall Street.

what does that have to do with it?

FelineCyborg posted...

what does that have to do with it?

As the conspiracy goes, the idea was to distract people with identity politics so they'd stop going after banks:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/1/2/AABJX0AAEfTs.jpg

KanWan posted...

Ardhanarishvara

not sure if that counts....thats literally a god

s0nicfan posted...

As the conspiracy goes, the idea was to distract people with identity politics so they'd stop going after banks:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/1/2/AABJX0AAEfTs.jpg

that makes no sense. theres kids that are trans that were born after that now

When Republicans figured out they couldn't win Elections without Culture Wars and nobody cared about homosexuality anymore.

FelineCyborg posted...

that makes no sense. theres kids that are trans that were born after that now

The topic is about when trans issues became well known. Kids born AFTER trans issues became well known don't really factor into your question.

FelineCyborg posted...

what does that have to do with it?

The general gist is that the OWS (and related) movements were gaining a lot of traction and suddenly stopped as the modern "culture wars" began with mainstream media outlets starting to focus a lot on identity politics and terminally-online loudmouths and grifters. After the Panama Papers leaked, the Black Lives Matter movement started gaining considerable traction, though it existed years before with noticeably less sensationalized mainstream media coverage. The 2016 elections also muddied the water.

We're now at a point where practically everybody is becoming aware of the stranglehold authoritarian politicians and major banks/corporations/media giants have on nearly all facets of life, and both social media and mainstream media outlets are heavily focusing on issues relating to gender identity, fluidity and expression.

Every single time Americans have almost crossed the rubicon into realizing everything is fucked and that we can all come together to make positive change for the future, contentious social issues suddenly get magnified to a degree where middle/working class people get divided over their views. No matter how marginalized you are, or how privileged you are, we all need to come together and fight America's longest-lasting, worst enemy - greed.

Sandalorn posted...

When Republicans figured out they couldn't win Elections without Culture Wars and nobody cared about homosexuality anymore.

but theres been an undeniable uptick in people who identify as trans in the last 20 years. what does that have to do with politics? seems more like a social / medical phoenomena. trans as a thing was barely mentioned in 90s pop culture. there was cross dressing and drag but thats not really the same

The reason you don't see many trans boomers is because society was so hostile to them back then, a lot killed themselves or were forced to stay in the closet

Also, this is the reason why there is so little literature on LGBTQ now

The Forgotten History of the Worlds First Trans Clinic
The Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin would be a century old if it hadnt fallen victim to Nazi ideology
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/

Now look what political party is trying to legislate away LGBTQ these days.

trans as a general concept was becoming more well known as the internet spread further and further. It really started to gain momentum in the late 2000's to early 2010's, to the point where Caitlyn Jenner came out, and that was the catalyst that made it explode to where it is now

_Raich_ posted...

trans as a general concept was becoming more well known as the internet spread further and further. It really started to gain momentum in the late 2000's to early 2010's, to the point where Caitlyn Jenner came out, and that was the catalyst that made it explode to where it is now

its so weird shes a fox news shill now

Rexdragon125 posted...

The Forgotten History of the Worlds First Trans Clinic
The Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin would be a century old if it hadnt fallen victim to Nazi ideology
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/

this is the kind of interesting history tidbits i was looking for. thanks

Steven universe

I remember Steven Universe fans threatening to kill the creator of the series when she defended somebody that slightly altered the weight of one of the characters in fanart.

You don't need to distract americans to get them to stop going after banks, that sort of thing always ends up becoming too monolithic and impossible to change to hold the general populace's attention

ultimate_reaver posted...

You don't need to distract americans to get them to stop going after banks, that sort of thing always ends up becoming too monolithic and impossible to change to hold the general populace's attention

yea they couldve just started another war or something

There's also the Hijra in India.

When conservatives lost the gay marriage fight

MistyKnight posted...

When conservatives lost the gay marriage fight

I don't see the connection.

FelineCyborg posted...

which civilization?

literally the first one

VampireCoyote posted...

literally the first one

which....was.....?

FelineCyborg posted...

which....was.....?

fairly unique for the era

I associate it near the rise of Gamergate, so around 2013/2014ish.

VampireCoyote posted...

fairly unique for the era

i dont know what youre trying to say so im just going to ignore you

I became aware of trans people in my teens but public zeitgeist didn't seem to catch on until right after marriage equality passed. Conservatives then moved on to a new target to try to push back against.

Trans education is so fucking bad though by even nominal allies. Just saying "you don't need to have dysphoria to be trans" is like a fucking shocking revalation to some people.

CRON posted...

The general gist is that the OWS (and related) movements were gaining a lot of traction and suddenly stopped as the modern "culture wars" began with mainstream media outlets starting to focus a lot on identity politics and terminally-online loudmouths and grifters. After the Panama Papers leaked, the Black Lives Matter movement started gaining considerable traction, though it existed years before with noticeably less sensationalized mainstream media coverage. The 2016 elections also muddied the water.

We're now at a point where practically everybody is becoming aware of the stranglehold authoritarian politicians and major banks/corporations/media giants have on nearly all facets of life, and both social media and mainstream media outlets are heavily focusing on issues relating to gender identity, fluidity and expression.

Every single time Americans have almost crossed the rubicon into realizing everything is fucked and that we can all come together to make positive change for the future, contentious social issues suddenly get magnified to a degree where middle/working class people get divided over their views. No matter how marginalized you are, or how privileged you are, we all need to come together and fight America's longest-lasting, worst enemy - greed.

Definitely think there some truth to this. Activism was never so focused on the economy, living standards, Ceos, or bankers as much as it was in the OWS, even with all those things being far worse now

I didn't start hearing about it until around the mid-2010's, but that might have been a result of that being when I like, finished high school and started actually being exposed to more stuff.

Funnily enough, there was a trans kid in my high school and nobody seemed to care. I mean, I'm sure they had plenty of shit to go through, but it sure seemed to me like nobody cared.

KanWan posted...

You Googled to get the skinny on it and glimpsed over the origin of the thing? Why? Lol

because it takes 2 seconds to google something?

the internet falls between a weird line of "just google it" and "lol you used google"

FelineCyborg posted...

but theres been an undeniable uptick in people who identify as trans in the last 20 years. what does that have to do with politics? seems more like a social / medical phoenomena. trans as a thing was barely mentioned in 90s pop culture. there was cross dressing and drag but thats not really the same

No, my friend. There's been a big uptick in people who are starting to finally feel safe enough (or angry enough about the treatment they receive) to come out and loud on their existence.

The number of people who identify as trans (or would, if the vocabulary existed for it, back when) is apparent when you look back through other historical cultures that have recognized multiple identities beyond the binary most people are familiar with.

jayj350 posted...

I don't see the connection.

When it became culturally impractical or impossible for the Republicans to attack gay marriage anymore, they found another minority target that it was still acceptable to marginalize.

They need it to keep their base radicalized and voting for their regressive and hateful policies.

but theres been an undeniable uptick in people who identify as trans in the last 20 years. what does that have to do with politics? seems more like a social / medical phoenomena. trans as a thing was barely mentioned in 90s pop culture. there was cross dressing and drag but thats not really the same

So, as more minorities gain acceptance, other minorities come to light and risk themselves. There are effectively three types of LGBT+ people who lived during times in which it was prohibited

1. Those who knew and hid it.
2. Those who knew and didn't hide it (and got promptly punished for it)
3. Those who did not know they were because of a lack of information.

As it enters the zeitgeist and is passed around more often, people in category #3 start to become people in categories #1 and #2. As more rights and protections are passed the people in group #2 increase and people in group #1 decreases.

You can see this same effect in left-handedness for example.

DnDer posted...

When it became culturally impractical or impossible for the Republicans to attack gay marriage anymore, they found another minority target that it was still acceptable to marginalize.

They need it to keep their base radicalized and voting for their regressive and hateful policies.

I feel like I probably fit somewhere in the middle on this one, hard for me to take any one side really. It's like I am totally open to people having their sexuality and true identity, especially as I'm gay, but at the same time I am not totally on board with the far left on everything either.

I honestly think everything LGBT+ has attracted far too many extremists on both sides, at least from a political standpoint.

jayj350 posted...

but at the same time I am not totally on board with the far left on everything either

...such as?

A lot of people ITT never watched Ace Ventura

jayj350 posted...

has attracted far too many extremists on both sides

What kind of LGBT extremists are on the left? The ones who want LGBT people to experience the same exact rights cishet people get recognized with from birth?

What extremism? Because "both sides" is a pretty telltale phrase the downplays the horrors the right wants to commit without ever offering an actual example from the left.

tl;dr - it's never "both sides," and you shouldn't use that